PlayStation CEO Hopes 2008 Was "As Bad As it Gets"

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Pendragon9

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Joshimodo said:
CarrionRoc said:
The Tre has some great games coming out this year and next year. It's making a comeback.
Haven't Sony fans been saying that for years?

Frankly, it's a grim outlook for an overpriced console in an economic downturn.

Not to mention lack of great games.
No evidence to back up your claim, so I'm afraid your post amounts to nothing.

Thank you for playing.

Khell_Sennet said:
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Okay then if that's the case, then don't buy it.

It's as simple as buying it or not.

Maybe you can accumulate enough games you want for the PS3 go buy it, but if you don't then too bad, stop complaining about the price point and the other features if you're not going to buy it anyway.
Never said I wouldn't buy it, just that what Sony says makes it so valuable is worthless to some, including me. If it drops in price low enough, I'd buy one. Just not at $400+.
As I said before, they shouldn't have to lose money because you don't want to shell out a hundred extra dollars (which you would pay anyway if you bought another console).

That's being a little greedy. You lose a hundred extra dollars upfront if you pay their price, they lose billions if they drop the price. See? Please be a bit more sensitive. Not everything revolves around you.
 

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I think Sony kinda screwed up with Blu-ray, they tried to extrapolate on optical disk technology without factoring in other technology and the true desires and needs of consumers. It is one thing to beat HD-DVD, but DVD is still super-strong.

Technology and licensing fundamentally limit blu-ray to pretty much only playing High Definition movies and on that front they seem to have been incredibly out of touch.

For example, they are technically correct that Blu-ray with 1080p video is technically better but there are SOO many caveats it just isn't worth it.

Screen size and quality.
This is a big issue as there are fundamental limitations on television placement as they seem to all be placed regardless of their size about 9 feet from the viewer. The reason for this is how people need elbow room yet they don't want to have too great a viewing angle. But HDTVs are so expensive, most people will buy 1080p screens but most are sub-30 inch and +40inch make up a minority. This is a problem for appreciating the difference of 1080p blu-rays over 480p DVDs as this site details
http://hdguru.com/?p=21

Basically, if you watch a Blu-ray on a 46 inch screen at 9 feet it will look no better than a 720p image. From the same distance to appreciate 1080p as looking better than 720p it really has to be about 70 inches, almost 6 foot wide. Those screens are not only massive but ridiculously expensive. Even if you can find a cheap one there are usually so many shortcuts taken in the image processing that it is not worth it. The pixels are there, but the detail isn't.

Bitrate.
The whole issue of resolution has become a bit irrelevant with the proliferation of cheap yet very high quality up-scaling DVD players. With good upscaling and output via HDMI, resolution doesn't matter only bitrate, this is where you discover something interesting about DVDs.
http://www.vbrick.net/recordcalc.htm
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=3338
Even a 2 hour movie (longer than average feature length film) on DVD has a bitrate of about 10-11 Mbits/sec. The next source illustrated how most blu-rays only have a video bitrate of about 25Mbps, but considering most screens people can afford are no where near big and high enough quality to show 1080p... move on down to the other HD resolution of 720p.

1080p has 2.25x the pixels of 720p

So the quality scaling down with bitrate: 25/2.25= 11Mbps

That is virtually identical to what many DVDs can offer. So you see people are not just seeing things when they say they are fine with DVD on their 30-40 inch HDTV and should be fine with their 720p HD broadcasts and downloads in terms of inherent quality from bitrate.

DVD is not going to be obsolete till it is common for people to have 60-70 inch High Definition TVs in their homes (I doubt that will happen due to people's personal taste) and by that time digital distribution will have advanced to the point where blu-ray is obsolete.
 

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Sony can afford a substantial price cut, even though it is selling the PS3 at less than what the sum of its parts is worth. Sony is a huge international corporation with an extreme amount of disposable income, and would likely make back most of the money it spent on a price cut quite quickly.

Afterwards, the sensible business decision would be to quietly increase the price, even back to where it was. I'm not saying this would be a good decision for anybody else in the transaction (and I'm certainly not in favour of it). However, the benefit of lowering the price would be sales to hardcore gamers, who would know about the cut the moment it happened, rush out and buy the console within a year, and the same old speed of sale would resume soon after.

The reasoning behind that is that if the price cut continued after the initial rush, it would lead to a substantial loss in profit. Of course, even with a quiet and clever price rise, someone will probably notice, leading to an outcry and more anger from the hardcore (which won't decrease sales so much in the short term with hardware, but the long term with software). If that happens, it is a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

With all of that said, it is true that a price cut could lead Microsoft and Nintendo to match it, making the competition still more appealing by the same amount. That's the wild card of the situation, and unfortunately it isn't something Sony can plan for, since it can happen at any time. Sony has to just got to play its Ace and hope for the best.

This CEO, while fairly engaged in his PR work, doesn't appear to understand market psychology in any depth. That's fair enough, though. That's often not a CEO's job.
 

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Treblaine said:
Pendragon9 said:
Not everything revolves around you.
I hope Sony doesn't think the same way as you do.

The customer is ALWAYS right.
You're right. The customer is. They also want less shovelware from Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't comply, yet the fans are happy.

So something here is not like the other. Oh that's right. People still hate Sony for no good reason. How could I forget?
 

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DanniXXX said:
gof22 said:
DanniXXX said:
gof22 said:
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gof22 said:
Because it's worth it. DUR.
No game console is worth that price.
The one with The Last Guardian is. In fact its a bargain at that price.
Not to me it isn't.
Then you have no soul. I'm sorry, but if you don't love the Toriko you are a monster.

Which would mean you're looking foward to above all else God of War III.

See, thats my point. The pinnacles of so many genres are exclusive to the Ps3, and these genres are so widely reaching and diverse that no-one who can really call themselves a fan of any genre can say that they aren't going to get a Ps3. Value is not simply what it csts you, thats just price. Value is about what it costs compared to what you get back, something which the Ps3 effectively rapes everything else on.
That is all just an opinion. Actually I am looking more towards Heavy Rain. I don't care how good the value the console is if there is no price cut then I am not buying one.

No fanboy rant will convince me either.
You're setting a completely arbitrary limit that in and of itself is meaningless, because if you can raise $300 in a month, there is no way you can't raise $400 in two.
I don't want to pay $400.00 for a console though. MY PC cost me $325.00 and it can run Crysis, so if a PC that can run Crysis is lower than a PS3 I think Sony can stand to do a price cut.

No matter what you tell me will not convince me of buying one, until they lower the price.
 

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Pendragon9 said:
Joshimodo said:
CarrionRoc said:
The Tre has some great games coming out this year and next year. It's making a comeback.
Haven't Sony fans been saying that for years?

Frankly, it's a grim outlook for an overpriced console in an economic downturn.

Not to mention lack of great games.
No evidence to back up your claim, so I'm afraid your post amounts to nothing.

Thank you for playing.
No evidence to back up that they don't have a multitude of great games? Well, besides the fact I own a PS3, and have yet to find more than 5 games really worth buying.

Or no evidence to back up that it's a grim outlook? Recession + expensive, under-performing commodities = grim outlook for that particular commodity.
 

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You didn't. They cut it to $170 last month.
If you mean I didn't buy the console, then that would be because I own one already.

If that's not what you meant, then I can make neither front nor back of your statement. Could you please explain what you mean for me?
 

Pendragon9

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Joshimodo said:
Pendragon9 said:
Joshimodo said:
CarrionRoc said:
The Tre has some great games coming out this year and next year. It's making a comeback.
Haven't Sony fans been saying that for years?

Frankly, it's a grim outlook for an overpriced console in an economic downturn.

Not to mention lack of great games.
No evidence to back up your claim, so I'm afraid your post amounts to nothing.

Thank you for playing.
No evidence to back up that they don't have a multitude of great games? Well, besides the fact I own a PS3, and have yet to find more than 5 games really worth buying.

Or no evidence to back up that it's a grim outlook? Recession + expensive, under-performing commodities = grim outlook for that particular commodity.
I'm afraid your opinion is not the opinion of everyone. People think differently than you.

I'm sorry if you think the world revolves around you. Besides, Microsoft isn't doing too hot either right now. More console sales doesn't mean they're rolling in the money, considering they have bad hardware they have to keep fixing.

I have a Ps3 and I see ten-twenty different games I want. So is my opinion wrong because it doesn't fit yours? Or are you going to admit people have different opinions?
 

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If Sony decide to drop the price soon then I can see them really gaining momentum, but if not i'll guess they'll scrape along.

As for the future outlook based on games: Hell Yeah!

I'm really not sure why people still deny the value of this machine. I honestly don't get it. I had the N64, PS, PS2 and the PS3 beats them all hands down just based on the prospect of both upcoming games and value in my opinion. I can't remember a time when I was partially excited for quite as many games as now, the idea that the line-up is weak or average is quite far fetched. Anyway I could sort of understand why you wouldn't want one if you have a 360 and my question is: Why would anyone need both? They practically play the same games except for a few exclusives, you should have decided long before you got the machines which games you wanted.

If they release a sweet Uncharted 2 bundle around November before Christmas with a 299$ price point, I could see them gaining some momentum. Otherwise, the whole social stigma associated with Sony will probably haunt them even further. (maybe that 400$ MGS4 + Killzone 2 bundle can do some improvements, who knows?)
 

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Personally, I used my PS2 as a DVD player for years without ever feeling the need to buy a DVD player, and the PS1 before it as a CD player. So for me, the "media center" aspect is valid. However, I'm not interested in console gaming very much anymore, so I'm not likely to buy a console.
 

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gof22 said:
Because it's worth it. DUR.
No game console is worth that price.
I happily disagree, as I paid 600 bones for my PS3 and have never looked back (though I had my doubts in the first few months, I'll admit). It all depends on what you get.

Khell_Sennet said:
Never said I wouldn't buy it, just that what Sony says makes it so valuable is worthless to some, including me. If it drops in price low enough, I'd buy one. Just not at $400+.
Callo Callay! Problem solved! So, what's your next rant going to be? It's a standard for an argument to take place at a maximum of every two weeks.
 

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Jumplion said:
gof22 said:
Because it's worth it. DUR.
No game console is worth that price.
I happily disagree, as I paid 600 bones for my PS3 and have never looked back (though I had my doubts in the first few months, I'll admit). It all depends on what you get.

Khell_Sennet said:
Never said I wouldn't buy it, just that what Sony says makes it so valuable is worthless to some, including me. If it drops in price low enough, I'd buy one. Just not at $400+.
Callo Callay! Problem solved! So, what's your next rant going to be? It's a standard for an argument to take place at a maximum of every two weeks.
I am going to keep waiting until it drops in price. With me going to college in the fall affording a PS3 is on the bottom of my list.
 

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I love the argument against the ps3 that its too expensive. yes when it came out the highest grade ( the 40g at the time) was 600 big ones. Now you can get the 160g with uncharted for only $500. and now you can find the 40g for $300.... i dont own one so i have to ask, how much is an elite?