Pirate copy of Fallout 3

[SenseOfTumour]

See the sad thing is, they'd probably chase this guy and prosecute him if they knew.

Which is a shame, when there's people actually stealing their game, but they'd prefer to just go for an easy kill.

 

[Knight Templar]

You could have waited, so you did the stupid thing. Its hard to say if it was Right/Wrong but it was an impatient thing to do regardless.

 

[mooncalf]

Play.co.uk have learned nothing if you don't properly deal with them as a matter of consumer rights. I understand where you're coming from, but grabbing an illegitimate copy of the game is still piracy. I'm not gonna call ya a dirty pirate, but I am gonna reckon you're a bit wimpy for letting them get away with two months of BS...

 

[Ancientgamer]

Hypothetical situation: you buy an iPod online, it's shipped, but it gets lost in transit. You've already paid for an iPod so you can just waltz right into the nearest retailer and take an iPod, right? That can't be illegal, can it?

Your dispute is with either who you bought it from or the carrier they used to ship it. Trying to acquire what your owed from another party is ILLEGAL. I don't care how you or anyone else tries to spin it. You're a pirate.

Ignore all the people that say it's piracy because they're fucking wrong.

definition of software piracy: "The unauthorized copying of software. Most retail programs are licensed for use at just one computer site or for use by only one user at any time. By buying the software, you become a licensed user rather than an owner (see EULA). You are allowed to make copies of the program for backup purposes, but it is against the law to give copies to friends and colleagues. "

source: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/software_piracy.html

so for all intents and purposes you are playing a backup copy. now if you're seeding the torrent then that's considered piracy otherwise people are once again commenting on something they don't understand.

You are aware that the government doesn't care how you interpret their laws, they're still going to come after you if you break them, right? Backup copies - all well and good but he didn't make a backup of his copy, he downloaded someone a "backup" from someone else. Do you know what that's called? Receiving stolen property.

By the way, you know how when you download a torrent it shows your download rate and your upload rate? Yeah, he's still pirating even if he's not currently seeding the torrent. True, he may have set his upload rate to zero but that doesn't make it any less illegal.

You realize there's a big difference between data and physical properties, right? All he was really paying for was the license to play the game, which, since it's not a physical property, he essentially already has.

Why do people always feel the need to illustrate their point by likening piracy to another crime entirely? It's different, with all it's own nuisances. Stop comparing it and judge it on it's own grounds. (I'm against piracy, but honestly, comparing it to stealing an ipod is retarded)

 

[Flour]

Hypothetical situation: you buy an iPod online, it's shipped, but it gets lost in transit. You've already paid for an iPod so you can just waltz right into the nearest retailer and take an iPod, right? That can't be illegal, can it?

I think it's been said before, but you can't compare software to a physical object.
That iPod belonged to a third party, one that actually lost money when it disappeared.
The only comparison that would work in this case, is that you create your own iPod and use that until the one you bought is delivered.

Can I Download a Nintendo ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic. Therefore, whether you have an authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of a Nintendo ROM for a limited amount of time, i.e. 24 hours, it is illegal to download and play a Nintendo ROM from the Internet.

http://www.nintendo.com/corp/legal.jsp#roms

I'm wrong, my bad. though that is nintendo's stance, but is likely mirrored by most other companies. oh well cest la vive

Nintendo might say that, but there are laws that say you can have a backup copy of software you own.

[this space is for the 30 minutes I spent looking for information on american copyright]

For a second I hoped there would be an american law I could use...
But in america, the EULA has legal value and overrides section 117 of the copyright act which states that you are allowed to create a backup copy for any software you own, until another legal document says you can not create that backup.

Oh well, not much can be done, I'm happy I'm Dutch.
Dutch law protects us against an EULA, it is considered to be a type of contract, and contracts have to be shown before purchase to give a chance to disagree with it.

 

[Bowstring]

In a true twist of irony, my copy of Fallout 3 got delivered 2 days before it was meant to be released in the UK, and I ordered from play.co.uk.

You win some, you lose some I guess.

 

[Super_Nintendo_Chalmers]

Really i think that any sort of piracy is allright,
as long as you're not doing TONNES of it.For example, i download some music off of the internet,
but not too much. I just think that if the whole detroying the different industries thing was such a big problem,
wouldn't it just be a smart idea to somehow reinforce everything so that it couldn't be pirated?
But in your situation, i think it's much more justifiable.

 

[MercurySteam]

I download all my games. (Except for my 360 games). If you pay for it you should get to play it. Bethesda gets their money, and you get your game. But in the end all downloaded games have their problems. The money you spend goes into the disc, the box, the game, delivery, etc.
In the end you should get what you pay for.

 

[mintsauce]

I find it hard to believe that you've justified downloading it because you ordered it from Play.com and they tell you it's out of stock.
I don't beleve it for the simple reason that they don't charge you until it's dispatched.
And i know this because i check my online bank and my order status regularly whenh ordering from them. I've also never had any problems with them, except for the time i ordered soemthing and recieved headphones instead, although i did need some new headphones.

So unless the item eventually arrived after you downloaded it i don't see how you've actually payed for anything.

So, no even in this case, wrong.

Next time just get onto the distributor and ask what the deal is, if they are unlikely to devliver the goods, then simply move onto another company.

This. Couldn't have put it better myself - you're in the wrong and there's plenty you could have done before resorting to downloading it.

 

[fix-the-spade]

About a week before Christmas i order a few items off Play.co.uk they all turned up with the exception of Fallout 3 as i was Temporaily out of stock. 2 months later and they are still out of stock so i simply downloaded a copy of the game, justified by the fact that i had paid for a copy therefore entitled to it. Then somone accuses me of piracy which is inexcusable under any circumstance.
What do you think? Am i being a industry killing pirate or honest consumer?

Have Play.com charged you for Fallout 3?

They can't take your money for something they don't have in stock, they have to wait until they're able to despatch it. Check the amount on your next bank statement, you may have just nicked Fallout 3 and never been charged for it by Play.

 

[orifice]

If you've payed for it, you have the right to play it. My only concern would be the trustworthyness of a pirate copy(viruses,malware,trojans and the suchlike).

 

[Super_Nintendo_Chalmers]

Really i think that any sort of piracy is allright,
as long as you're not doing TONNES of it.For example, i download some music off of the internet,
but not too much. I just think that if the whole detroying the different industries thing was such a big problem,
wouldn't it just be a smart idea to somehow reinforce everything so that it couldn't be pirated?
But in your situation, i think it's much more justifiable.

You know what's the worst kind of psychopath in modern criminology?
The one who that thinks that killing people isn't such a big deal, as such, the one who has no conscience and thinks that a single act doesn't have repercussions or echoes.

This can easily be applied to other things, such as piracy. The worst kind of pirate is the one that has no idea why piracy is a bad thing. The one that downloads that file without any regard for anyone else, only thinking of himself.

So congratulations on that.

"reinforce everything so that it couldn't be pirated". You clearly have no idea of what you're talking about.

I don't want to get into an argument, but i may have been a bit unclear with my point, as it is a hard one to divulge.
Looking back on it, it does read as being rather stupid.
Apologies.

 

[Galletea]

Yes it's still wrong. By pirating you perpetuate the pirate industry, you might think you alone are causing no harm but others will be thinking the same, and then there are those that have no conscience about it. Whatever the reasons, if you pirate things then you are giving piracy a reason to exist.