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Well I wasn't going to post it on here but fuck it I'm bored. I made a sheet talking about what my character thinks about the other.

note: He hasn't seen the other after the ship crashed so you guys only know him as a jackass before we see each other again in the game.

Taumel, The Reshaper: she never said a word but he know pain she was going through. Bolt feels pity for her even if she a ***** sometimes

Daemon the Destroyer: doesn't know him. wasn't on the ship.

Ar'Guran, Prince of Corruption: The closet think he had to a friend back when Bolt knew nothing but hate like Ar'Guran did. He has not seen him since they escaped but he fear the worst for his sanity.

Arora, the Heartfire: a person that helped him along who seemed to take lot of the pain in stride. he has nothing but respect for her.

Venari: He find nothing wrong with him and nether talk to each other but his hate for machines made him despise Venari.

Gi'zeal The Obsessed: he saw him as an asshole with a shit eating grin that try to make him do all his work.

Leilani, the Heavenly Flower: he saw nothing special about her when he was on the ship but when he started to appreciate nature he grow to love her and wants to meet her again.

Thumero: a weird guy in armor that refused to let Bolt touch him and acted strange around bolt and others like he could read there minds or something.

If any of you have a problem with this sheet I can change it.
edit: added Thumero
Please, don't use the word *****. I've heard that way too much. Daemon isn't being considered as an applicant because of past experiences with the player in question.

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Gods this has taken me far too long to compile.If there's still time, here's a godgame app submitted for your approval.

Name: Thumero

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Backstory: Thumero could barely recall where he came from exactly; there were mountains all around him blotting out the suns, and the air felt dry and scathing to breathe. He was certain that there were not others like him, and that he lived deep underground. Sometimes he would encounter strange creatures who would try to kill him in his attempts to find sustenance. There were times where he found an odd watering hole with multicolored fluids. Over the days he noticed a change in his body. Originally he was hardy, strong, and swift of feet; and now he felt sluggish and easily winded. Yet he managed to do things with his head that he never knew he could; move things, read the minds of the creatures, get visions of other areas nearby, and others he did not fully understand. The more he drank that water, the more weak his body got, and the more diverse and stronger his powers got.

The day came when the surface creatures invaded his home and cornered him. He was so weak physically that he could not defend himself or evade them. That day should have been Thumero's last, and yet there was an intervention. A third party came upon the encounter far below the surface and with curiosity over Thumero and his powers, they killed his hunters and took him captive. They would inject him with chemicals, graft armor on him, and push his powers to their limit. The process had damaged his memory and things began to blur together as his powers developed further. When he found his chance to leave this all behind he took it without blinking. For the first time in what felt like forever Thumero was free again though very different from when he was back home.

Domain: +4(starting) [Psionics] - Since the time he drank from that varicolored water, he had mental powers that had manifested in myriad ways, and the aliens' experiments and treatment had only made that mental flower bloom. He could feel the presence of any living being from a radius, view the entire world from his mind, even manipulate objects far larger than he was. His mind is as open with new possibilities much like this new world.

Drawback: -2 [Frail] - The armor he wears hides a malnourished and weakened body, and even that does not protect him against damage or the conditions of his environment. Granted he would probably die without the armor due to the experiments he was submitted to yet the modifications only open him to greater hardships.

Core Values: Self-identity, survival, and will

What you want out of godgame: Adventure in a foreign world.
It looks good to me, even if now we get two gods with psionics as starting domains. I don't think that will be a problem though, as long as they don't chose the same domains later on too.

Reading the minds of other gods would be counted as any normal attack. There would be defense and offense rolls for it. They'd definitely notice it. It's something Taumel could potentially do as well.

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a nature goddess that reminds me of another character from a different RP
I think I know who you mean. XD I was a bit surprised when Lily showed me her character, considering how similar it was.

Also, I'll start this on sunday most likely. I've got some 1x1s starting up that's been in the planning stage too long, plus real life with school and volunteer work.
 

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Sehnsucht Engel said:
tf2godz said:
Well I wasn't going to post it on here but fuck it I'm bored. I made a sheet talking about what my character thinks about the other.

note: He hasn't seen the other after the ship crashed so you guys only know him as a jackass before we see each other again in the game.

Taumel, The Reshaper: she never said a word but he know pain she was going through. Bolt feels pity for her even if she a ***** sometimes

Daemon the Destroyer: doesn't know him. wasn't on the ship.

Ar'Guran, Prince of Corruption: The closet think he had to a friend back when Bolt knew nothing but hate like Ar'Guran did. He has not seen him since they escaped but he fear the worst for his sanity.

Arora, the Heartfire: a person that helped him along who seemed to take lot of the pain in stride. he has nothing but respect for her.

Venari: He find nothing wrong with him and nether talk to each other but his hate for machines made him despise Venari.

Gi'zeal The Obsessed: he saw him as an asshole with a shit eating grin that try to make him do all his work.

Leilani, the Heavenly Flower: he saw nothing special about her when he was on the ship but when he started to appreciate nature he grow to love her and wants to meet her again.

Thumero: a weird guy in armor that refused to let Bolt touch him and acted strange around bolt and others like he could read there minds or something.

If any of you have a problem with this sheet I can change it.
edit: added Thumero
Please, don't use the word *****. I've heard that way too much. Daemon isn't being considered as an applicant because of past experiences with the player in question.
Sorry about that. It also sad that Daemon is out of the game I liked his character.

Doc Gnosis said:
This has been an interesting read in terms of identity and interaction between characters. Considering the options and varied powers and foibles each god has, I half wonder where things will even begin with this group. There's our would-be trickster, two gods hell-bent on dominion and corruption respectively, a bringer of love, a nature goddess that reminds me of another character from a different RP, a weather god that's aspiring to be far more than just what it is - I think. I half wonder how interactions will start.

Would any of your characters may be into the idea of seeing the world and what things that dwell on, or in it?
Bolt's goal is to restore Genesis to it former glory and destroy the monster that destroyed it in the first place. sorry if i didn't make the clear.
 

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My guy isn't hell bent on corruption, he doesn't want to corrupt the whole world. But he does not want to be under another's control and any who feel that way and have no worry about the other aspect are one of the things that will be drawn to him, as well as those who want to be able to corrupt others and things.

Since he is a dragon as well a hoard is semi important to him, but he is less worried and interested in good or wealth and more in things. Like, different kinds of things that have been effected by his corruption. That is why he may go searching the world, to collect new things. Even if he can make anything he wants it is more interesting to change or take things already there and I don't the mutations that follow.

When I say evil as he needs to be I mean he is lawful evil, he has a code and rule book and follows it. Also willing to let others follow theirs as long as it does not go against him or anything that is his. The nature god shouldn't have a huge problem with me, since he would be changing nature but only into another form.
I don't remember all the gods and I considered a sheet saying how I reacted with them before on the ship but I decided I wanted it to happen in game.


Please ignore mistakes here, this was done on a iPod and I'm half asleep ill fix any I find when I wake up.
 

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Thomas Barnsley said:
"He could feel the presence of any living being from a radius, view the entire world from his mind..."
If you look at the actions section of the rules, there's an action called scrying, which is basically what you describe in the quote. My point is that technically all gods can already do this. I thought it best to point that out to you just in case you didn't know already.
It might be that he gains some sort of advantage to this in a short radius, I can think of some kind of this applying to all our gods. Like Arora being able to sense the Love of sentients at some distance or Venari being able to supernaturally track prey. but of course this is up to the GM.

Also, speaking to everyone, I was thinking about domains a bit more. Mainly about how they cross over; take Gi'zeal and Arora for example. Their respective domains are Need and Love. Because Chicken and I have pretty much agreed that these two gods aren't going to get along, I began wondering what would happen if they fought, and I came up with one aspect of mortal life that I figured they'd tie on.
Sex.
Two mortals courting for or undergoing sex would be experiencing sexual desire, which is both a need AND an aspect of love. One would therefore think that such mortals would be influenced by both gods in equal measure. There would be exceptions; rape and prostitution would not constitute love, so Arora loses out there, however intentionally trying to conceive a child would probably be more of a conscious act of love in which Gi'zeal would have little part.
Is that how it works, do you think?
I was going to comment on the overlap between our domains, and how this could be used for mutual good or destruction.
and you've pretty accurately summed up half of it but I would disagree on the particulars Love for procreation could be classed a lot more as a biological need, while prostitution or at least patronage of prostitution could be motivated by love or a desire for it. I think the difference is "lust" verses "love" while Arora controls both I think Gi'zeal would only have power over the former.


and I think there are a few more overlap cases than that. Un-reciprocated love could easily be exploited by Gi'zeal (think crazy stalker). Selfish and Abusive love; a desire or need to control a partner, and I think anyone who is not loved but want's to be loved and accepted is fair game for both.

as the love between sentients in these overlaps are a lot closer to the core of Arora's domain she would have the advantage.

also a conflict in some of these overlap regions could get really... ugly. So personally I think I'm going to try to avoid it, no situation can be improved with the addition of rape.
 

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Methodia Chicken said:
I was going to comment on the overlap between our domains, and how this could be used for mutual good or destruction.
and you've pretty accurately summed up half of it but I would disagree on the particulars Love for procreation could be classed a lot more as a biological need, while prostitution or at least patronage of prostitution could be motivated by love or a desire for it. I think the difference is "lust" verses "love" while Arora controls both I think Gi'zeal would only have power over the former.
See the way I thought of it more like this; prostitution does not involve love, it is payment in exchange for fulfillment of a need, whereas having a kid is something that happens when mummy and daddy love each other very much, it isn't something they need to do. Well, I guess you could say that they NEED to have sex in order to have a kid, but that's in the same way that you NEED to turn a doorknob if you want to open a door, and I don't think that's the type of need Gi'zeal is all about.
Basically, using what you said, you go to a prostitute to satisfy LUST, and you have a kid to satisfy LOVE.

I guess you could see it either way. Which probably makes this discussion all the more important, since we don't want to find ourselves confused down the track, amiright?!
 

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Sehnsucht Engel said:
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I wasn't quoted here so I didn't follow what went on between you and the other potential players. Is there anything in particular I should be aware of? I'm reading the backlog at the moment.
 

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Thomas Barnsley said:
Methodia Chicken said:
I was going to comment on the overlap between our domains, and how this could be used for mutual good or destruction.
and you've pretty accurately summed up half of it but I would disagree on the particulars Love for procreation could be classed a lot more as a biological need, while prostitution or at least patronage of prostitution could be motivated by love or a desire for it. I think the difference is "lust" verses "love" while Arora controls both I think Gi'zeal would only have power over the former.
See the way I thought of it more like this; prostitution does not involve love, it is payment in exchange for fulfillment of a need, whereas having a kid is something that happens when mummy and daddy love each other very much, it isn't something they need to do. Well, I guess you could say that they NEED to have sex in order to have a kid, but that's in the same way that you NEED to turn a doorknob if you want to open a door, and I don't think that's the type of need Gi'zeal is all about.
Basically, using what you said, you go to a prostitute to satisfy LUST, and you have a kid to satisfy LOVE.

I guess you could see it either way. Which probably makes this discussion all the more important, since we don't want to find ourselves confused down the track, amiright?!
Yeah It's dawning on me that this could rapidly become a huge philosophical problem of "what is love", and I don't want to have to reference Socrates or Darwin to sort out our disputes either.

I think the difference is in motive. an animal wanting to have a child would be just following an instinctual drive to reproduce, whereas a loving couple wanting to bring a child into that love would obviously be from a place of sharing or expanding a family. (I misinterpreted the first time and sort of thought you meant all reproduction). with prostitutes the problem gets complicated as the prostitute is doing it assuming purely out of a lack or need for money so nothing for Arora there... but people who go to them could be motivated by all kinds of things including loneliness (A lack of love which potentially Arora could provide).

But as a rule I think it should be determined by what the "love" in question is closest to.
if it resembles Disney style true love (You complete me, I'd never leave you behind buddy, the ending to every toy story movie ...e.c.t) its Arora's domain.
If its more a love out of (unfulfilled) selfish desire or biological need (I want you now! no, you are mine! any line ever uttered by Yuno Gasai ...e.c.t) Gi'zeal's got some power there (though not as much).
 

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Sehnsucht Engel said:
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I'm betting on you ignoring me altogether. I don't know what you're talking about. PM messages don't seem to work. I've tried sending you a couple. I want to inquire why you disqualified me. Answer me privately.
 

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Methodia Chicken said:
Yeah It's dawning on me that this could rapidly become a huge philosophical problem of "what is love", and I don't want to have to reference Socrates or Darwin to sort out our disputes either.

I think the difference is in motive. an animal wanting to have a child would be just following an instinctual drive to reproduce, whereas a loving couple wanting to bring a child into that love would obviously be from a place of sharing or expanding a family. (I misinterpreted the first time and sort of thought you meant all reproduction). with prostitutes the problem gets complicated as the prostitute is doing it assuming purely out of a lack or need for money so nothing for Arora there... but people who go to them could be motivated by all kinds of things including loneliness (A lack of love which potentially Arora could provide).

But as a rule I think it should be determined by what the "love" in question is closest to.
if it resembles Disney style true love (You complete me, I'd never leave you behind buddy, the ending to every toy story movie ...e.c.t) its Arora's domain.
If its more a love out of (unfulfilled) selfish desire or biological need (I want you now! no, you are mine! any line ever uttered by Yuno Gasai ...e.c.t) Gi'zeal's got some power there (though not as much).
Edit: uuugh, video isn't working. I was going to make a Jim Carrey 'What is love' joke.

Yeah I guess it won't be as simple as I was making it out to be after all! Makes me think that really it would be better to approach the issues as they come up, when the situation we deal with has better defined details, such as motivation and circumstance.
Important to remember too, guys, that other characters will get this too. Leilani, Bolt, and Venari will probably overlap a fair bit, being nature, weather, and hunting respectively. Maybe wind would be an example of a threeway overlap; wind disperses seeds of nature, wind is... Well, wind pretty much IS weather, and wind helps with falcon hunting and such. Bold probably has the strongest claim in this specific situation, but you get the idea.
 

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Throwing my two cents in, there's always the option to treat love the way you would treat a cosmic entity: an otherworldly force that irrevocably changes all who are subject to it for better or worse, sometimes without people being aware of its changes. With a deity of love, you almost get someone who could regard mortals the way you would regard game pieces or a mild source of entertainment for the aforementioned deity. Oh, also...

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I would say the god who that interest is most applicable to would be Leilani, being a nature person, and Venari, being a hunter with an interest in figuring out how much of a machine he is. I'd imagine Thumero would be into that sort of thing as well, but you'd already know if that were true or not.
Possibly though I must say that Thumero wants to find himself if that makes any sense While the other gods know who they are, Thumero does not have that sense of identity and craves that certainty; as an aside in the long term he might be jealous over gods who are so certain of themselves. A lot of his memories are damaged and blurred, and he's uncertain if he was an animal or sentient being before the aliens did what they did to him. It's not impossible for him to discern whether he is a machine - his mind is a dark ocean at this point - but he just wants something to occupy him whether it's adventure, war, love, the world, or something even tinier than that.
 

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Doc Gnosis said:
Throwing my two cents in, there's always the option to treat love the way you would treat a cosmic entity: an otherworldly force that irrevocably changes all who are subject to it for better or worse, sometimes without people being aware of its changes. With a deity of love, you almost get someone who could regard mortals the way you would regard game pieces or a mild source of entertainment for the aforementioned deity.
That is basically how I was looking at it. What Chicken and I were discussing was how we decide where the otherworldly cosmic entity of love ends, and where the otherworldly cosmic entity of need begins. We figured it lies somewhere around sex; the focus of the discussion was where specifically. Weird topic, looking back on it, but interesting. Most interesting topics are at least somewhat weird.

Anyway, is that what you meant? Hopefully I didn't misunderstand you or anything.
 

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Thomas Barnsley said:
That is basically how I was looking at it. What Chicken and I were discussing was how we decide where the otherworldly cosmic entity of love ends, and where the otherworldly cosmic entity of need begins. We figured it lies somewhere around sex; the focus of the discussion was where specifically. Weird topic, looking back on it, but interesting. Most interesting topics are at least somewhat weird.

Anyway, is that what you meant? Hopefully I didn't misunderstand you or anything.
What about entropy or scarcity? One could describe need as acknowledging something vital that is absent. Things generally deplete over time and eventually run out without anything to renew it. There are needs like hunger, freedom from bondage, self-actualization, health which one could not live well without. Other things by contrast are more an act of recreation or self-amusement. Indulging in the topic of sex itself, the task meanwhile is more recreational and more of a want than a need; while one could affix a 'need' to sex by proxy of keeping life going, people generally treat it as an activity than anything else. You could draw a line between indulgence and purpose in regards to sex. Looking at who the act of sex is for - i.e. yourself, another, or both - may also be another suggestion.

I hope I'm not missing the point either.
 

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Sehnsucht Engel said:
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I wasn't quoted here so I didn't follow what went on between you and the other potential players. Is there anything in particular I should be aware of? I'm reading the backlog at the moment.
Pretty sure you saw the post where he mentioned why you weren't being considered, but in case you didn't. This is what Engel said:

Please, don't use the word *****. I've heard that way too much. Daemon isn't being considered as an applicant because of past experiences with the player in question.


So not sure exactly what happened between you two in the past, but it seems they have been bad experiences. So for the sake of this godgame rp, it would be better if you didn't join so you don't annoy Engel, me, and the other players involved.
 

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Doc Gnosis said:
Thomas Barnsley said:
That is basically how I was looking at it. What Chicken and I were discussing was how we decide where the otherworldly cosmic entity of love ends, and where the otherworldly cosmic entity of need begins. We figured it lies somewhere around sex; the focus of the discussion was where specifically. Weird topic, looking back on it, but interesting. Most interesting topics are at least somewhat weird.

Anyway, is that what you meant? Hopefully I didn't misunderstand you or anything.
What about entropy or scarcity? One could describe need as acknowledging something vital that is absent. Things generally deplete over time and eventually run out without anything to renew it. There are needs like hunger, freedom from bondage, self-actualization, health which one could not live well without. Other things by contrast are more an act of recreation or self-amusement. Indulging in the topic of sex itself, the task meanwhile is more recreational and more of a want than a need; while one could affix a 'need' to sex by proxy of keeping life going, people generally treat it as an activity than anything else. You could draw a line between indulgence and purpose in regards to sex. Looking at who the act of sex is for - i.e. yourself, another, or both - may also be another suggestion.

I hope I'm not missing the point either.
Ok I might as well be honest, I don't understand what you're talking about here. Maybe we're both missing the points we're aiming for; perhaps these points are the same point! Let me try to clarify:

Are you trying to suggest a different approach to our thinking with regards to our domains? Or is your suggestion more specifically focused on the overlap of domains, and how to solve any problems that might arise?

You mention entropy. I can vaguely see how that relates to need; if things didn't disappear or deplete then people would never need anything. However, I cannot work out why you brought it up.

Anyway, maybe a bit of clarification might be nice. I did actually get a bit carried away and wrote the following:
You also discuss sex as more of a want than a need. Well, I would say the difference between a want and a need is nothing more than how any want or need might function as a prerequisite for something else. That probably made very little sense, and for that I apologise. I shall give an example that might make more sense...
Most people would say that humans NEED the following; food, water, oxygen, and an amiable environment (ie, not the vacuum of space). Everything else, including sex, is a want. HOWEVER, technically those needs I mentioned are only needed if you don't want to die. Notice the key term; 'don't WANT to die'. If someone doesn't mind dying (maybe because they're extreme nihilists or something, doesn't matter) then food, water, etc merely become wants. You only NEED these things if you want to not die.
In other words, something is only a need if it is a prerequisite for attaining or maintaining something that would be regarded as essential. If you do not regard this something as essential, it is not a need.
So, what is sex? Depends how essential you regard the thing it attains. In the case of sex, one would do so to attain SATISFACTION of a basic instinct. If the fulfillment of basic instincts are regarded as essential, then sex becomes a need. If you do not regard this as essential, which you seem to, sex is a want.
This is where opinion comes in.
You don't really need to read it, I just decided to include it for the sake of not wasting all the time I spent writing it.

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Brave New World!! the story of Gods, vengeance, rebirth and theological ideas about LOVVVVVVVVVE!!!!....sorry
I am planning to use theological ideas about LOVVVVVVVVE to win this game. I shall therefore take them VERY seriously.
 

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I think this could go to very distant very complicated places. I mostly agree with the way Thomas has interpreted it, the "needs" I refer to meaning overpowering desires and impulses (I mentioned vengeance as one in my character sheet) not dependencies on certain things to live. fulfillment of basic instincts would be the most basic and core but it covers emotional needs too. I think I may have used the wrong terminology if that has confused anyone but I couldn't think of a more succinct word at the time.
and the idea of love as a cosmic force is a good one, I see Arora as controlling the force itself while Gi'zeal can influence some of it's effects and some of those effected.

also I have no idea why Gi'zeal or Arora would try to attack one another in an area where the other was strongest, but it could happen, so in terms of conflicts were we are equally matched in Love I think it would be easiest if we handled things on a case by case basis.
but in terms of sex I propose this:

Sex for trivial enjoyment - neither
Sex for continuation of the species - Arora, Gi'zeal, Leilani
Sex to expand a loving family - Arora
Sex for enjoyment as product of love - Arora
Strong sexual desire absent of love - Gi'zeal
 

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Just to cloud the issue more, somewhere in there I'm added into it also. This is not to say that i condone this act or like it but forcibly taking it would come under corruption, and would be given to me and to need also.

I am saying this because i made sure to say that all types of corruption fall under my domain, physical and other more fickle types that count as corrupting others in ways and even if something is corrupted such as bad food.

I know I'm making this even more complicated but i felt like i should because this is an interesting conversation and all in all it shows that many of those i will be playing with are those who have a good mind and i know i will enjoy playing around and with them.
 

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Just to cloud the issue more, somewhere in there I'm added into it also. This is not to say that i condone this act or like it but forcibly taking it would come under corruption, and would be given to me and to need also.

I am saying this because i made sure to say that all types of corruption fall under my domain, physical and other more fickle types that count as corrupting others in ways and even if something is corrupted such as bad food.

I know I'm making this even more complicated but i felt like i should because this is an interesting conversation and all in all it shows that many of those i will be playing with are those who have a good mind and i know i will enjoy playing around and with them.
That is a good point, I didn't consider corruption in sex. I think the area where corruption is most dominant would be in STDs, which physically corrupt the body. Maybe also prostitution and rape as well, since they are corruptions of society and the mind. You could debatably include some forms of BDSM as well...

ANYWAY, I vote a change of subject. I was thinking before about religion on earth; specifically the difference between pantheons, like those of the Roman, Egyptian, and Norse gods, and monotheism. I was wondering how our patron mortals will structure their religion. For example, will the plantfolk of Leilani believe in the existence of Gi'zeal without worshipping him? Or would they mistakenly consider Gi'zeal a false god? Are our gods a pantheon for all species, or a lot of separate 'one and only' gods? I personally prefer the idea of a pantheon.
 

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In terms of a pantheon I think a lot will be seen during play as we haven't actually interacted with mortals yet, belief in gods will probably be based on exposure to and the spread of tales about their actions.
But theres no reason not to belive in multiple gods if you hear stories about them or they actually show up on their doorstep, so a polytheism seems the most likely. then again Some gods could of course impose a "No gods before me!" or "all other gods are but an aspect of myself" rule on their specific peoples too.

The world knows nothing of us currently so I would say right now it's pantheon would be comparable to the pantheon of Richard Dawkins. minus Richard Dawkins.
 

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Another matter that should be considered is whether or not we will try to play our characters up as gods to any mortals we do encounter. As for how the would be pantheon may be built, I'd say it hinges on our actions to other mortals in either making them heroes, thralls, or just regarding them as a dinner guest.