Pirate copy of Fallout 3

[The Wooster]

1:Have you paid for game? Y/N If yes go to 2.
2: Do you now have game? Y/N If yes end topic.

 

[The Wooster]

Yes it's still wrong. By pirating you perpetuate the pirate industry, you might think you alone are causing no harm but others will be thinking the same, and then there are those that have no conscience about it. Whatever the reasons, if you pirate things then you are giving piracy a reason to exist.

That's like saying that breaking your own window because you've forgotten your keys gives breaking and entering a reason to exist.

 

[Galletea]

That's like saying that breaking your own window because you've forgotten your keys gives breaking and entering a reason to exist.

Not really, unless there are people supplying breaking in equipment maybe.

 

[oAmadeuso]

Also, there is no clear way of contacting play on their website, i ddint do a deep trawl but i could find no number or email address. Since i rarely use play i can never remember my account info and i dont have the confirmation email, all the other items i order at the same time arrived within 3 days. I dont feel entitled to the game as i now have copy. Im not so bothered about feeling entitle as i now have copy.

http://www.play.com/HOME/HOME/6-/Help.html?page=received

Phone: 0845 800 1020

Item temporarily out of stock
If an item goes out of stock and we expect to receive new stock within a reasonable time we will hold your order and dispatch the item to you as soon as stock is available. Your card is not charged until the order is processed and packed.

Better re-check your statement to see if funds have been charged.

Phone them and cancel the order. if they get funny quote the "1976 sale of goods act"
Buy from another store.

simple.

[edit]
They're list it as in stock anyway....
http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/5483413/Fallout-3/Product.html

BTW if you downloaded it there is a good chance you got the "review copy". The save may not be compatible with the retail disk.

 

[marfoir(IRL)]

This question has reminded me of a discussion I had a while ago. I cant remember why I wanted to pirate game X(I think I was angry about DRM, damn you time and your memory degrading powers). Anyway I asked my friend, "If I download the game but post the money directly to the developer is it pirating"?
This had him stumped for a while so we asked a third friend and this stumped him for a wh-...yeah you see where this is going. The general consensus "no" but we weren't sure.

OP, if you paid for the game it's not piracy if you haven't...

 

[Grand_Poohbah]

Whoa Whoa Whoa?!? Just because you couldn't game you've taken to a life a pillage and plunder on the high seas?!


Oh...nevermind, ummm ya it's fine you paid for it.

 

[scarbunny]

About a week before Christmas i order a few items off Play.co.uk they all turned up with the exception of Fallout 3 as i was Temporaily out of stock. 2 months later and they are still out of stock so i simply downloaded a copy of the game, justified by the fact that i had paid for a copy therefore entitled to it. Then somone accuses me of piracy which is inexcusable under any circumstance.
What do you think? Am i being a industry killing pirate or honest consumer?

Just a small point, Play.com (or.co.uk as you call them) dont take payment untill they ship your item, I have ordered hundreds of pounds of stuff from them in the last few years including pre-orders and out of stock items alike. If they have charged you just complain, log in to your play account using the old email address and change it if the address you originaly used is no longer accessable.

Or ring them, they will have a record of your order and will refund you, they have a very resonable policy of resending/refunding items that are not recived in 21 days.

 

[beddo]

About a week before Christmas i order a few items off Play.co.uk they all turned up with the exception of Fallout 3 as i was Temporaily out of stock. 2 months later and they are still out of stock so i simply downloaded a copy of the game, justified by the fact that i had paid for a copy therefore entitled to it. Then somone accuses me of piracy which is inexcusable under any circumstance.
What do you think? Am i being a industry killing pirate or honest consumer?

As far as the law is concerned it is piracy. If you have a problem with Play you should take it up with them. They likely cover these instances in their terms and conditions. If you are unable to attain a copy or refund from Play then you should report them to the relevant authorities and consider further action.

You are in no way entitled to download the game from the internet. I wouldn't say that it's killing the industry but equally it's not 'honest' behaviour. We have rules regarding purchasing for a reason, so people aren't taken advantage of and so that people don't have to take matters into their own hands.

 

[duckfi8]

u paid for the download that's Bull that there doing that stuff to you

 

[Ace of Spades]

You paid for it, and you didn't get it. You're completely justified in pirating it.

 

[Theissen]

You ordered the game.

You paid for the game.

You now own the game, even though you don't have the concrete game in your hands.

In my country, you are allowed to have as many copies of owned games/CD's as you like.

You downloaded a copy of the game, which is the same as copying it yourself.

Hence, you are not pirating.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

To me, since the games companies decided we are paying for the licence rights to play the game, and not actually buying the game, he's perfectly fine, he's paid for the licence to play the game and he's playing it.

I'm sure legally they could find a way to nail him, but it'd be a terrible waste of resources with massive duplicating runs going on, and huge torrent sites etc, etc.

to me, if you've paid, you have NO reason to feel guilty, but every reason to keep your anti virus and firewall up to date.

 

[Theissen]

There seems to be a misconceptions about "piracy".

Piracy is when you obtain a game or a CD without having purchased it legally, such as downloading a copy.

Piracy is not when you download a copy of a game or a CD having already purchased it legally, such as the case the author describes it.

This literally means that 2 people can download the same file on the internet and they aren't both pirating. If one of them already have purchased the game previously, it's not piracy.

 

[Theissen]

To me, since the games companies decided we are paying for the licence rights to play the game, and not actually buying the game, he's perfectly fine, he's paid for the licence to play the game and he's playing it.

I'm sure legally they could find a way to nail him, but it'd be a terrible waste of resources with massive duplicating runs going on, and huge torrent sites etc, etc.

to me, if you've paid, you have NO reason to feel guilty, but every reason to keep your anti virus and firewall up to date.

If he can show a receipt for the game and if he can show that the retailer has withdrawn money for the game on his account, he has a very good case.

 

[D_987]

Its not justified because there is no way I beleive his story; you waited 2 months after paying (no company like GAME, Amazon or Gamestation charge you before dispatch so I don't beleive this part) before enquiring?

Thats just idiocy on your part; all you have to do is cancel any credit card payments to PLAY and then buy it off steam or from a local store. Pirating is never the answer and I don't beleive it can be justified in this way.

 

[the_tramp]

They have Fallout 3 sat on the shelf in a nearby shop for £30 for PC and £40 I think for consoles.
I presume you're on PC so why don't you just cancel the order, use a student discount or something and buy it in a shop for an extra £5 or something in comparison to the play.co.uk? Your account says that you're 18 and a student so age/student card isn't a problem.

 

[roflchopter]

Honest consumer, that's pretty poor of them...if you paid for the game you should get to play it.

 

[mintsauce]

You paid for it, and you didn't get it. You're completely justified in pirating it.

You ordered the game.

You paid for the game.

You now own the game, even though you don't have the concrete game in your hands.

In my country, you are allowed to have as many copies of owned games/CD's as you like.

You downloaded a copy of the game, which is the same as copying it yourself.

Hence, you are not pirating.

To me, since the games companies decided we are paying for the licence rights to play the game, and not actually buying the game, he's perfectly fine, he's paid for the licence to play the game and he's playing it.

I'm sure legally they could find a way to nail him, but it'd be a terrible waste of resources with massive duplicating runs going on, and huge torrent sites etc, etc.

to me, if you've paid, you have NO reason to feel guilty, but every reason to keep your anti virus and firewall up to date.

Whoa Whoa Whoa?!? Just because you couldn't game you've taken to a life a pillage and plunder on the high seas?!


Oh...nevermind, ummm ya it's fine you paid for it.

People, listen. He has not paid for the game. Play do not charge until orders are actually sent. I think a quick look at a bank statement will confirm this.

And even if he has been charged, it does not give him the right to download a pirate copy of the game - he has paid for the right to install the software from the media provided in the box, which he has not yet received.

Even if Play have charged him without sending the game, which is extremely unlikely, he still does not have the right to download it. The correct course of action is to contact Play to chase the status of the order, and have resend or refund it if necessary.

Let's imagine the actual product is never sent. Are you going to allow Play to keep the money for something you never received? No, that would be ridiculous - you contact them and sort the mess out.

 

[Midnight_Walker]

As others have said, Play don't charge for out of stock items (or indeed any items) until that item ships. Ergo, you have not paid them.
Also, that your email address has been shut down is irrelevant, it's just a login ID. You can still log in to Play using that address and cancel the order. I've ordered a silly amount of stuff from them, and that's been the case for as long as I've been going there.

In summary, you're a pirate.

 

[johnman]

Well ive cancelled got it now though another chanel so i have transfered my saves and continuing my journey thought the wastes. Great game so far, just got to get enough caps for that rifle.....

Its not justified because there is no way I beleive his story; you waited 2 months after paying (no company like GAME, Amazon or Gamestation charge you before dispatch so I don't beleive this part) before enquiring?

Thats just idiocy on your part; all you have to do is cancel any credit card payments to PLAY and then buy it off steam or from a local store. Pirating is never the answer and I don't beleive it can be justified in this way.

Mybe i had other things on my mind? Like left 4 dead?

Also, why dont play have it in stock? I asked and they simply said they will have it within 28 days...