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MrGalactus

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So I've taken a last true dive into PC Gaming, and I mean it this time. I've bought myself a painfully expensive big stupid super computer, and i've been playing about a week now. But now i need some help.
So Steam is a little disappointing, so far as i can tell old games stay $20-30, and it doesn't do a whole lot to help you find games you could be interested in. Not to mention, most of them have no demo. Steam brings up a really strong feeling of infinite arcade syndrome, where as soon as anyone tells me to think of something, I cant think of anything. I'm not sure I know what games i like anymore.
Then there's the issue of buying used, which, for a start my computer doesn't come with a CD thing, so it isn't going to happen, but finding a PC game on disc is a challenge to begin with. I could pick up a classic PS2 game for maybe $3, that could cost me $20 on Steam.

The big thing most people point out is that PC has greater capacity for shiny graphics and the what have yas, which is fine, but so far as i can tell, GTA5 on a PS4 and a PC plays exactly the same, has exactly the same amount of features, exactly the same number of pedestrians and stuff like that, looks exactly the same, but PS4 has less rough edges, controls worse, and has a worse online community, absolutely infested by hacking.

Then Mods are great, but these days with paid mods creeping up, soon there'll only be DLC.

So, whats the deal? What makes this system worth 4 PS4s with money left over for a pretty big TV? What can I do to use this thing properly? What piece of the master race gaming platform am I missing here?
 

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Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away. You could browse Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/search/#sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=-1&category1=998&page=1] and/or Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/pc/metascore?view=condensed] and start adding games to your wishlist.

MrGalactus said:
I've bought myself a painfully expensive big stupid super computer, and i've been playing about a week now.
Specs or it didn't happen!
 

MrGalactus

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1981 said:
Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away. You could browse Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/search/#sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=-1&category1=998&page=1] and/or Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/pc/metascore?view=condensed] and start adding games to your wishlist.

MrGalactus said:
I've bought myself a painfully expensive big stupid super computer, and i've been playing about a week now.
Specs or it didn't happen!
Fair enough, but i'm the wrong person to ask. It's called a Hammer Z170, and it has a bonus thing in it that's better than the original thing. I have no idea how to look up the specs.
 

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1981 said:
Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away.
Yep. Unless you're absolutely desperate for a particular title, always, always, always wait for sales. You can get 4-5 games for what you would've spent on one, and swiftly build up a large backlog to tide you over until the next sale.

It's worth noting, too, that the available library of games and genres is MUCH larger on the PC than the Playstation. And it's backwards compatible unto the mists of time, so if your tolerance level for retro gaming is high the sky quickly becomes the limit.
 

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That whole shiny graphics that cant be surpased by console argument? Forget that. Thats a bonus but IMO its not the true strength of PC gaming.

PC gamings true strength is variety. PC gets a massive variety of games that you will never find on the consoles. Games from all kinds of genre's (or multiple genre's or even yet to be defined genre's). At first it can be difficult to sort through all of the games out there but if one does their research (just like you should for the consoles) it can be much easier to find games that you'll like. Not only that but backwards compatibility can and always will be a thing thats capable on PC.

Moving over to the price of games, well lets be honest here most games will be much cheaper then regular full priced games on consoles. Thats before sales. When massive sales happen on Steam, GoG, or other digital distribution platforms games often fall to much lower prices. I remember getting Divinity dragon commander on sale for around $5 when its normally 40 and there are a lot of other chances like that and for those used games, yeah if you have an optical blu-ray, dvd, and cd player (something that costs less then $100 which you would probably have if you really did buy a "stupidly expensive PC") you can still buy old used games. I still have a physical copy of Morrowind and use it whenever I play the game and yeah you can find those in a bin or used on occassion for silly cheap prices.
 

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MrGalactus said:
Fair enough, but i'm the wrong person to ask. It's called a Hammer Z170, and it has a bonus thing in it that's better than the original thing. I have no idea how to look up the specs.
What I find most troubling is you are about to base your PC gaming experience on a PC you purchased blind and have no idea what you got. Also pricing out your parts for the US, you paid approximately $600 more than you needed to, oops pre-built, always a mistake. I hope you only paid $1795, if more... wow, can you bring it back?

Also turn up the 4K textures and downscale to your monitors resolution, a 960 should be ok to push the textures a bit, also a PS4 can't go above 30 FPS.
 

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I just want to make the point that games like Half Life are $9. And they are easily some of the best games the platform have ever seen. So start buying man, filter your search for sub-$9 games. You'll find a good many excellent titles.

EDIT: Actually Half-Life 2 is also $9. So, even better, because that game is even better than HL 1.
 

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MrGalactus said:
1981 said:
Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away. You could browse Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/search/#sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=-1&category1=998&page=1] and/or Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/pc/metascore?view=condensed] and start adding games to your wishlist.

MrGalactus said:
I've bought myself a painfully expensive big stupid super computer, and i've been playing about a week now.
Specs or it didn't happen!
Fair enough, but i'm the wrong person to ask. It's called a Hammer Z170, and it has a bonus thing in it that's better than the original thing. I have no idea how to look up the specs.
[link]http://www.altex.com/Altex-Hammer-Z170-i7-6700K-Computer-System-with-Windows-10-Pro-AEG-Z170-P156745.aspx[/link]

Overall, not a bad rig I'd say. But for that amount of money I'd expect a beefier video card. It's definitely a CPU-heavy PC, which is great for online multiplayer. If you want the really shiny graphics and have that kind of cash to throw around you needed to find something in an R9 or Titan series, or at least a single or dual 970/980 setup. For comparison, here's Futuremark's rundown of currently available cards - [link]http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu[/link] I spent a little less than what this PC retails for a few months ago - including a new monitor - and found an R9 295x2 on Newegg for a steal. Anyway GTA probably isn't the best game to look at if you want a PC/Console visual comparison. For Rockstar, PC ports are often secondary so graphics lean heavily toward console playability. Try an Elder Scrolls game or maybe The Witcher 3.
 

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Also remember that Steam is not the only place to get games out there it is the biggest and most games you buy else where will just give you a steam key but its not the only place GOG.com and greenmangaming are good places to look and i suppose if you really really want the EA exclusives there is ... origin
also adding games to your wish list will help steam start to generate recommendations for you

also you can just buy and install a Blu-ray/DVD player if you want one even a prebuilt will have leftover sATA ports for more SDD HDD or disk players and neither of them take up much powergrid or heat cap so just plug them in
 

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MrGalactus said:
So, whats the deal? What makes this system worth 4 PS4s with money left over for a pretty big TV? What can I do to use this thing properly? What piece of the master race gaming platform am I missing here?
Almost no PC is actually worth that much, and the fact that you paid that much for it is... Well, not the wisest move to say the least. If you just want to get into and try PC gaming, you should have gone for a cheaper make. If you wanted to truly jump in and go full end, should have built yourself - or asked online for a good build, gone into your local parts store and had them assemble it for you - and it would have been marginally more expensive than a PS4, depending on exactly what you want.

What makes a PC better than PS4?

RTS, 4X, KSP, Tycoon games, infinite backwards compatibility... I could go on.
What makes it worth more than a PS4 to you? Well, that's for you to decide isn't it? Not everyone is the same, so if there's nothing you like on the PC... Well, you know, there's nothing you like on a PC. Its like buying a souped up Van and then complaining that it only barely drives faster than your 6 year old electric mini you traded in. Well, yeah, but most people don't buy a Van just to go faster than a mini. They buy a sportscar for that, and a Van for all its extra carrying capacity.

So, what advantages?
1. Infinite backwards compatibility. Who needs to have bought/owned a PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4, and keep them all stashed around your house so you can play your old games? Certainly not a PC player! 1 machine, you can play every game ever made. Sure, for some you might need to download an emulator [DOSBox] in order to get them running, but every PC game ever released is at your fingertips right now. A huge number of them are also free, being so old that the source code has been floating around the internet for a decade or so, and any rights pertaining to it have expired. This is without going into console emulators, of usually questionable legality that can be gotten past through some loopholes [But most people don't do this], that allow one to play any game on any console except the PS3/Xbox 360 and the current gen as well, all on the one machine. It is a true one stop entertainment shop, the sort of thing Sony and Microsoft wish they could make.

2. Many genres that simply don't exist on consoles, or exist very poorly. 4X and RTS games being the obvious big ones. You get barely any on consoles. In fact, phones and handheld gaming devices get more of these things than consoles do. If you're into these sorts of games, which you should be because they are amazing, then PC is your only option by default. MOBAs are also mostly only on PC, as are MMOs, though there are a couple of exceptions. This is without going into the same genre exclusives that pop up for PC as well, or all the weird and unique games like Kerbal Space Program.

3. Graphics and such. 4K screens, that run natively at 4K. 'nough said. Higher graphics options on PC games that have had actual effort put into them also look absolutely stunning. There's a reason PC gamers can tell a console port at a glance. No effort has gone into it except remapping the controls - and even then that's not always done. PC games with even a little effort put into them look great, and when made fully with a PC in mind... See Witcher 3, or Star Citizen's alpha, or the latest Battlefield/Battlefront games, or Witcher 2, or Crysis games... Ect. Also, multi-monitor setups. I am presently running with 3 monitors: Middle 4K monitor for gaming, side 1080p monitor for internet, and another smaller 768p monitor for Skype and such. A bit impossible to do with just a games console.

4. Modding. It'll never be just DLC, because people would quite simply refuse to pay for it, and just make it themselves most of the time. Look at Warcraft III - a thousand clones of better mods because they weren't that hard to make, but were too hard or something. There's also the matter of making mods yourself - which I often find more fun than playing the damn original game.
Beyond modding itself, and what this should probably overall be considered as, customisability is a huge big thing. Don't like motion blur? Turn it off. Lense flair? Turn it off. Want a wider FoV? Normally just a .ini edit away. Graphics injectors allow you to alter the game itself's appearance to add in new effects if you want as well. You can choose to play with KB+M, or controller, via only your voice [I shit you not, Voice attack. Might not be the most efficient method for some games, but you can do it =P], or whatever you want.
Don't like Windows UI? Change it. There are thousands of programs dedicated to altering little things about Windows and its UI so you can have the experience you want. You could have your Windows boot up with an Iron Man logo and then say "Good day Master" in Jarvis' voice if you wanted to, and then log in to a full on Jarvis interface straight outa the movies. Sky is the limit, do what you want.
You can also sit your PC anywhere, and if you get a laptop, take it anywhere. Want it in your living room? Can do. Too big, and you want a little one, get a micro ITX case instead. Sure, its a trade of power v size and portability, but power is the least of your worries these days. It pretty much only locks you out of some higher graphics settings, which are the smallest of the benefits PCs provide.

5. Steam Sales, GoG Sales, Free to Play games, Internet Flash Games, ect. Yeah, it depends on what you want, and what's available at the time, but generally you'll find something worth playing. And if not, well, oh well, half of them were free anyway =P
But I do understand this isn't for everyone. I get barely any use out of this, mostly just the Humble Bundles instead where I get 5 games for $1, even if most of the time they are Indies that I've never heard of, though there are still the occasional publisher sales through them [For example I got Civ III, IV, all expansions, Railroads, Alpha Centauri, Pirates, V and all expansions and DLC for $8 at one point. Was a good day].


The big thing is though, you've got to pick what matters to you, and then adapt yourself and your PC to that. Want to just play the usual console AAA games sitting on your couch? Then if you're going for PC, get a micro ITX case and some mid range parts, grab a controller, and just sit it in your living room to do so. Probably cost you less than a thousand. If you see some awesome PC game you'd like to play, that's got high system requirements, build a PC to run it, and go wild. It seems you might have done things backwards; built a really expensive PC that doesn't really suit your interests, and then tried to justify it. Best thing to do is to look for things you like doing, and then see how you can do them on the PC.
 

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For good prices wait for sales, check GOG.com, and greenmangaming, and humble bundle is a good source to.

Graphics depends on your build, your GPU, not all PC's are equal. With a beefy 980 my GTA V runs gloriously smooth and looks amazing, shame I hate the online system on PC. You also may have to spend some time fiddling with the settings in game.

BloatedGuppy said:
1981 said:
Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away.
Yep. Unless you're absolutely desperate for a particular title, always, always, always wait for sales. You can get 4-5 games for what you would've spent on one, and swiftly build up a large backlog to tide you over until the next sale.

It's worth noting, too, that the available library of games and genres is MUCH larger on the PC than the Playstation. And it's backwards compatible unto the mists of time, so if your tolerance level for retro gaming is high the sky quickly becomes the limit.
On backwards compatibility I would add a tenous sometimes, not everything will always work, you can always emulate stuff though, but some games straight up don't work, Fallout 3 is a massive culprit for spitting it's dummy out and crashing over nothing.
 

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MrGalactus said:
1981 said:
Wait for Steam sales. The Winter Sale isn't far away. You could browse Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/search/#sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=-1&category1=998&page=1] and/or Metacritic [http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/available/pc/metascore?view=condensed] and start adding games to your wishlist.

MrGalactus said:
I've bought myself a painfully expensive big stupid super computer, and i've been playing about a week now.
Specs or it didn't happen!
Fair enough, but i'm the wrong person to ask. It's called a Hammer Z170, and it has a bonus thing in it that's better than the original thing. I have no idea how to look up the specs.
Oh man, if it really is the machine linked by another poster; do yourself a favor and bring that back. You can save yourself almost $1000 if you ask around on this forum for help surrounding computer parts. Those kind of awful pre-built computers give PC gaming a bad name. It is indeed not worth almost 4 PS4's and a good TV, not even remotely. Good lord, it doesn't even have a DVD drive?! That's criminal.

Like, seriously I'm not even trying to bust your balls here, I'm genuinely a bit concerned about the quality of your experience. There's so much money you could save here while actually gaining gaming performance. Pairing that processor with that video card is just...no. You got ripped off my friend.

As for games; wait for Steam sales, GreenManGaming sales, Humble Bundles and GoG.com sales that are probably right around the corner. Especially visit GoG.com if you're interested in older titles, that company is awesome and puts decent amount of work in making older titles suitable for new computers. If you want some stuff right now check what kind of daily sales there are.
 

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MrGalactus said:
so far as i can tell old games stay $20-30
I've picked up some great games on Steam for under $2.50 but the most amazing deals I think have come from www.humblebundle.com Some of the money goes to charity. They typically have a bundle each Thursday, and another every other Tuesday. You can pay as little as $1.00 for four games. Most of the time, these bundles are likely not worth your time, but heck, throw em a buck for a lark and check out some interesting indy games.

But once in a while, they have something gigantic. I've paid $10 for a dozen triple A games I did not own. A lot of older games (like 5 years old) but if the graphics and gameplay are up to date and I haven't played it, it's new to me.

Edit: Specs http://www.altex.com/Altex-Hammer-Z170-i7-6700K-Computer-System-with-Windows-10-Pro-AEG-Z170-P156745.aspx

2nd Edit: If you have the money for it, enjoy that PC. Sure, you could build a really good gaming rig for about 1/2 that much but that isn't for some people. That processor, i7-6700K, DDR4, GTX 960: that is all good stuff.

I've never had liquid cooling and it scares me but a lot of uber pc builders swear by it (I fill my rigs with a half dozen air fans and do not over-clock). That thing should keep you reasonably happy for 6 years.
 

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A PC with a with a GTX960 for almost 2000 dollars?

OP, you need to bring that back. I build my PC with the significantly better GTX970 for half that price.

PC gaming starts with learning about the different components of your machine and building it yourself. A GTX960 is a lower mid tier card. You will be needing to replace it in less than 2 years. That's another 300 dollars.

For 2000 dollars those scam artists should be offering a GTX980ti.

Take a couple of hours on youtube, watch someone else assemble a PC, explaining the different components. Going through this process will allow you to learn about PC's, learn some skills, and save about 1000 dollars on what you have now.

The other components are high end, but the glaring flaw of your gaming rig is the most important component of a gaming rig, the 3d card.

Some good resources for when I was looking for my gaming rig:

linus tech tips (youtube): This guy can walk you through all the essential components for building a PC. Currently the best value for money is the GTX970 4GB by Nvidia.

If money is no issue, then swapping that graphics card will have you covered until the beginning of the next generation. If money is an issue, you should consider getting a refund, doing some preparatory research and jumping back in.
 

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MrGalactus said:
Then there's the issue of buying used, which, for a start my computer doesn't come with a CD thing, so it isn't going to happen, but finding a PC game on disc is a challenge to begin with.
Wait a minute. You bought a "painfully expensive big stupid super computer", and didn't make sure it came with a DVD/CD drive?


Being less of a dick about it you can buy one and attach it, or get a plug in USB one. I just found one for about £15.

So Steam is a little disappointing, so far as i can tell old games stay $20-30, and it doesn't do a whole lot to help you find games you could be interested in. Not to mention, most of them have no demo. Steam brings up a really strong feeling of infinite arcade syndrome, where as soon as anyone tells me to think of something, I cant think of anything. I'm not sure I know what games i like anymore.
Steam is good because of Steam Sales. Wait until the next sale. It is also not the only option. Many recommend Good old Games and other independent distribution platforms.

Name some games you like, see if anyone can recommend anything, put it on your wishlist and wait for a sale.


The big thing most people point out is that PC has greater capacity for shiny graphics and the what have yas, which is fine, but so far as i can tell, GTA5 on a PS4 and a PC plays exactly the same, has exactly the same amount of features, exactly the same number of pedestrians and stuff like that, looks exactly the same, but PS4 has less rough edges, controls worse, and has a worse online community, absolutely infested by hacking.
GTA5 is a bad example. It was designed as a console game and ported (poorly) to PC.

Then Mods are great, but these days with paid mods creeping up, soon there'll only be DLC.
Not if the community has anything to say about it, which we do.

So, whats the deal? What makes this system worth 4 PS4s with money left over for a pretty big TV? What can I do to use this thing properly? What piece of the master race gaming platform am I missing here?
How did you manage to spend "4 PS4s" on a gaming PC?! (to be clear, I know it is entirely possible). Mine cost about £450. Next time I would suggest getting someone who knows about these things to recommend parts and put it together for you.

I think what you are missing is time. Most "Master Race" types have been at this for decades and would feel completely lost on a console (I know I would, I fuckin hate those controllers). You have just invested a HUGE amount of money in something and want it to instantly prove it's worth. This is normal, but will leave you disappointed. Give it time.
 

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Unless you're a PC hobbyist and/or really enjoy niche genres you can only find on PC and/or really want to dig up old PC games and accumulate a monstrous backlog of dated and shitty games you'll never play anyway than I never understood why people would ever prefer the hassle of a PC over a console. When you buy a game for PS4 you know the game will always play, that the game updates automatically, that the OS won't crash or give you infinite headaches with driver gibberish, that the game is optimized for that particular system etc. Also high-end PC specs in the end mean nothing compared to the marketing prowess of consoles. Without consoles modern AAA games wouldn't even exist and PCs would still be stuck in the dark ages of DOS adventure games and flight simulators.

Not that consoles are perfect but they are relatively cheap and convenient and play all the new releases you want. I never understood why people would want to spend so much money just to play a videogame. But to each their own I guess.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Yep. Unless you're absolutely desperate for a particular title, always, always, always wait for sales. You can get 4-5 games for what you would've spent on one, and swiftly build up a large backlog to tide you over until the next sale.
The best part is that all this generally does is discount a few major games by say, ten or twenty percent (like non-Steam, non-PC sales), and bring older games down to rough parity with other sources. So the major benefit if PCs with Steam Sales is that you get something roughly resembling parity with the other platforms at as similar age.

Leon Royce said:
OP, you need to bring that back. I build my PC with the significantly better GTX970 for half that price.
The operating word is "build," though. Unless you actually want to build a PC, you will pay significantly more for less. This isn't, how did you put it?

F
or 2000 dollars those scam artists should be offering a GTX980ti.
Yeah, it's not scam artistry, it's business. It's no worse than PC gamers considering Steam sales to be a "good deal."
 

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Something Amyss said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Yep. Unless you're absolutely desperate for a particular title, always, always, always wait for sales. You can get 4-5 games for what you would've spent on one, and swiftly build up a large backlog to tide you over until the next sale.
The best part is that all this generally does is discount a few major games by say, ten or twenty percent (like non-Steam, non-PC sales), and bring older games down to rough parity with other sources. So the major benefit if PCs with Steam Sales is that you get something roughly resembling parity with the other platforms at as similar age.
Ok did you ever actually HAVE a steam sale? The only time i saw a discount on steam as low as ten percent is when games just release to entice early adopters of the game. On actual, big steam sales the discount is at least 50% and 75% percent most of the time. You have to wait a bit, but about a year after release you can pick up most AAA games for about 5 - 10 bucks on steam. Is that the same price on consoles?