People don't give Avatar enough credit (James Cameron one)
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All of my friends were like screaming, "AVATAR IS AMAZING BEST MOVIE EVER." When its plot was unimaginative, its characters where bland and I never felt emmersed at all. I'm not saying its a 'bad' movie, I'm just saying that guy who killed himself cause he couldnt live on the planet in the movie was probably a bit bonkers. It wasnt impressive, it didnt break any new ground in the film industry- it did nothing. Of course my love for humanity might have made me biased against it.Giantpanda602 said:
If the film industry wants to make a huge achievement, make Bioshock into a movie, and follow the story to the letter. We'd have our first grade a Video game movie, and humanity would be in awe.
OT: Bioshock infinite has killed my love of the series. Congrats Irrational.
I enjoyed how it looked, and how it was basically a copy-pasta of Pocahontas with modern skin, but thats about it.
Just about every single thing in the entire movie, was recycled from Pocahontas.
The only thing that I can think of, that is not recycled, is the whole out-of-body thing.
Every single other detail, is a copypasta with different skin.
Just about every single thing in the entire movie, was recycled from Pocahontas.
The only thing that I can think of, that is not recycled, is the whole out-of-body thing.
Every single other detail, is a copypasta with different skin.
The utterly generic and trite message has nothing to do with why Avatar was awful. It was awful because of the one-dimensional, uninteresting characters (especially the mustache-twirling villains, one of whom can apparently completely ignore the movie's made-up science with the sheer force of his over-acting) and the uninspired and derivative design work which completely wasted the film's advancements in CG. It was also far too long for the complexity of the story it was telling, being filled to the brim with useless padding that turned what could have been a fun, one and a half to two hour action flick into a three hour snore fest. It doesn't help that the new 3D glasses still throw off the the picture brightness.
Oh, and everyone bringing up Pocahantas is seriously giving that one way too much credit. This whole plot-line has been around for way longer than that.
Oh, and everyone bringing up Pocahantas is seriously giving that one way too much credit. This whole plot-line has been around for way longer than that.
What it needed was an hour shaved off. I enjoyed it, hell, I own it but definitely not the best movie ever. The dragon things were bad-ass and giant robots make my day, but the characters were so 2-dimensional that if you opened a window they would fly out and stick to someone's windshield. Also all the screaming at the end of the 2nd act, when neytiri freaks out, was annoying as hell. We get your upset but seriously, chill. I know she's all like :"OMG my boyfriend's a dick and OMG my people are dying" but it goes on for, like, 5 straight minutes. Unnecessary.
The best story is not one where you have to depend on some magical McGuffin to move it along, the best ones are where your on the edge of your pants, waiting to see what happens next.It is also true that a lot of stories these days seem unoriginal and have some plot that is similar to something else , but the point is to take these and twist around, and add your own Ideas, themes, plot twists, etc. You take an archetype and add your own shizz 'till it's original. Same goes for pretty much everything these days. Overall, though, seeing as the movie made 3 BILLION DOLLARS, it got credit where credit was due, and then some.
The best story is not one where you have to depend on some magical McGuffin to move it along, the best ones are where your on the edge of your pants, waiting to see what happens next.It is also true that a lot of stories these days seem unoriginal and have some plot that is similar to something else , but the point is to take these and twist around, and add your own Ideas, themes, plot twists, etc. You take an archetype and add your own shizz 'till it's original. Same goes for pretty much everything these days. Overall, though, seeing as the movie made 3 BILLION DOLLARS, it got credit where credit was due, and then some.
I read a recommendation, after I watched Avatar, that everyone should just bring an iPod and listen to music while watching the visual effects. And that about sums up my opinion -- nice looking movie but every line of dialogue was boring or useless or over the top or all three. I honestly didn't care whether the characters lived or died (except for occasional moments where I kiiinda rooted for the latter option) I just wanted them to close their yaps, forget the "plot" and go back to running around in the pretty forest like they're good at. 
it's an old story with fresh coat of paint. on that note, are they still gonna do a sequel? because i can't think of a way to continue this story. it's pretty much done.
also, i think calling the stuff they need to fuel the earth (or whatever) unobtanium, is so stupid it's hilarious.
also, i think calling the stuff they need to fuel the earth (or whatever) unobtanium, is so stupid it's hilarious.
I thought they wanted unobtainium for fuel.
Anyway, its not that. Though that little plot point is rather dumb and a social comment on oil if you want to stretch it. The army (The US) will travel all the way across space (the planet) to whatever the planet was called [thats literally how little I cared for this movie, since I've seen it all before] (the mIddle east) to wage in an Expenisve war (Iraq war) to get a something (oil) instead of developing green energy.
Its that the movie at its main plot is just like the movies mentioned before. And I'll throw in the last Samurai, if it already hasnt been. It was James Cameron cashing in, showing off his expensive, pretty and fancy 3d capture thing, and earning more money so he could finally fulfill his wet dream of filling an Actual Titanic with it.
yes, James Cameron is not one of my favorite people, but he hasnt proved himself much outside Avatar Titanic and the first ALien movie, and the first two are very much overhyped.
Anyway, its not that. Though that little plot point is rather dumb and a social comment on oil if you want to stretch it. The army (The US) will travel all the way across space (the planet) to whatever the planet was called [thats literally how little I cared for this movie, since I've seen it all before] (the mIddle east) to wage in an Expenisve war (Iraq war) to get a something (oil) instead of developing green energy.
Its that the movie at its main plot is just like the movies mentioned before. And I'll throw in the last Samurai, if it already hasnt been. It was James Cameron cashing in, showing off his expensive, pretty and fancy 3d capture thing, and earning more money so he could finally fulfill his wet dream of filling an Actual Titanic with it.
yes, James Cameron is not one of my favorite people, but he hasnt proved himself much outside Avatar Titanic and the first ALien movie, and the first two are very much overhyped.
Uhhh, Unobtanium is basically "Gold" in Pocahantas. The idea of Unobtanium is that it can be used for anything. It literally does everything. Whatever you make out of it, that's the best thing that it can be. The term "unobtainium" is actually used by Engineers today anytime they want to have a bit of a wet dream or do some math that includes properties like weightlessness or frictionlessness. They'll say like "It would be great if nickel was completely weightless, because this would happen if we built this thing out of it". In that case, those thought processes are using what's referred to as "Unobtainium". It's a bit of a tongue in cheek joke.Giantpanda602 said:
The fact that it was used as the mcguffin in a movie is utterly retarded. Anyone who knows what Unobtainium is was just ripped right out of the movie by mentioning it like it was an actual thing.
But that's completely beside the point.
The only reason that the corporation wants the unobtainium is to sell it. They don't use it for anything. They mine it, and they sell it to people. So to the corporation, the Unobtainium is nothing but wealth. They tried to negotiate with the indigenous people for it, negotiations failed, so they're figuring out ways to get passed the defenses that the indigenous people have so that they can steal it.
Basically exactly like Pocahontas.
If you're going to give Avatar credit, give it credit for being a beautiful movie. Certainly don't give it credit for the recycled piece of shit that it's story was. It did NOTHING original in terms of story. There wasn't a single element of the story which wasn't done better in other movies. That may be opinion, but I've never heard anyone make an argument that it had a good story element without having it ripped to pieces.
You give Avatar way too much credit.
Did anyone see the real life avatar episode of the nature of things with david suzuki last night?
A cripple who is drafted into a military program and inserted into the body of an alien to live among them and discover a valuable secret that humanity is desperate to obtain, only in the end humanity turns on him when he doesn't get results fast enough causing the aliens to discover the truth and reject him - he's forced to choose between his loyalty to his human masters and the aliens he has grown to love.
It's called Manta's Gift by Timothy Zahnand it was published in 2002.
Avatar is nothing but a distinctly average sci-fi story wrapped up in pretty visuals.
It's called Manta's Gift by Timothy Zahnand it was published in 2002.
Avatar is nothing but a distinctly average sci-fi story wrapped up in pretty visuals.
