pedophilia: double standard
- Thread starter knight steel
- Start date
Recommended Videos
I hold no double standard and in both cases the pedophile should be sent to prison. All further punishment would then be imposed by the prison population.knight steel said:
But, you are correct in your assessment that the majority of people have a double standard when it comes to that. And it's disgusting.
I don't think his premise was wrong entirely. Yes, there are women sex offenders out there and convictions in the realm do happen. But, like most things dealing with sex there remains a double standard in perception.geldonyetich said:
Gay scenes in movies between men are incredibly taboo and on the rare occasion that they occur there is an uproar associated with it. By contrast, plenty of movies deal with gay women or women experimenting with lesibianism and nobody bats an eyelash. The mere implication that a man has engaged in improper sexual behavior in the workplace is sufficient to ensure the man is fired unless bullet proof evidence to the contrary can be presented. By contrast, one must actually demonstrate considerable evidence of the same activity by women in order for a fuss to be raised. An act that is considered innapropriate when directed from a man to to a woman is often ignored when the roles are reversed.
The double standard certainly exists. Yes, the best of judges (and those who fill their place in other matters) will do their best to ignore such things and simply look at the facts presented but this doesn't alter the fact that the perception of these events varies by gender. When a man beats a woman there is an outrage. When a woman beats a man the common responses are "he probably had it coming" or "LOL"!
I agree completely good man (holds up glass) a toast to humanity being fucked up.oktalist said:
Pedophilia refers to any one under age also were not talking about the chance of the sex being consensual were talking about the reaction of the public about the sex when it's consensual and how different genders change that reaction and even if it was rape it does not change the double standard that the male pedophile is worse than the female.Lonan said:
It's a double standard in our heads. It's from the same opera as "there is not rape of males by females, cause guys always want sex".
But as a lawyer-in-training, I can tell you that legally it has no difference and I've seen cases of both gender go exactly the same way.
But as a lawyer-in-training, I can tell you that legally it has no difference and I've seen cases of both gender go exactly the same way.
Not everyone looks his or her age. Physical attraction can be deceitful. I agree with your first statement that chasing 13-15 year olds is bad and wrong for anyone over 18. However, I do not agree with your second statement at all. ANYONE above the age of 18? What about 19? Or 20? Is a relationship between a 19 year old man and 18 year old girl really "pushing it?"MasochisticMuse said:
My girlfriend sometimes looks VERY young and innocent, but she's older than me. And I look a fair bit older than I am when I grow my facial hair (always do). Some people might look at us and say, "What's that 30 year-old guy doing with that 15 year-old girl? That's sick." But of course, that would be a stupid conclusion on their part.
I know you meant purely in terms of actual age and not perceived age, but we don't all usually carry our birth certificate. If you're at a club, the IDs you see (assuming you even feel entitled/sober enough to ask for one before dating somebody) can be faked. A lot of the time outside of a school environment, we don't really know what somebody's actual age is, might feel strange asking and have to guess based on his or her appearance. I'm not in ANY WAY trying to excuse genuine pedophilia (which often happens in school anyway, where age IS known), just saying it's not so easy to figure age outside of a public school environment.
This, this, this this this. According to a police officer I knew, well over 40% of all rape charges he's investigated have turned up false. In most of those false cases, it was some whore that cheated on her boyfriend and then slapped charges on the other guy when she got caught. Rest of the time, it was some petty, vindictive ***** using law enforcement to get back at her ex.Azaraxzealot said:
OT: I was kind of hoping this would be a thread regarding the pedophile witch hunt going on in America. See? Your mind immediately went "why would he care, is he a pedophile?" That's the fucking problem.
Chances are the 13 year old boy would be "FUCK YEAH" while the 13 year old girl would be scarred for life. At 13 I had a REALLY hot female gym teacher. Everyone in the class stared at her ass the entire time. Seriously, kickboxing class was one of the best times in my school life..ahh.. Anyway, fact is, If that hot ass teacher tried to have sex with me at 13, I would have been all for it, seeing as most 13 year old boys already masturbate.
Girls on the other hand, tend to be much different at that age. Self conscious, unsure, etc etc.
And age can be very fooling these days. I remember seeing this really hot girl walking down the street one day, my buddy went to hit on her. He is 19, im turning 19 in 2 days. She was 14. We felt like setting ourselves on fire.
But it's seriously not our fault, she looked like she could have been older than me. She was about my friends height, and fully developed. She could have easily lied about her age (which ALOT of girls do) and taken him home, had sex with him, and then cried foul. And guess what? he would be in jail.
It's a scary place we live in, before I whip it out, im asking for ID now.
Girls on the other hand, tend to be much different at that age. Self conscious, unsure, etc etc.
And age can be very fooling these days. I remember seeing this really hot girl walking down the street one day, my buddy went to hit on her. He is 19, im turning 19 in 2 days. She was 14. We felt like setting ourselves on fire.
But it's seriously not our fault, she looked like she could have been older than me. She was about my friends height, and fully developed. She could have easily lied about her age (which ALOT of girls do) and taken him home, had sex with him, and then cried foul. And guess what? he would be in jail.
It's a scary place we live in, before I whip it out, im asking for ID now.
You've misunderstood me. I mean even an 18 year old being interested in a 13 year old is pushing it, not an of-age person dating an 18 year old. I see nothing wrong with an 18 year old dating a 19 year old, in fact in a couple months I will be in that exact situation. One or two years apart is inconsequential.Samurai Goomba said:
I was speaking purely about actual age. There's nothing wrong with being physically attracted to a 13 year old if s/he looks like s/he's 20, but if you pursue any sort of relationship with that person after finding out their real age (whether physical or emotional), then that's taking advantage of an inexperienced and naive person. I realize some young people have all the physical indicators of a sexually mature adult, but that doesn't mean it's okay to treat a child as a sexually mature adult.Samurai Goomba said:
And if a 13 year old looks like a 13 year old, there's simply no excuse.
I'm just saying, sometimes 13, 14 and 15 year-olds have been known to sneak into clubs and bars with fake ID, and a lot of guys (if the girl looks old enough) probably aren't going to ask for both her age and a couple forms of identification.MasochisticMuse said:
In school, however, and/or when the girl LOOKS her age, no excuse. Also, no excuse for rape at any age.
Edit: I just noticed you said "after finding out her age it would be wrong to pursue a relationship." That's very true, but some people might not find out in time if the girl is good at lying.
18 in most of the US. 13 with your new rule. In a sense, all these numbers are fairly arbitrary, but they reflect something basic enough to our perceptions of children that we don't question the arbitrary limits at all. Children, especially prepubescent and pubescent ones, are not the best predictors of consequences, in comparison to people of legal age. To be fair, there are plenty of people over the age of consent that don't show conscientiousness one would expect out of an adult, and there are plenty of people under the age of consent that are more conscientious than the average adult.
Still, the law of the land was made by people who think that one's missteps should be limited to that which one can gage the full consequences of. Age of consent laws are in place because, for the most part, people under the age of consent don't really think about the consequences of sex, and, for the most part, people over the age of consent do.
As far as pedophilia and statutory rape cases go, the male sex drive is both notorious and encouraged in this society, whereas the female sex drive is generally ignored and discouraged. The boy having sex with an older woman is "probably less likely that she lied or coerced him into it" than the girl having sex with an older man because a) the boy must have wanted it b) "If I were in his place, I would have wanted it" c) Girls don't want to have sex, so she must have been forced or lied to d) She would have to have been a slut to have sex with a guy that much older than her.
Still, the law of the land was made by people who think that one's missteps should be limited to that which one can gage the full consequences of. Age of consent laws are in place because, for the most part, people under the age of consent don't really think about the consequences of sex, and, for the most part, people over the age of consent do.
As far as pedophilia and statutory rape cases go, the male sex drive is both notorious and encouraged in this society, whereas the female sex drive is generally ignored and discouraged. The boy having sex with an older woman is "probably less likely that she lied or coerced him into it" than the girl having sex with an older man because a) the boy must have wanted it b) "If I were in his place, I would have wanted it" c) Girls don't want to have sex, so she must have been forced or lied to d) She would have to have been a slut to have sex with a guy that much older than her.
Speaking as someone who hasn't been 13 in 30 years... why would I want to do it with someone my own age, who knows as little about sex as I do and who will probably hurt me through lack of experience. When I was 13, I was crushing on Richard Chamberlain in "Shogun" (Angin-samma), not the boy the next seat over. Admittedly, this may be more due to the fact that he was always miming the motions and noise of masturbating at everyone he disliked. But there were no real suave and/or studly guys in my class, either At 13 boys still have acne and their voices are changing. Older men are much more fascinating. When I finally got to high school, I was absurdly attracted to a teacher's aide with a malformed hand, who was in his late 20's or early 30's.Lonan said:
To all the people who are claiming that the male being older is more frowned upon because it's worse to be penetrated- no, that's not it. It's abuse, pure and simple. Kids of that age are not able to give informed consent- by law. So it doesn't matter who is older, it's abuse no matter who is doing it. Female on female sexual abuse is just as damaging, mentally, as female on male, male on male and so on. You may not hear about it as often, but it does occur. And how will a young man feel if the "older woman" is his mom, or older sister? All of that happens, too.
Adults and older people have power over kids. Kids know the adults know more and tend to listen to them and go along with what they say, especially if the adult has other sorts of power over the child- being in a mentor or supervisory position over said child, like that of a teacher, Principal of a School, Babysitter- part of it is an abuse of the adult's power over the child, and the rest is that the child isn't ready to make such decisions as to engage in sex. They may think and feel themselves ready, but they are not. They may feel impelled by their own hormones, peer pressure, guilt, or other pressure, to have sex with the adult.
I have a friend who had sex with his sixteen-year old babysitter when he was twelve. At the time, he felt she had done him a favor. Now, he says, he's been around the block so many times, he can give guided tours. And he's not so sanguine about what she did. Because of her, he was introduced to sex too early, and he did lots of things to have sex that he regrets now.
Men have a Average Healthy Once a day passion for sex, from the time they are around 13 til 30. (After that its usually just habit & lifestyle)
Thats only 17 years of desire.. And Society says its wrong for them to engage in sex for the first 5 years of this? almost a Third???
Womens passion for sex doesn't START until she is 33, before this its all emotional desire and feelings (for the majority) They peak for a few final years in an attempt to get once last pregnancy, before menopause.
Hence Cougartown etc..
Most guys at 13 would LOVE to get laid, and fathers would cheer their sons on..
Most girls at 13 don't even THINK about having sex (or society perceives this to be true), and their parents would be mortified if anything was happening..
Given the situation, of course a double standard is going to happen.
Thats only 17 years of desire.. And Society says its wrong for them to engage in sex for the first 5 years of this? almost a Third???
Womens passion for sex doesn't START until she is 33, before this its all emotional desire and feelings (for the majority) They peak for a few final years in an attempt to get once last pregnancy, before menopause.
Hence Cougartown etc..
Most guys at 13 would LOVE to get laid, and fathers would cheer their sons on..
Most girls at 13 don't even THINK about having sex (or society perceives this to be true), and their parents would be mortified if anything was happening..
Given the situation, of course a double standard is going to happen.
This is doubly odd considering the fact that an older male, younger female coupling is more likely to produce healthy offspring, as long as the female is capable of healthily bearing a child. Is it necessarily moral or proper for such a thing to happen? I can't really say.
I don't disbelieve you, but given that this goes against what I have learned, and my personal experience, I would like to ask for some citation.Bane_Star said: