PC>Consoles is A Lie

[x434343]

-cough- Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and can rarely present theirs without pissing someone off -cough-

I feel that both consoles and PC's are equal, and I'm a PC gamer. Here's why.

1. Consoles provide a point of less money, long shelf life, ease of use to the average gamer for one who doesn't have the time to spend loads of money for a new rig every year. They're useful for 5 to 7 years and are then released with a bulk upgrade. Hence why we can tell NES games are much much shorter and of a lower quality than Wii games, which are slightly better than Game Cube Games which are slightly better than N64 games which are slightly better than SNES games which are slightly better than NES games.

2. Console games always look their best because they can never be improved by any update. I mean, we could release Crysis to the 360 or PS3, but it'd probably only play on a high-medium setting. After 7 years, the new standard gets set.

3. PC games can be modded and skinned. Console games can't.

4. PC games can be bought online through digital distribution. Console games are limited to old arcade games and the most popular releases.

5. Consoles have, in my opinion, perfected third-person games. PC games have perfected real-time strategies. First-person is a middle ground: They're easy to play on the PC, but give an added controls challenge on consoles which many gamers prefer because of the rush that it's a skill not easily mastered.

 

[Crimsane]

Threads like this make me glad I'm actually employed and can afford to enjoy consoles and a gaming PC.

 

[DuplicateValue]

Oh dear. It's late.

Does anyone feel like summarising the OP for me? =]

I will, what I am essentially saying is I believe that console games can in fact be up to the same quality in terms of storytelling and over all gaming experience of a PC title.

Oh well in that case I completely agree with you.

Especially sice the PC and consoles have a lot of the same games anyway.
And many console games have brilliant stories, Resistance for example.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

So, that's it? You will not reply to my post, instead opting to say "I will not listen to what you say since nothing will change my mind, no matter how reasonable and logical it is."
Read several of the posts on this thread and you'll quickly realize your mistake, particularly the ones that discuss mods, the price of online play, graphics, and updates and patches. Oh, and I loved the one that talks about how you can get 360 controllers for the PC but you can't get a mouse+keyboard combo for a console.

That said, there are games which work better on a console (assuming the hypothetical PC doesn't have a gamepad). Racing games (assuming you don't play with a steering wheel), and fighting games.

And THAT said, consoles miss out on: TBS games, The Sims, MMORPG's, Flight Sims, RTS games and most indie/browser games, some of which are more fun than several big-name games.

Okay the reason I replied simply as thus was because I was kind of overwhelmed by how quickly this thread spun out of control, but I am a bit more level now so I can properly respond. Listen I don't care if one thing has 1080p or 1080i or about the direct 10x blah, blah, blah, and I most certainly don't care about mods/patches/online play. In fact I think you missed the point of my rant or whatever you wish to call it by a mile. I am saying that out of the box a console game has the potential to be just as great a game in terms of story telling, atmosphere, character development and gameplay as a PC game. In terms of price I really don't care because I would rather pay sixty dollars a game, rather than about a thousand dollars every fiscal quarter for a graphics card to play a game that costs less, so it balances out in the end. Also when it comes to graphics, there is only so far you can go for it to actually matter. The amount of enemies on screen at a time is one but when it comes to porting a game from comsole to PC it really isn't a great difference which is something I can never quite seem to get across to anyone it's like when I try to explain to my friend who is a MASSIVE PS3 fanboy and I keep trying to explain to him, I have both systems, I'd know if there was a difference, there isn't. He keeps going "Yes there is, yes there is, yes there is...".

 

[w-Jinksy]

if pc gamings so terible for you dont do it and stop starting flame wars incidentally pc gaming is very good, consoles dont allow me to play 40k mods and purge the shit out of hordes of orks and chaos various other things.

 

[CrafterMan]

Uh is it me or are these threads popping up like wildfire lately.

Getting on my tits nonetheless.

-Joe

 

[toapat]

When people say "Hack & Slash" they usually mean action-RPGs and other non-competitive, non-FPS-type action games.

Fighting games are a bit more than button mashing. Unfortunately, they're so arcane and require so much skill, precision, reflexes, and psychology to play competitively that nobody gives a damn about them anymore.

And I suppose we'll agree to disagree with platformers, but I'll note that third-person perspective with a mouse and keyboard is always just a little more awkward than on gamepad. So is 2D action, too. Even the best PC indie platformers were meant to be played with gamepads. (Here's lookin' at you, Cave Story [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_Story].)

i was thinking of mario and sonic 2/3 when i made the platformer comment.

ARPG=/=Hack&Slash. some of the best examples of this catagory are God of War, the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors/Warriors Orochi series, Soul Calibur, Tekken, and street fighter.

any non turnbased combat system RPG is actually an ARPG. the best examples of this series are WoW and Diablo.

the most complex catagory of game is the ARPSG: Action RolePlaying Strategy Game. this is a genre that was pioneered with the modding community for Starcraft 1's Aeon of Strife map set. Warcraft 3 then had the second version, Defense of the Ancients. the first official game in this Genre is the videogame Demigod. if any game is definitively a computer game, it is Demigod, as your mind would shatter if it was for console.

ARPSG makes some of the most complex WoW inteface setups look sane.

 

[ItsAPaul]

Every game released on PC and consoles is better on the PC (especially fps games), period. The only reason you don't see Halo 3 on PC is that you probably have a PC regardless of what games come out, but the same isn't true for consoles, so Microsoft has to sell the 360 somehow.

Also, I teehee at the notion of hack and slash being worse on PC. Either you're a troll or you're ignorant of what game practically created the bloody genre.

 

[Clashero]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

So, that's it? You will not reply to my post, instead opting to say "I will not listen to what you say since nothing will change my mind, no matter how reasonable and logical it is."
Read several of the posts on this thread and you'll quickly realize your mistake, particularly the ones that discuss mods, the price of online play, graphics, and updates and patches. Oh, and I loved the one that talks about how you can get 360 controllers for the PC but you can't get a mouse+keyboard combo for a console.

That said, there are games which work better on a console (assuming the hypothetical PC doesn't have a gamepad). Racing games (assuming you don't play with a steering wheel), and fighting games.

And THAT said, consoles miss out on: TBS games, The Sims, MMORPG's, Flight Sims, RTS games and most indie/browser games, some of which are more fun than several big-name games.

Okay the reason I replied simply as thus was because I was kind of overwhelmed by how quickly this thread spun out of control, but I am a bit more level now so I can properly respond. Listen I don't care if one thing has 1080p or 1080i or about the direct 10x blah, blah, blah, and I most certainly don't care about mods/patches/online play. In fact I think you missed the point of my rant or whatever you wish to call it by a mile. I am saying that out of the box a console game has the potential to be just as great a game in terms of story telling, atmosphere, character development and gameplay as a PC game. In terms of price I really don't care because I would rather pay sixty dollars a game, rather than about a thousand dollars every fiscal quarter for a graphics card to play a game that costs less, so it balances out in the end. Also when it comes to graphics, there is only so far you can go for it to actually matter. The amount of enemies on screen at a time is one but when it comes to porting a game from comsole to PC it really isn't a great difference which is something I can never quite seem to get across to anyone it's like when I try to explain to my friend who is a MASSIVE PS3 fanboy and I keep trying to explain to him, I have both systems, I'd know if there was a difference, there isn't. He keeps going "Yes there is, yes there is, yes there is...".

Well, there is a difference between the 360 and the PS3, but it's so minor, slight and petty that you have to look at side-by-side screenshots to notice.
And yes, a console game has the potential to be just about as good as a PC game, out of the box, in terms of content, story and gameplay. But that's something that is so obvious that it's not worth starting a thread about it.

Also, a thousand dollars every fiscal quarter? That's a load of money, I'm certainly not paying that for upgrades. In fact, I got a gaming laptop (more expensive than a desktop PC) for that money, and it runs games better than a 360.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

2/3. Perhaps but then their are things that can't be ported to a mouse and keyboard interface well either, like Overlord(I'm going to use Pikmin as a reference, since it's EXACTLY like Overlord only infinitely better).

Actually, considering Pikmin is, in effect, an isometric dungeon crawler, its roots are in games like Diablo and Titan Quest, both of which have well-made pet control systems using a Mouse and Keyboard.

Besides, who cares? PCs have mods, peripheral uses (Internet browsing, word processing, etc.) and superior graphics (Don't you dare go against this. If you do, you're either misinformed, ignorant, or just plain idiotic), at the cost of being more expensive and a bit harder to manage. Consoles are easier to get ahold of and use, as well as games being easier to acquire for them (at least, until they become old or abandonware.)

Ehh, perhaps but I was more reffering to the minion control system. Also I hated that blasted time limit in Pikmin 1 so Overlord is at least better in that respect. Also you get to be an evil overlord, which is awesome. I will go agains the PC graphics are uber supierior, because unless you actually have the system that can run that well. It won't be looking that much better anyways. Also as I've said before, mods mean jack to me, and so do a lot of other PC based abilities anyways.

 

[Enigmers]

PV>Consoles is not a lie, it's an opinion. Whatever the fuck you choose to play games on is your choice and you're a waste of space if you think that one is better than the other and you should voice your opinion on it at every opportunity.

Most of the time I prefer to play cross-platform games (e.g. HAWX) on the PC because they're ten bucks cheaper and money is kinda tight for me (being a jobless lazy teenager and all.)

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

i was thinking of mario and sonic 2/3 when i made the platformer comment.

ARPG=/=Hack&Slash. some of the best examples of this catagory are God of War, the Dynasty Warriors/Samurai Warriors/Warriors Orochi series, Soul Calibur, Tekken, and street fighter.

any non turnbased combat system RPG is actually an ARPG. the best examples of this series are WoW and Diablo.

the most complex catagory of game is the ARPSG: Action RolePlaying Strategy Game. this is a genre that was pioneered with the modding community for Starcraft 1's Aeon of Strife map set. Warcraft 3 then had the second version, Defense of the Ancients. the first official game in this Genre is the videogame Demigod. if any game is definitively a computer game, it is Demigod, as your mind would shatter if it was for console.

ARPSG makes some of the most complex WoW inteface setups look sane.

Hack and Slash and Fighters: Oh, the Musou games. Yes, those are probably the definitive games of that category. I will point out that Tekken, Soul Calibur, Street Fighter, BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, KoF, and other fighting games are decidedly not in the same genre. Not commercially, not for the purposes of practical play, and not in market appeal. Fighters are a whole different beast.

EDIT: As I said. Fighters are not button mashers. Especially against any player who's grown up with SFII. To believe otherwise, and to confuse them with the Dynasty Warrior-alikes, is a gross misconception.

And I've played quite a bit of DotA and Demigod. Especially the latter. Believe me, it could work on consoles. Just need to map mouse-click controls out to direct thumbstick control. The reason why it's click -to-move is entirely because it's based on mod maps for RTSes. If it were built from the ground up, it wouldn't necessarily have the same control scheme. The precision involved with unleashing the right abilities on the right targets at the right time has already been dealt with by various auto-lock systems used by different games. And if it were on console, it wouldn't necessarily have to be programmed with the limitations of a hotkey-and-mouse-targeting system used in Demigod. (And RTSes, for that matter.)

Controlling minions might prove a bit iffier, but control of your actual Demigod would be smoother and probably more intuitive. It'll feel more like you're controlling it instead of merely commanding it when and where to move or use special abilities.

Really, mouse-and-keyboard are only necessary when there's a great need for very fast precision. It's true in proper RTSes but not necessarily true in a mini-RTS/RPG like the DotA-alikes.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

only driving, music (GH and RockBand), Hack&slash, and sports games are good on console. everything else sucks on them when compared unbiasedly.

I think third person shooters and things like GTA seem to work well on consoles... Music games... ok... they can go either way... someone once said at my school "you know how stupid you would look with a plastic guitar sitting in front of a computer?"... well, truth is that you would look at stupid as you do with a plastic guitar sitting in front of a TV...

Also, I've heard that consoles were the reason for F.E.A.R. 2's graphics being downgraded and consoles are probably going to ruin Crysis 2 too...

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

So, that's it? You will not reply to my post, instead opting to say "I will not listen to what you say since nothing will change my mind, no matter how reasonable and logical it is."
Read several of the posts on this thread and you'll quickly realize your mistake, particularly the ones that discuss mods, the price of online play, graphics, and updates and patches. Oh, and I loved the one that talks about how you can get 360 controllers for the PC but you can't get a mouse+keyboard combo for a console.

That said, there are games which work better on a console (assuming the hypothetical PC doesn't have a gamepad). Racing games (assuming you don't play with a steering wheel), and fighting games.

And THAT said, consoles miss out on: TBS games, The Sims, MMORPG's, Flight Sims, RTS games and most indie/browser games, some of which are more fun than several big-name games.

Okay the reason I replied simply as thus was because I was kind of overwhelmed by how quickly this thread spun out of control, but I am a bit more level now so I can properly respond. Listen I don't care if one thing has 1080p or 1080i or about the direct 10x blah, blah, blah, and I most certainly don't care about mods/patches/online play. In fact I think you missed the point of my rant or whatever you wish to call it by a mile. I am saying that out of the box a console game has the potential to be just as great a game in terms of story telling, atmosphere, character development and gameplay as a PC game. In terms of price I really don't care because I would rather pay sixty dollars a game, rather than about a thousand dollars every fiscal quarter for a graphics card to play a game that costs less, so it balances out in the end. Also when it comes to graphics, there is only so far you can go for it to actually matter. The amount of enemies on screen at a time is one but when it comes to porting a game from comsole to PC it really isn't a great difference which is something I can never quite seem to get across to anyone it's like when I try to explain to my friend who is a MASSIVE PS3 fanboy and I keep trying to explain to him, I have both systems, I'd know if there was a difference, there isn't. He keeps going "Yes there is, yes there is, yes there is...".

Well, there is a difference between the 360 and the PS3, but it's so minor, slight and petty that you have to look at side-by-side screenshots to notice.
And yes, a console game has the potential to be just about as good as a PC game, out of the box, in terms of content, story and gameplay. But that's something that is so obvious that it's not worth starting a thread about it.

Also, a thousand dollars every fiscal quarter? That's a load of money, I'm certainly not paying that for upgrades. In fact, I got a gaming laptop (more expensive than a desktop PC) for that money, and it runs games better than a 360.

I wanted to make a thread about it. Also granted I was over exagerating about the 1000 dollars every fiscal quarter, but still, you do have to get better graphics cards more often than a new console if you want it looking significantly better, but as I said there is only so much weight that graphics actually can carry. I saw a friend of mine with the most powerful PC of anyone I know, and knowing him he likely had the graphics set to max, and honest to Jebus I couldn't tell what the hell was so much better.

 

[HentMas]

Bad way of stating your opinion

but anywhay, yeah, i think PC´s are better than console, why?? because in a PC you are in controll of the "wole" process, and if there is a new console out, you dont need to buy a new PC, you just upgrade

and well, lets face it, in a PC there is unlimited amount of content for certain games, you mentioned the "orange box" did you knew there are hundreds of hundreds of MODS bringing the game play of Portal up to a lot more hours???, or that there are additional misions for Half Life and all it´s episodes?? yes, its all "user content" but you would be surpriced by the sheer quality some of those lvls are, (not to mention the extent of thought and design put into those things)

in the console you buy the game and you cant do anything to it, nothing at all, you finished and smile of acomplishment, but in the PC finishing a game is only the beggining, did you knew that Left 4 Death started as a mod for another game of valve???

soooo yeah we console gamers can praise and love our consoles, but i would never even dream to say we are better than a PC, that would be like saying Motzart was good, but the robot programed to imitate him is better ( NOT ).

 

[Foxbat Flyer]

PC's are upgradeable and are able to DL extra content, it is therefore obvious that PC's are and always will be better... I play and enjoy playing on play stations but when it comes to the choice of getting the game on console or PC, i will go for PC... it is also cheaper to get it on PC

 

[pompom8volt]

First off I'd like to point that coming out of that giant wall of text I despise everything about you.
Now, I'd like to point out that PC gaming evolves in a more progressive way unlike console gaming which can take 5 years or so to get any upgraded graphics, plus even now most games that come out on both consoles and PC the PC has the better graphics.

Now let's cover controls. In certain kinds of game some people may prefer a controller over key board/mouse. You can plug a controller into your PC but that isn't really a huge victory for the PC, but what i'm going to say next is. With the muse and keyboard a whole new type of game becomes available. Sure, in racing games and shooters/ first person games some may find the game pad preferable, but how do you intend to play Starcraft or Diablo, or MMORPG? reall,y any game that uses a curser is off limits to consoles.

Now, onto the actual games. As I pointed out we have whole genres worth of games that consoles don't. PC gamers also have the benefit of the modding community and (typically) better online play.

I'm not saying i don't like consoles or even hand held. I do think we can co exist. A good game is a good game on any workable platform i just think that you can't deny that the PC is a superior platform of gaming, but as my friend pointed out "consoles are a more affordable, simpler way to game"

 

[JakBandit2208]

Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?

my thoughts exactly