Not that I think that the nasty things in this world are proof either for nor against any god, that's a bit hand-wavey, isn't it? Why believe if there is no way to know? It would be just as easy to believe there is a god even if there really isn't one if the only reason to believe is to believe. I guess I'm asking where is the line drawn between open-minded and just letting your brains fall out?Delicious said:
Personal Opinion on Religion (Atheist View)
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I couldn't agree more with this.garjian said:
We spend so long building something up, someone to idolize and believe in, then something happens and it's gone again. Religion is always going to be one of those topics where people will constantly find something to argue about.
My understanding is that religion originated from dreams. If a caveman, with no understanding of what dreams are, dreamed about his dead brother he would be lead to believe that his brother still exists somewhere (heaven/the afterlife, the soul, something of humans that survives death), and naturally it would make sense that this other place where the dead dwell would have a chief or leader similar to this caveman's tribe (god/s) and that it may be necessary to appease this leader.
Some french philosophy wrote it clearer and more eloquently somewhere.
You have to appreciate the sheer tenacity of the human imagination.
Some french philosophy wrote it clearer and more eloquently somewhere.
You have to appreciate the sheer tenacity of the human imagination.
I believe you are on the button with the allowing of intolerance if a god exists (personally I am an atheist, but thats besides the point really.) Although I would Question the fact that you say it's not Gods fault that intolerence exists (i'm going to assume for a minute that he does for the sake or arguement). Because a God that truely loved his 'choldren' enough to give them free will would want them to learn, and the best ways to learn are to make mistakes and overcome hardships. Although Paradoxically If God truely loved them then he would use his omnipotence to find a way to learn with no suffering.Delicious said:
As to your last comment, it is exactly that sort of thinking that holds humanity back as a species and is so easy to fall into. the mindset of "there is no way we are going to understand this, lets just give up and accept it as read."
One last Paradox/Question that i would be interested to hear your thoughts on. The Question is not 'why would a perfect god allow suffering create an imperfect universe.' but rather 'Why would a perfect God even create a universe at all?' I've pondered this question alot and i cant arrive at a rational answer yet.
(sorry bout the rambling, getting abit tired.)
Well, that's because there seems to be no way to definitively prove or disprove religion. Proving would be piss easy if god would simply appear, but it doesn't, opting to "move in mysterious ways," which incidentally is precisely what one would expect if there was no god at all. But disproving is difficult since we really have no way to look where god should be to find there is nobody home.The Young One said:
Personally, though. The only religious people who really cheese me off are the ones who practice out of habit. The were raised in a religion, so they continue to practice even though they don't really believe. They may leave the religion they were raised with only to seek another religion to fill that habitual gap. Still not really believing, as their actions often show, but making a show of it anyway. I'd prefer such people would just be honest with themselves and quit pretending. but we're also talking about the same sort of person who'll watch a television show they hate simply because there is nothing else on.
Part of believing is accepting that I'll never know but trusting it anyway. Faith, if you will. Moving away from God simply because we don't know if he exists or not is a bit silly, because when it comes right down to it we don't really know anything.the antithesis said:
So I'd rather believe in something that can know everything, rather than resigning myself to the bleak and pessimistic outlook on life that most athiests seem to share.
My theory is that it came from our tendency to anthropomorphizing things, which is a twelve dollar word meaning "assigning human traits to inhuman things" Stuff like this:space_oddity said:
See a face? If you'd met a person on the street with a face like that.So god came from applying this to the natural world. Caveman are sitting around one day when a storm brews up with thunder and lightning. Cavemen didn't know about static electricity between storm clouds. So what did they thing? This was a god, and it was angry. that's what they thought.
It's my belief that this is where prety much all religion comes from, and it can go back at any time.
I ask God only 1 question,
When will peoples stop giving shits
Whats everyones problems with religion. sure "some" religious people bash atheism, but lets be serious its not like "some" atheists dont bash religion
Personally people are just arrogant assholes that just want to always be right, that the only reason people continuesly have to bash eachother
Sorry for using bash, I assure you im not a 15 year old girl. I couldnt find a word that wasnt "mean"
When will peoples stop giving shits
Whats everyones problems with religion. sure "some" religious people bash atheism, but lets be serious its not like "some" atheists dont bash religion
Personally people are just arrogant assholes that just want to always be right, that the only reason people continuesly have to bash eachother
Sorry for using bash, I assure you im not a 15 year old girl. I couldnt find a word that wasnt "mean"
Aye, I'm sure it will, it's already getting a bit heated!Yog Sothoth said:
I see your point pimppeter2, some atheists are dead set about bringing down everyone else's views on religion, but as I see it on here, it's not like that.
And sadly, it is this 'religion bashing' that is used all too often to offend or insult people.
Hm. I don't find it very bleak or pessimistic. Nor do I find belief in any god particularly optimistic.Delicious said:
I also don't see it as moving away from god since it is, whether you choose to believe or not, simply an educated guess. So it's easily valid to take it on faith that there is not god as it is that there is.
Well, to know the answer to that question would be to understand God, so I don't really know.lazy_bum said:
You'd have to define what a universe is, but it could be that God and the Universe are one and the same, and as a result have always existed thus negating the need for a reason as to why they do.
That's the only thing I can come up with.
If more religious people followed this, there would probably be a lot fewer problems.TheNecroswanson said:
God's the easy way out, provides an explanation to everything simply by adding an illogical factor to a logical world. Why did trees grow? god. We found it was just scientific, same with everything man couldn't quite figure out, the existence of the universe is just a final step into comprehension.
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So I'd rather believe in something that can know everything, rather than resigning myself to the bleak and pessimistic outlook on life that most athiests seem to share.[/quote]
How are most Atheists bleak and pessimistic? Just because you don't believe in a god does not nessesarily mean that life is suddenly pointless. There is still this universe to enjoy and try to understand. Just that there is nothing after death. Which i find makes alot of the Atheists i know, including myself even more determined to enjoy it while it lasts, and are actions are not done with the little voice at the back of your head reminding you to think that if you do 'wrong' you will be punished for it in another life, rather that if you decide to act in a moral or 'good' fashion it is because you have decided to of your own free will and not out of fear of punishment if you don't.
So I'd rather believe in something that can know everything, rather than resigning myself to the bleak and pessimistic outlook on life that most athiests seem to share.[/quote]
How are most Atheists bleak and pessimistic? Just because you don't believe in a god does not nessesarily mean that life is suddenly pointless. There is still this universe to enjoy and try to understand. Just that there is nothing after death. Which i find makes alot of the Atheists i know, including myself even more determined to enjoy it while it lasts, and are actions are not done with the little voice at the back of your head reminding you to think that if you do 'wrong' you will be punished for it in another life, rather that if you decide to act in a moral or 'good' fashion it is because you have decided to of your own free will and not out of fear of punishment if you don't.
