PC gaming is dead to me now.

[Wolfram23]

Just a heads up to all the dipshits who are saying "enjoy your red rings" and all that, the newer 360s don't red-ring anymore (at least not in the same volume). Hell, before the newer Slim models came out, they stopped red-ringing (I still have the original all-black "Elite" model, it's coming up on 4 years now and it's still rocking on)

The response from PC gamers here has been typical; "you're too stupid to use a pc gtfo". And they wonder where the reputation of being obnoxious elitist pricks comes from?

Here's the deal. I buy a console. I know that games will continue to be pumped out for it for quite some time. I know the online system will always be consistent. I know there is no DRM involved. I buy the game, and I play it, it's as simple as that. I don't even have to install it to the hard drive and waste a single second if I don't want to.

I know that there are no system requirements. I know that there are no "catches". I know that when I turn on my Xbox, at no point are my crucial work files on my computer hard ever at any sort of danger. I know that the 360 I bought 4 years ago will eventually get refreshed to a newer model, but I also know that I don't need to spend a penny to make newer games work because of it.

PC gaming has its plusses, but for many people, it's not an economic or long-term solution, and frankly, the attitude of PC gamers alone makes me not want to play.

Not trying to start an argument, I just want to point out that - and this is just my opinion - but I'd hazard that the vast majority of PC gamers own at least 1 modern console. I think they/we know what the benefits of consoles are, and choose to stay with the PC primarily because we either don't have to deal with a lot of shit (ie: our PCs work fine) or because even when we do have shit happen, it's not a headache to fix and the benefits far outweigh the sometimes inconvenience.

Basically all I'm saying is, while you're certainly entitled to write whatever you want, you aren't going to convince anyone who considers themselves a PC gamer because they already know this through experience. We like what we like, you like what you like... let's just leave it at that and enjoy what modern gaming has to offer us.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

As opposed to being thrown into what is known as the PC elitist?

Yeah I'm right there with you OP. Only game I even bother with on PC is Civ and SW:TOR.

You're making a much bigger deal out of this than what it actually is, you're acting like you've killed a child.

You might as well if your announcing something that is opposed to PC gaming on the Escapist.

Oh please the Escapist is just as full of console gamers with a persecution complex who think that every fucking PC gamer is out to get them as it is PC gamers who are elitist. Thinking otherwise, is ridiculous. I do like how it is ok to bash PC gamers on this forum for being elitist for even saying anything remotely like this point about PC gaming is better but no one takes note of console gaming elitists or martyrs.

The amount of hyperbole that comes out of these threads is staggering as well as the elitism and idiocy on both sides and I fail to see why people only see PC gamers at fault just because of a little prejudiced stigma. Yes Elitist(PC gaming shit group) do exist on PC and are vocal but so are shit groups on consoles.

 

[Alex Tom]

About seven years ago if you were to ask me if I was a PC gamer, I'd stand tall and arrogant waving a flag and say "yes" then go on to denounce console gaming for its inferiority and pretty much say anything else imaginable that would embarrass the crap out of me today. But over the years I've slowly and surely moved away from PC, starting around the time the PS3 dropped in price to something reasonable, and now I won't even buy "must buy only" games for the PC such as Skyrim and such.

I try to think back to why this has happened and today after spending eight hours pulling my hair trying to get games on steam to work I've realized why.

The truth is, I just can't take it anymore.

Call me lazy, call me even stupid for not trying hard enough, say that it's all my fault, but honestly, I don't care anymore. I'm sick and tired of trying to fix this problem or that. Tired of it being my PC's fault the game doesn't work. Tired of my anti virus freezing up the game. Or having to re-install my sound card to get sound to work in Bioshock (which hasn't done it).

I am just sick and tired of spending all day, all fucking day on this forum and that, sometimes going on weeks trying to hunt down that one stupid reason a game isn't working when it should.

Today, every fucking game on my Steam library wasn't working. After five hours of trying to figure out what was going on and nearly deciding to reformat my PC (again for the 3rd time this month) I find out Steam has been down with certain clients and had decided not to let anyone know. I had to find out about this in some back alley of the google search engine after the 17 page. So, fuck you PC gaming. I have my Xbox 360, I have my PS3. SWTOR ended up sucking anyways no thanks to it being a rip off clone to an MMO that's over seven years old and shouldn't matter anymore. And since Diablo 3 isn't coming to any console, I say I care less to that too.

I'm done, thank you really for nothing but years and years worth of head aches...So long, farewell, good.....fucking.....bye



Wow, that felt....GOOD! XD

I dont care what anyone else says..you sir have made my day. Its good to know im not the only person that dosent LOVE PC gameing

 

[TimeLord]

Except that consoles get free DLC (Space Marine is a prime example of their free 'Exterminatus' DLC), indie games on XBLA and backwards compatibility too...

Severely limited.

Ever tried to play a windows 95 game on a Windows 7 system without having to trail through FAQs, downloads and files to make it work? Go try playing Hogs Of War on a brand new computer without having to do any of that! It's not possible.

Easy. Remove Windows 7. Install Windows Xp/Linux.

And what if I don't want to install Linux or don't have the ability or want to buy XP again? I could just buy a PS2 for £10 (which I already own) and the game for pennies and problem solved.

I hate the argument that "oh if you did this this and this then it's easy"!
Well some of us would just like to switch on a device and insert a game and go in under 30 seconds. None of this "minimum spec" crap or having to spend half a day configuring my system to play it.

Apparently according to a user all you have to set it to run with windows 95 compatibility mode. Yay for reading the thread.

Yes and originally that is what I did. But then it didn't work and I had to download a patch or something to make it work. My point is that I can choose between messing about with my PC to make it work for an hour or just pop the game in my PS2 in 30 seconds.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Except that consoles get free DLC (Space Marine is a prime example of their free 'Exterminatus' DLC), indie games on XBLA and backwards compatibility too...

Severely limited.

Ever tried to play a windows 95 game on a Windows 7 system without having to trail through FAQs, downloads and files to make it work? Go try playing Hogs Of War on a brand new computer without having to do any of that! It's not possible.

Easy. Remove Windows 7. Install Windows Xp/Linux.

And what if I don't want to install Linux or don't have the ability or want to buy XP again? I could just buy a PS2 for £10 (which I already own) and the game for pennies and problem solved.

I hate the argument that "oh if you did this this and this then it's easy"!
Well some of us would just like to switch on a device and insert a game and go in under 30 seconds. None of this "minimum spec" crap or having to spend half a day configuring my system to play it.

Apparently according to a user all you have to set it to run with windows 95 compatibility mode. Yay for reading the thread.

Yes and originally that is what I did. But then it didn't work and I had to download a patch or something to make it work. My point is that I can choose between messing about with my PC to make it work for an hour or just pop the game in my PS2 in 30 seconds.

Yes that's fair enough but if you take the time to do it on PC gaming it will always work on that OS. If your PS 2 dies and you can't get another you are fucked unless it is popular enough for something like PSN and given how backwards compatibility went this gen it looks less promising stuff like this will happen unless the game was a massive hit.

 

[surg3n]

Gaming is evolving, and some gamers are still banging on about PC gaming, as if it's even a contender. The PC gets an embarrasingly low amount of sales, less than 10% of console sales - it's the ugly little stepchild of the gaming industry, accept it, deal with it, move on.

Battlefield 3
Xbox 360: 2.2 million
PlayStation 3: 1.5 million
PC: 500,000

Don't spread crap and utter lies. Those were the sales figures for Battlefield 3 and that doesn't even include the Digital Distribution sales of PC which are not disclosed to the public and estimated to take up in excess of 60% of PC sales. So take it at 60% that means there were estimated 1,250,000 copies of BF3 sold. This isn't even getting to stuff like Skyrim.

Not such a far cry from consoles now is it? Yes still well behind the xbox 360 but that can be attributed to stuff like Origin being new and people not wanting to try it also with the fact that people never ever include DD sales with PC units it is always just retail only.

Yes both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses but don't come out with utter crap sales figures that are completely unfounded.

I won't as long as you quote current data, not from early November, and not the most convenient source to bolster your argument... from VGCharts...

360: 4.76m
PS3: 3.90m
PC: 1.23m

So the PC accounts for 12.4%, is that a million miles away from 10%? - is that crap and utter lies?

I agree, that things are better than I thought they were on PC, Skyrim for instance is probably closer to 20% PC sales - but these are both titles that come from predominantly PC orientated franchises, especially Battlefield. DD sales are quoshed by the fact that nobody registers pre-owned console game sales either, and there is really no big market for pre-owned PC games, esp EA games.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Gaming is evolving, and some gamers are still banging on about PC gaming, as if it's even a contender. The PC gets an embarrasingly low amount of sales, less than 10% of console sales - it's the ugly little stepchild of the gaming industry, accept it, deal with it, move on.

Battlefield 3
Xbox 360: 2.2 million
PlayStation 3: 1.5 million
PC: 500,000

Don't spread crap and utter lies. Those were the sales figures for Battlefield 3 and that doesn't even include the Digital Distribution sales of PC which are not disclosed to the public and estimated to take up in excess of 60% of PC sales. So take it at 60% that means there were estimated 1,250,000 copies of BF3 sold. This isn't even getting to stuff like Skyrim.

Not such a far cry from consoles now is it? Yes still well behind the xbox 360 but that can be attributed to stuff like Origin being new and people not wanting to try it also with the fact that people never ever include DD sales with PC units it is always just retail only.

Yes both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses but don't come out with utter crap sales figures that are completely unfounded.

I won't as long as you quote current data, not from early November, and not the most convenient source to bolster your argument... from VGCharts...

360: 4.76m
PS3: 3.90m
PC: 1.23m

So the PC accounts for 12.4%, is that a million miles away from 10%? - is that crap and utter lies?

I agree, that things are better than I thought they were on PC, Skyrim for instance is probably closer to 20% PC sales - but these are both titles that come from predominantly PC orientated franchises, especially Battlefield. DD sales are quoshed by the fact that nobody registers pre-owned console game sales either, and there is really no big market for pre-owned PC games, esp EA games.

I'm glad you also still feel right to ignore the fact that all Vgchartz includes is retail sales when over 60%(it varies between an estimated 50%-70% of sales through DD from articles) of sales on PC are through stuff like Steam an Origin so the PC sales are at least twice that number for BF 3.

Em nobody tracks preowned because pre owned aren't sales of new products to new people they are resales so the number of people who actually own the game does not increase. So no it should not be pushed aside since fewer and fewer PC gamers buy retail that is how PC gaming is changing.

So 3.075 mil assuming the 60% DD makes PC sales 26% and fairly close to what the PS3s are which is good considering how intense BF3 is on computer and thus decreases potential customers on PC along with stuff like Origin which did put people off.

So yes it is crap and lies if you want to discount the main method of purchasing games on that platform.

 

[Korten12]

I am a mix, of PC and Console gaming. Recently I have been playing a lot more on PC (only because my computer near my consoles has sort of dead lately (but fixed now) and I usually use the monitor to play my console games and my PC Table to also watch shows) but lately I have been wanting to just play on consoles.

PC gaming sometimes just does piss me off. Whether it's the unexplained framerate drops for my games, a game not working when I download it, or other various reasons for a game to go bonkers.

I usually can count on not having a problem on my PS3 or Xbox, which I maybe have had like three crashes of games on both platforms which is small compared to my PC.

 

[Aircross]

Personal problems with hardware and software =/= Problems with PC gaming

 

[predatorpulse7]

Gaming is evolving. And no amount of denial on the part of PC gamers is gonna improve their situation.

I don't even have to read this thread properly to wager a guess at the general opinion... ohh, doesn't like PC gaming anymore, he musn't be good with PC's, console gaming is horrible, I can herp a derp with a keyboard and mouse, like some antique from the fricken jet age, because the interwebs tells me that's leet.

Gaming is evolving, and some gamers are still banging on about PC gaming, as if it's even a contender. The PC gets an embarrasingly low amount of sales, less than 10% of console sales - it's the ugly little stepchild of the gaming industry, accept it, deal with it, move on.

The PC will become more of a niche, still the top platform for MMO and strategy games, still good for indi games - but the big titles are going to stop appearing on PC, the costs of producing a game rise all the time, soon the PC port that PC gamers complain about will be nothing more than an inconvenience. PC gamers, go buy a 360 or PS3, and utilise your PC for more unique games, use your PC for more than just gaming. It's the only sensible option but there are a lot of options out there - like learning to mod your favorite games. PC gaming has to support itself as a platform, PC gamers have to stop snivelling and trolling, and appreciate the smaller companies that support the PC.

Now trolls feel free to regurgitate that usual 'him know nothing' response, I've been a gamer since before I can remember, I write games, and I am an IT engineer (have been for about 16 years). I still use a PC for gaming, but it's different games - like Minecraft for instance. I use a console for the big titles, and keep my PC clean a fresh for indi games, game development, and the occasional hardcore shooter, like Killing Floor or BFP4F.
PC gamers need to stop banging on about the keyboard and mouse as well... digital straffe is just as bad as any woes you'd experience on a controller - controllers and mice both have their benefits and issues, neither is better or worse, it depends on the game and how or where you want to play.

As a side note, I don't know anyone with the PC version of Skyrim who hasn't drained any challenge out of it. At least with console games you don't have 'console' commands to save your neck every time, it keeps games challenging and maintains that sense of achievement when you do struggle through.

Hilarious post. And you have the nerve to call the people that dismiss this bullshit trolls.

Don't even know where to begin.

Objectively speaking, mouse + KB is best for every other game out there except sport sims,racing games and beat-em ups. Since it is best for most games out there, it is superior. Why do you think PS3 has mouse and kb support?

Yeah gaming is evolving and consoles will finally catch up techwise once they release the new generation. Are you actually telling me that selling more dumbed down products(doesn't mean that they're bad some like dark souls/shadow of the collossus are great) for a cheaper price with tech from five years ago is evolving the industry? Yeah, I'm sure the companies are making more money but what's the point if most games coming out for consoles are mediocre brown shooters. This spells STAGNATION. I play MW3 and Battlefield 3 and I'm at a loss at how anyone can like this crap. If you've ever played a doom,quake,unreal tournament you'll know what I'm talking about. Even yahtzee, a console enthusiast, complains about the dumbed down nature of these games.

You are right about the niche nature of PC gaming(with 10% sales and such) but have you asked yourself why this is? It's because PC gamers are treated not even like second grade citizens in the industry, but third or fourth. Why develop for more complex machines when you can do so for machines with one sole configuration? Most developers don't even put out decent PC games, they just do ports and thus we have to suffer through the console's limitations even on our machines. I played Driver San Francisco(a good game) on my PC and the textures looked like something from early 2000's, it was kinda embarrassing considering that we are in 2011. When developers do give a damn about PC gamers, their product will be bought, best example is Witcher 2, which has surpassed one million copies easily and we are talking about ONE PLATFORM(and one on which supposedly everything is pirated). The developers showed respect to the community(free dlc to name just one thing) and the community gave back. What respect should I show companies that don't even port their games properly or give me some bullshit drm like Ubisoft's genius idea in AC 2(to be connected to the internet constantly in order to play)?

We are niche because we are being treated as niche.

It's funny that you should talk about Skyrim cause this game represents this whole niche thing I was talking about beautifully. A lot of PC gamers bought the megahyped Skyrim. After the install many gamers saw that the game crashed on their pc's, even new pc's. Go to the internet and see the soundfix. Once in the game I see that the textures are real ugly up close. The game is fun, no doubt about that but it crashed once I fast travel and I have a pretty hefty machine with everything up to date. Again, a trip to the internet and I found out about Skyrim's memory leaks and the fact that, in this day and age, it used no more than 2 GB of ram. Now that is just pissing on the gamers themselves.

In the first weeks since Skyrim's release, the modding community had to fix the memory leaks, give the game actual 2011 textures, better skins, better controls, better shaders, the ability to use more than 2 GB of ram, the ability to tweak the game graphically(options that are standard in pc gaming since at least 10 years ago). Skyrim is now a much much better product on the pc and no thanks to Bethesda. Now I ask you, why couldn't Bethesda give us this game from the get go? Simple answer: because it didn't care, it was too busy pandering to the console crowd. I bought Skyrim, I enjoyed it but on the pc it could have been so much more. It's a shame that as pc gamers we have to fix the damn games we buy and we're not talking about a indie game here.

You talk about challenge in Skyrim and how pc gamers abused the console commands. Skyrim has very few challenging moments. I clocked around 100 hours on it and I played on MASTER, yet I died only against a few challenging foes. The game is pretty damn easy when playing on standard difficulty and becomes incredibly easy to abuse(see examples online if you don't believe me, with builds that can wreck even powerful foes in 1-2 hits). I do know one thing about the pc version, I can use the console to move quests forward when the inevitable Bethesda bugs show up. Can you?

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I hate the argument that "oh if you did this this and this then it's easy"!
Well some of us would just like to switch on a device and insert a game and go in under 30 seconds. None of this "minimum spec" crap or having to spend half a day configuring my system to play it.

Hence my original statement:

If you want to swap complexity for homogenized comfort, we won't stop you.

That's sort of why I put it.

 

[Fishyash]

Yup, having to put effort to get a game to work is a very valid criticism IMO for PC gaming. If you don't feel it's worth the time, then I don't see any reason as to why you wouldn't prefer a console over a PC. Just two things though about your post that I wanted to respond to in particular.

SWTOR ended up sucking anyways no thanks to it being a rip off clone to an MMO that's over seven years old and shouldn't matter anymore. And since Diablo 3 isn't coming to any console, I say I care less to that too.

I'm assuming you're talking about WoW, in which WoW stole the format from Everquest. Similar to WoW is a valid reason to not want to play the game (and is why I won't be buying it) but it is simply wrong to call it a rip-off of a rip-off.

Also, diablo 3 WILL be coming to consoles.

EDIT: And also, one more thing. Can people stop thinking that there is some omnipotent "PC gaming community" that thinks you are all "retard console trash"? There is no such thing. Those kind of people are either being satirical or are a small group of jackasses.

 

[enzilewulf]

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

As opposed to being thrown into what is known as the PC elitist?

Yeah I'm right there with you OP. Only game I even bother with on PC is Civ and SW:TOR.

You're making a much bigger deal out of this than what it actually is, you're acting like you've killed a child.

You might as well if your announcing something that is opposed to PC gaming on the Escapist.

Oh please the Escapist is just as full of console gamers with a persecution complex who think that every fucking PC gamer is out to get them as it is PC gamers who are elitist. Thinking otherwise, is ridiculous. I do like how it is ok to bash PC gamers on this forum for being elitist for even saying anything remotely like this point about PC gaming is better but no one takes note of console gaming elitists or martyrs.

The amount of hyperbole that comes out of these threads is staggering as well as the elitism and idiocy on both sides and I fail to see why people only see PC gamers at fault just because of a little prejudiced stigma. Yes Elitist(PC gaming shit group) do exist on PC and are vocal but so are shit groups on consoles.

I see PC gamers on the forum all the time saying how PC gaming is so superior because of the graphics and it has mods. They always frown upon consoles and to that I can gladly tell them to fuck right off. I really don't see as much elitism from console fan boys on this site. PC elitism how ever is through the fucking roof.

I use all the current consoles and my PC for gaming, I don't see what the big deal is. I agree with you though that both sides are pretty idiotic. I am just sick of the Elitism that is on these forums when it comes to PC gaming. Its all I have seen for the number of years I have been here.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

As opposed to being thrown into what is known as the PC elitist?

Yeah I'm right there with you OP. Only game I even bother with on PC is Civ and SW:TOR.

You're making a much bigger deal out of this than what it actually is, you're acting like you've killed a child.

You might as well if your announcing something that is opposed to PC gaming on the Escapist.

Oh please the Escapist is just as full of console gamers with a persecution complex who think that every fucking PC gamer is out to get them as it is PC gamers who are elitist. Thinking otherwise, is ridiculous. I do like how it is ok to bash PC gamers on this forum for being elitist for even saying anything remotely like this point about PC gaming is better but no one takes note of console gaming elitists or martyrs.

The amount of hyperbole that comes out of these threads is staggering as well as the elitism and idiocy on both sides and I fail to see why people only see PC gamers at fault just because of a little prejudiced stigma. Yes Elitist(PC gaming shit group) do exist on PC and are vocal but so are shit groups on consoles.

I see PC gamers on the forum all the time saying how PC gaming is so superior because of the graphics and it has mods. They always frown upon consoles and to that I can gladly tell them to fuck right off. I really don't see as much elitism from console fan boys on this site. PC elitism how ever is through the fucking roof.

I use all the current consoles and my PC for gaming, I don't see what the big deal is. I agree with you though that both sides are pretty idiotic. I am just sick of the Elitism that is on these forums when it comes to PC gaming. Its all I have seen for the number of years I have been here.

That is why PC gaming is better than console gaming in those ways. People are hardly going to be saying that PC is superior in any of the following ways ease of use, troubleshooting and accessibility now are they? It is not elitist to point out a way in which one platform is better than another. PC games even ones that are console ports do have better graphics and PCs do have mods which is better than consoles which almost completely lack mods aside from LBP and Halo Forge so yes that is also a superiority.

Same as no one will say the KB+M is superior for Fighting games, 3d Platformers and others that would be a fucking ridiculous notion. There is nothing elitist about either side pointing out a pro of the platform.

If you go looking for a group you will find it and I have been on this site for just as long if not more and there is an equal amount of bitching and bullshit on both sides and I have to say that there is a console martyr or other misinformed person ready to spread a large number of awful rumours about PC gaming. For example, ?2,000+ PCs, need to upgrade every other year, costs more than consoles(start up and short term it does but it balances out in the long term and can be cheaper depending on how many new games you buy).

Personally, more people on this site spout crap about PC games and if any person did otherwise that I see while going through a thread I have and others have in the past told them to stop being elitist and trollish. Although recently I have just completely ignored such people.

Edit in bold. Sounds a bit dodgy without that bit in bold.

 

[Jodah]

My first reaction: If so many games are having so many problems, then there is something very wrong with your computer. I can't say I have had that experience. I regularly update my drivers, and keep things up to date, which isn't much of a bother. The only times I have problems is when I try something that has more risk than payoff, or when a game is officially unstable.

I don't blame you for not trying anymore. But if you have the resources, get a new one. Now I'm assuming your said computer is seven years old, that's a long time for any electronic piece of equipment. Sometimes getting new is the only option.

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

Me, it's necessary for music and hearing footsteps.

This. The only time I have problems are with really old games (90s or sometimes early 00s) and I don't even update my drivers regularly. Anytime I do have a problem its a 10 second google search and fix away.

 

[predatorpulse7]

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

As opposed to being thrown into what is known as the PC elitist?

Yeah I'm right there with you OP. Only game I even bother with on PC is Civ and SW:TOR.

You're making a much bigger deal out of this than what it actually is, you're acting like you've killed a child.

You might as well if your announcing something that is opposed to PC gaming on the Escapist.

Oh please the Escapist is just as full of console gamers with a persecution complex who think that every fucking PC gamer is out to get them as it is PC gamers who are elitist. Thinking otherwise, is ridiculous. I do like how it is ok to bash PC gamers on this forum for being elitist for even saying anything remotely like this point about PC gaming is better but no one takes note of console gaming elitists or martyrs.

The amount of hyperbole that comes out of these threads is staggering as well as the elitism and idiocy on both sides and I fail to see why people only see PC gamers at fault just because of a little prejudiced stigma. Yes Elitist(PC gaming shit group) do exist on PC and are vocal but so are shit groups on consoles.

I see PC gamers on the forum all the time saying how PC gaming is so superior because of the graphics and it has mods. They always frown upon consoles and to that I can gladly tell them to fuck right off. I really don't see as much elitism from console fan boys on this site. PC elitism how ever is through the fucking roof.

I use all the current consoles and my PC for gaming, I don't see what the big deal is. I agree with you though that both sides are pretty idiotic. I am just sick of the Elitism that is on these forums when it comes to PC gaming. Its all I have seen for the number of years I have been here.

That is why PC gaming is better than console gaming. People are hardly going to be saying that PC is superior in any of the following ways ease of use, troubleshooting and accessibility now are they? It is not elitist to point out a way in which one platform is better than another. PC games even ones that are console ports do have better graphics and PCs do have mods which is better than consoles which almost completely lack mods aside from LBP and Halo Forge so yes that is also a superiority.

Same as no one will say the KB+M is superior for Fighting games, 3d Platformers and others that would be a fucking ridiculous notion. There is nothing elitist about either side pointing out a pro of the platform.

If you go looking for a group you will find it and I have been on this site for just as long if not more and there is an equal amount of bitching and bullshit on both sides and I have to say that there is a console martyr or other misinformed person ready to spread a large number of awful rumours about PC gaming. For example, ?2,000+ PCs, need to upgrade every other year, costs more than consoles(start up and short term it does but it balances out in the long term and can be cheaper depending on how many new games you buy).

Personally, more people on this site spout crap about PC games and if any person did otherwise that I see while going through a thread I have and others have in the past told them to stop being elitist and trollish. Although recently I have just completely ignored such people.

I would just like to say thank you for writing this reply up and saving me the trouble of doing it myself. I find it quite sad to see how uninformed about pc gaming many people are.
So many people like to spout BS about stuff that they don't know and when they get shot down with arguments(and in my experience most PC gamers are more informed about tech than the average console owner though not to the extent that some here like to push to make themselves look elite) they resort to calling you elitist since they have no other arguments.

Everybody can game on whatever they like but there are certain objective realities to the gaming platforms at hand.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Arguments, I guess?

I don't understand your problem, Nomanslander. Keeping a PC in top shape for gaming is excessively easy. You just have to:

1. check on your graphics card drivers once or twice a year;
2. check on your sound card drivers (if applicable) once every five years;
3. defrag your hard drive once a month;
4. try and generally memorize your specs, so you don't accidentally buy a game that'll under-perform on your current rig;
5. format your rig once a year. Restarting from scratch, if you have all your drivers at hand, only takes a few hours.

Also, gaming with your antivirus software active is generally a bad idea. Not every AV engine is bloatware like Norton, but games are designed from the ground up to be rather greedy and exclusive in their relationship with your hardware. For this reason, unless you're surfing the Web and gaming at the same time, you should always deactivate your AV service while playing.

If all else fails and you need to buy a new rig, then never, EVER pay attention to anyone who tells you a decent gaming PC will run you short of a few thousand bucks. A lot of PC hardware store offer gamer-oriented packages at roughly the price of a current-gen console, with the added benefit of a much longer lifespan than your Xbox or PS3.

It all boils down to cultivating a few healthy habits as a PC user. You've admitted that you're not really computer-savvy if I'm not mistaken, and I'd tell you that this kind of attitude won't solve your problem. I can tweak my BIOS, assign drive letters and formats and generally set up a LAN-ready network over the course of a weekend. My buds and I treat refurbing one another's PCs like it's some sort of excuse to grab a beer and shoot the shit. It's really not as complicated as it seems, and going from a complete tech-related ignoramus to the family's resident IT specialist only took me three weeks.

Find a good starter-level computer class and go from there. You'll probably feel humiliated while the teacher goes over the bare-bones basics ("This is the Power button, we won't touch it until next week!") but you'll kiss the ground he walks on once he demystifies the whole physical and software installation processes.

Finally, go for clones. Dell and Alienware might offer plug-and-play packages, but you'll want and need all the control you could possibly have. These brand-name PCs are only one or two steps away from functioning like consoles, as far as customer service is concerned, which is awful.

As to your decision to go console-exclusive... You won't find any peace and quiet in these waters, I'm afraid. Consoles are turning into living-room dedicated and entertainment-focused computers as it is, and the fairly sturdy hardware of yesteryear's all gone in favour of cheaply produced hardware and software that locks up, gets corrupted or locks the user out mistakenly just as much as any other PC.

If you're expecting to find solace with a controller in your hands, you'll be sorely mistaken.

 

[Micalas]

Like I said, you guys can call me a PC half wit if you want. Tar and feather me, drag me to center of town square and have little children and e-trolls throw peanuts and rocks at me for their amusement. I don't care.

Fuck PC gaming, I quit. Oh and I mean my Realtek driver for Bioshock, just isn't....you know, I'm not even going to go there..lol

Dude. Sometimes people just want to plug in a machine to a screen, put in a game and have it... work. Whether you believe it for not, PC gamers aren't those people.

I stand adamantly by that PC gaming is a hobby that should - and often does - encompass all aspects of PC technology. A PC gamer should know the ins and outs of their machines, they should relish upgrading and building computers, they should be as good with the electronics as they are with the final output.

A lot of PC gamers aren't, and they're "PC gamers" because they want shinier games at higher resolutions with the comfort of mouse and keyboard control. And that's fine. But at the end of a day, a PC gamer really should love more than that. It should be a time-consuming, difficult hobby. There's a reason console gaming still exists despite PCs being built that are better than consoles on the market, and it's this very reason - PC gaming is hard. And giving up is no more a sign of defeat than it is just an indication that PC gaming isn't for you.

This! I bought a nice HP for $1300 about 5 years ago for gaming and it did what it needed to do but I wanted more than that. I'm pretty knowledgeble about computers but I didn't trust myself to build one. I didn't want to build up a static charge and rape every piece of hardware I touched. I got over it about 7 months ago, bought some top of the range hardware and put together a killer machine for about $1000. It was a barebones kit rather than just buying individual pieces but the pride I got from putting it together and learning more about all of the components has convinced me that next time I will easily be able to buy what I want without being at the mercy of a barebones kit.

That great kind of frustrating came back two weeks ago when I was trying to install The Old Republic. Let it be known that it is the shittiest installer I have ever seen. After a bit of research I found out that the BioWare's servers were doing something really stupid and that when you downloaded the files there were bound to be errors with them. The repair tool didn't help because when you tried to repair it would try to re-acquire all of the files rather than just the corrupted ones.

I found the server download links and downloaded each one individually; matching the MD5 checksums until it all matched up and then loaded them. It was glorious!

 

[Erttheking]

You do know that being a console gamer is an embarrassment. And you will be thrown in with the crowds of frat-boy CoD players, and be despised by pretty much everyone.

Also, who uses a sound card anymore?

...way to sound like a total jerk.