PC>Consoles is A Lie

[Clashero]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

One thing that has, does, and always will get to me is when people throw out the old "PC are better than consoles" and many things to that effect, particularly mouse & keyboard vs. button pad, but I'll get to that later. The most prominent reason for this is that I am primarily a console gamer, and secondarily because I have been observing the evolution of console gaming these last couple years and have come to the conclusion that console gaming has become essentially up to par with PC gaming. I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.

Those games have MUCH better graphics on PC. Also, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were practically unplayable for me due to boringness until I got a lot of mods for both.

I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us." My response is simply that if we can put the same game on a console without diluting the expirence to the point of horribly mixed Kool-Aid then what the hell is the significant difference between the two, that makes PC's so great? It all really seems to be driven by the old dogma that console games are all just the gaming equivilent of a Michael Bay film in that they are filled with nothing but endless parades of military hardware, followed by horribly characterized gruff marine badasses who all look and act like they've been abusing steroids for sevral years now.

Your view is fine for FPS and RPG games. But tell me, how do you plan to bring RTS games to consoles and have them work at all? The only RTS that was even moderately succesful for the 360 was Halo Wars, and that was a dumbed down piece of crap that all my friends regretted buying.

In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."

Problem here is the controller doesn't have enough buttons for most of the games I play. Tell me, how am I supposed to have my hotkeys for 9 control groups, as well as 5 base buildings on a controller?

1. I have seen them both on PC and Consloe and know that that is total balls.
2/3. Perhaps but then their are things that can't be ported to a mouse and keyboard interface well either, like Overlord.

 

[Contun]

Honestly, no one really cares. Not saying this to be rude, but we each have our own opinion....

 

[toapat]

Can consoles say the same for Mouse+Keyboard?

excluding the PS2, no. and i have yet to see a game be proven to be superior on a console in these categories:

Shooter
Strategy/Tactics
RPGs
Simulators

only driving, music (GH and RockBand), Hack&slash, and sports games are good on console. everything else sucks on them when compared unbiasedly.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

Aren't you a misinformed little fellow. EVERY SINGLE GAME you mentioned is available, in a better version, for the PC. Assassin's Creed's PC version supports DirectX 10 and runs better, and has more types of side-mission. The PC wins.
Bioshock is available on the PC as well. It supports DirectX 10 surfaces, which make the 360 surfaces look like they are made of cream. Plus, it's a shooter. Shooters are always easier to control with a mouse and a keyboard. The PC wins.
Oblivion and Fallout 3: Both games are bug-ridden and have horrible interfaces in their vanilla versions. Not only does the PC version look better in both, but they have 2 of the most active and productive mod communities, with mods fixing the interface to something bigger, like changing the entire game. The PC wins, twice.
Oh! And since you've brough up The Orange Box... well, TOB leads to TF2, which leads to updates, weapons, playmodes, maps and hats... which the console version doesn't have. Ouch. The PC wins by a landslide.
CoD4 looks essentially the same on both versions, but controls better on the PC, being a shooter and all. PC wins, albeit by a really slight margin.
You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)
Let me mention: none of the previous games need super modern hardware to play at 360-level graphics, so that point is moot.

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

 

[Emphraim]

One thing that has, does, and always will get to me is when people throw out the old "PC are better than consoles" and many things to that effect, particularly mouse & keyboard vs. button pad, but I'll get to that later. The most prominent reason for this is that I am primarily a console gamer, and secondarily because I have been observing the evolution of console gaming these last couple years and have come to the conclusion that console gaming has become essentially up to par with PC gaming. I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.

Those games have MUCH better graphics on PC. Also, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were practically unplayable for me due to boringness until I got a lot of mods for both.

I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us." My response is simply that if we can put the same game on a console without diluting the expirence to the point of horribly mixed Kool-Aid then what the hell is the significant difference between the two, that makes PC's so great? It all really seems to be driven by the old dogma that console games are all just the gaming equivilent of a Michael Bay film in that they are filled with nothing but endless parades of military hardware, followed by horribly characterized gruff marine badasses who all look and act like they've been abusing steroids for sevral years now.

Your view is fine for FPS and RPG games. But tell me, how do you plan to bring RTS games to consoles and have them work at all? The only RTS that was even moderately succesful for the 360 was Halo Wars, and that was a dumbed down piece of crap that all my friends regretted buying.

In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."

Problem here is the controller doesn't have enough buttons for most of the games I play. Tell me, how am I supposed to have my hotkeys for 9 control groups, as well as 5 base buildings on a controller?

1. I have seen them both on PC and Consloe and know that that is total balls.
2/3. Perhaps but then their are things that can't be ported to a mouse and keyboard interface well either, like Overlord.

1. The games on PC were DX10 at maximum settings? I think not.
2. Overlord is available on PC.

 

[quiet_samurai]

You made no arguments what so ever on how concoles are better. You had some mini game reviews and admitted the fact you don't have the skill to use keyboard and mouse. That's pretty much it.

But whatever man, it's cool. So you prefer consoles, fine, do what you like. The one major reason PC's are better though are mods and more DLC available. Even though console gaming is becoming on par with PC gaming, you cannot take it further then the standard package or add other content. This does not include official DLC's like expansions, but you know what I mean.

 

[WodashGSJ]

With both Oblivion and Fallout 3, the mods are the best part of the whole experience. You can download things that change the way the whole game plays and customize it to be exactly how you prefer. I don't believe that any console allows you to do that, and due to the manufacturers' concerns about age ratings, none of them is ever likely to in the future.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

I realized that "Consoles vs PC" got really popular lately. Is there a reason for that? I'll hope this entire pro-console sounding thing you got here actually boils down to your neutral-ish final line. "It's not the instrument that sucks." Because PC>Console isn't necessarily true and neither is Console>PC. Guess no one can just agree to disagree.

Considering the very title of this thread is stating an opinion as a fact, I do not foresee this ending well at all.

And this, definitely. People who do the "opinion as fact" thing annoy me. Neither side is right, and both should stop acting like they are.

 

[Flying-Emu]

2/3. Perhaps but then their are things that can't be ported to a mouse and keyboard interface well either, like Overlord(I'm going to use Pikmin as a reference, since it's EXACTLY like Overlord only infinitely better).

Actually, considering Pikmin is, in effect, an isometric dungeon crawler, its roots are in games like Diablo and Titan Quest, both of which have well-made pet control systems using a Mouse and Keyboard.

Besides, who cares? PCs have mods, peripheral uses (Internet browsing, word processing, etc.) and superior graphics (Don't you dare go against this. If you do, you're either misinformed, ignorant, or just plain idiotic), at the cost of being more expensive and a bit harder to manage. Consoles are easier to get ahold of and use, as well as games being easier to acquire for them (at least, until they become old or abandonware.)

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

(snip)

I'm not sure why I'm replying to an obvious flamebait thread, and it's already pretty well known that consoles are the dominant force gaming and as a PC gamer I've no qualms with that, but I do take umbrage at a few imprecisions in the rant. One about control schemes, one about the Orange Box.

It's already well established (Microsoft confirmed this with beta testing for Shadowrun's cross-compatibile multiplayer on the Xbox and PC) that mouse and keyboard makes for faster and easier control with FPSes. PC players tended to dominate the console testers left and right, therefore the developers included some extra auto-aim functionality for 360 players and added a gimping to PC players. (Ironically, one could wager that the gimping--lowering of accuracy with fast, sudden movements, is actually fairly realistic. With the mouse, a competent player could very quickly and very easily flick his crosshairs over small targets and kill with much greater precision than is possible in real life.)

I'm quite proficient with both the mouse as well as gamepads in this genre, but there's no getting around the fact that the mouse, at the very least, is much faster and precise than gamepad-based control schemes. That you might not be very proficient with mouse and keyboard doesn't prove that gamepads are better. It's just as your band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."

And about the Orange Box: These TF2 updates are an awful lotta fun. Except the experimental item drop system from the Spy vs. Sniper update, but Valve fixed that. It's still in production for the 360, I think. And Microsoft is forcing Valve to charge money for it when, on Steam for the PC, they could release it for free.

You have to pay to play online with a Live Gold account, too.

While consoles are the better game platform, at least PCs get some stuff for free. After a while, adding together the cost of a 360, an HD TV, and a long-term monthly subscription, consoles start to cost around as much as a decent PC. Not quite as much, no, but at least PCs can be upgraded bit by bit.

(Your notes on Assassin's Creed and Bioshock are, well, very minor in the greater scope of things. And, accordingly, there's not much to say about them. Other than that the PC gamers who've argued to you about them were probably nitpickers who aren't exactly equipped to debate the issue from a broader perspective.)


EDIT:

I have chosen my stance and stand by it readily. Consoles can be and are just as good as PC's.

Actually I think consoles are better than PCs, but not by much. It's a socio-economic thing. The bulk of the hardcore and non-online casual market is in consoles now, so that's generally where you go if you consider yourself "hardcore."

Thankfully, I don't, and PCs are fine by me.

 

[axia777]

This is nothing more than flame bait. Someone get a fire extinguisher! Who cares if someone like playing a PC and someone else like consoles? It is all personal taste. I do both by the way. It is all good as long as it is fun!

 

[Amnestic]

You also mentioned Mass Effect. The PC version's GUI is far superior, the graphics are better and it's easier to control. Plus, you get the bonus mission Bring Down The Sky (I don't know if consoles have it, so correct me)

Console owners do get Bring Down the Sky, but they have to pay for it iirc.

 

[FURY_007]

god fucking damnit this is annoying, Im a diehard PC fanboy, but i still love playing console games, (even thought they are slowly getting a fucking annoying because more and more I see splitscreen gaming getting taken out, which is what made them awesome IMO) but yeah, back to the point

Consoles are good, PCs are better

haha just kidding, but seriously, they are both good for their different reasons mostly stated above, and so if you lean towards one or the other, like me, so fucking what, no need to fucking call the other out

 

[toapat]

only driving, music (GH and RockBand), Hack&slash, and sports games are good on console. everything else sucks on them when compared unbiasedly.

ok, let me tell you why i name these 4 as for their superiority on consoles.

Driving: Analog sticks/more available racing wheel peripherals. i have played NFS:Underground on PC and PS2. PS2 is better. Same with NFS:MW i have it for gamecube and PC. PC controls worse, but looks better.

Hack&slash: unless you can get a controller to match the console's version, you are screwed because keyboards cant stand that repeditive pounding

Music: do you honestly want to look like a total asshole while playing a game?

Sports: this takes skill to work, and then you want to make it even more complex?

 

[Nmil-ek]

Thats great no you just go ahead and start pointless flame threads dont mind us y'know the ones that dont like wading through repeat shite threads. Really what possible discussion bar PC yay console BOO or vice versa can be gained from this.

 

[jamesworkshop]

PC is great because the games have larger support communities and contain many types of games from Popcap casual games all the way to AAA Crysis titles along with greater access to the internet, I can copy save data much faster, take screenshots, run fraps to record gameplay and update to youtube without ever having to leave the PC.

Consoles are fine but they are soo hard when you actually want a greater level of freedom which the owners aren't really interested in providing, love controllers then why not use xpadder, nothing forces you to only use the input device the developer decided to use if you want it there is always a way to do it on the PC.
Plus upgradable hardware, mods, texture packs make playing older titles more enjoyable than what is often very hit or miss backwards compatabilty on the console market.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

One thing that has, does, and always will get to me is when people throw out the old "PC are better than consoles" and many things to that effect, particularly mouse & keyboard vs. button pad, but I'll get to that later. The most prominent reason for this is that I am primarily a console gamer, and secondarily because I have been observing the evolution of console gaming these last couple years and have come to the conclusion that console gaming has become essentially up to par with PC gaming. I take games like Bioshock, Oblivion, Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and the Assassin's Creed series as proof of that.

Those games have MUCH better graphics on PC. Also, Oblivion and Fallout 3 were practically unplayable for me due to boringness until I got a lot of mods for both.

I can hear even now the "Pshaw, those games (or Oblivion and Fallout 3 anyways) are PC games that you dirty console tards stole from us." My response is simply that if we can put the same game on a console without diluting the expirence to the point of horribly mixed Kool-Aid then what the hell is the significant difference between the two, that makes PC's so great? It all really seems to be driven by the old dogma that console games are all just the gaming equivilent of a Michael Bay film in that they are filled with nothing but endless parades of military hardware, followed by horribly characterized gruff marine badasses who all look and act like they've been abusing steroids for sevral years now.

Your view is fine for FPS and RPG games. But tell me, how do you plan to bring RTS games to consoles and have them work at all? The only RTS that was even moderately succesful for the 360 was Halo Wars, and that was a dumbed down piece of crap that all my friends regretted buying.

In closing I felt that I should address the button pad vs. mouse and keyboard issue I brought up earlier. I have never understood the this argument in PC>Consoles, because I have never played a current generation game that gave me any true problems like this, not even Turok. I gather that the idea stems from PC central gamers who try to start playing a game using a button pad, and their inexperience with that kind of control scheme causes them to play not as well. Obviously then, since they are so good at the game on PC the problem is with the controler not them. I figured this out when I went to play CoD 4 on a friends house on his computer and couldn't aim for shit, then when I got it myself for my 360 everything came like a charm. So it is like my old band teacher said, "It isn't that the instrument sucks, it's that you suck at playing it."

Problem here is the controller doesn't have enough buttons for most of the games I play. Tell me, how am I supposed to have my hotkeys for 9 control groups, as well as 5 base buildings on a controller?

1. I have seen them both on PC and Consloe and know that that is total balls.
2/3. Perhaps but then their are things that can't be ported to a mouse and keyboard interface well either, like Overlord.

1. The games on PC were DX10 at maximum settings? I think not.
2. Overlord is available on PC.

I have no idea what the first one means, but the damn thing looks good enough for primetime on the 360 and I know Overlord is available on PC, and given the discription of it's controlls on the PC that I've heard, it doesn't work very well.

 

[Dorian Cornelius Jasper]

(snip)

Actually, platformers are also better for consoles by far. Fighting games, too.

As far as I'm concerned only FPSes, RTSes, and anything involving either high-precision or menus-in-play (many turn-based games) are really best on PC. Just about anything else can easily be done on console and even FPSes can be fudged to help console players out. Like auto-aim, that's something console FPSes need to have to make it easier for gamepadders.

 

[niglett]

Why can't we console gamers coexist peacefully with the normal PC gamers, while the elitists and the flamers from both sides can go have a pitched battle at a nuclear testing site?

i wish this was true... sad.

lets sell tickets for the battle!!!