Plot holes in "Avatar"

[Drax715]

Sorry double post

 

[enzilewulf]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Unobtainium must be a very valuable resource and must be being used to fuel humanity's growth if it's worth so much, if RDA was granted monopoly rights to mine for it and the fact that they are spending so much to get it.

So he isn't betraying RDA, he's betraying his race!

Still you can't knock out a sacred place for another race just because your race was to stupid to relize that fossil fules = limited. Honostly the Humans cause was almost as stupid as this war in Iraq's cause.

 

[WaderiAAA]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

No, it is one that believes their is something ultimately right in the universe. The Na'vis are intelligent, so they are the humans' equals. The humans have no right to just go in and destroy the aliens' homes, therefore Jake fights for what is right.

The Na'vi are in the stone age! (exageration) I never said the Humans are right or if they had the right to do it, read my edited version of my post on the first page, the Humans obviously need the resource that's on Pandora and I believe the end justify's the means.

Then you are exactly the kind of ignorant fool that makes something like that possible. For the record, unobtainium was meant as an energy source for electricity, so it doesn't have that great importance. Also, you can't justify such a thing by the Na'vis not having advanced technology.

 

[imc440]

Haven't been reading so I don't know if this has been asked, but how does Jake know that the goo from that one plant that he uses for his torch is even flamable? I mean that's a pretty good guess for somebody new to a foreign planet. Later he puts the torch down in the grass while he fights those dog like alien creatures and doesn't burn down the whole forest. Another great guess.

 

[squirrelman42]

the whole thing is "dances with wolves", but the wolves are aliens

 

[Monkeytacoz]

http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/

 

[MasterKirov]

Your missing one signifigant hole:

- Where in god's name did every creature on Pandora show up like that during the final fight? Alright, Signourney mentioned the trees and plants were all interconnected, but the animals? Deus Ex Machania?

 

[AlphaOmega]

Where is Zuko's mom ?

Oh that Avatar?

 

[TheDoctor455]

So I went to the theater yesterday and saw Avatar in 3d. It was pretty good. Today, I was reflecting on the movie a little when I realized there was something odd. I shall recount the scenes in which this plot hole occurs.

WARNING, SPOILERS

Hole #1 (my friend actually pointed this one out): In the beginning scene where Jake first takes control of the avatar, he comes across numerous other avatars (the ones playing basketball, numerous others you see scattered about). These ones are never seen in the movie again. Who's avatars are they and what purpose do they serve?

Hole #2: During the final battle, we see that the avatar of Norm (the other scientist guy) is killed. Norm emerges from his pod, perfectly fine but visibly shaken. Later, once the main bad guy dies, Jake's real body ends up on the ground outside his pod, struggling for air. Na'vi princess lady comes in and everythings fine.

END SPOILERS

#1: Ok, so it's not really a plot hole, but it's still interesting to point out. There seems to be no purpose for them to be there.

#2: So, where did Norm go? Did he just wander off into the jungle? Surely he would have gone to help his friend Jake, who was struggling for breath on the floor of the mobile outpost. We see him again later at the end, but where did he go?

Did anyone else catch these? Or am I just wrong and missed something that would explain this?

Well judging from how shaken he was, I'd say he was going through the psychological stages of shock. He wouldn't necessarily be going through the physical ones, but the psychological ones certainly. So he most likely passed out for the rest of the battle.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Your missing one signifigant hole:

- Where in god's name did every creature on Pandora show up like that during the final fight? Alright, Signourney mentioned the trees and plants were all interconnected, but the animals? Deus Ex Machania?

You are forgetting that all of those animals are fiercely territorial... and what has the industrial-military complex been doing all this time? Invading their territory and burning down their nests/homes. At this point, they are PISSED.

 

[Firenz]

This film's plot is not the strongest of things.

Check out this and you'll see why http://failblog.org/2010/01/10/avatar-plot-fail/#comments

Still a great film though (although the bit *SPOILERS* where you almost see a naked Sigourney Weaver (sp?) is pretty damned scary)

EDIT:

Your missing one signifigant hole:

- Where in god's name did every creature on Pandora show up like that during the final fight? Alright, Signourney mentioned the trees and plants were all interconnected, but the animals? Deus Ex Machania?

You are forgetting that all of those animals are fiercely territorial... and what has the industrial-military complex been doing all this time? Invading their territory and burning down their nests/homes. At this point, they are PISSED.

I think you guys may have slept through the earlier scene with Jake at the Tree of Souls asking Eywah for help.

 

[.[B@lL15T1C].]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

gold

the whole thing is "dances with wolves", but the wolves are aliens

I'm hoping you're making a joke there. The one from south park is the aliens are like the native Americans in Dances with Wolves, not wolves.

 

[Erja_Perttu]

Your missing one signifigant hole:

- Where in god's name did every creature on Pandora show up like that during the final fight? Alright, Signourney mentioned the trees and plants were all interconnected, but the animals? Deus Ex Machania?

Spoiler

Not really, because all those animals had the tendril that they could connect with, and Jake asked for help from the shiny god tree thingy. I thik it as meant to be a 'will of the planet' Gaia representation, affirming that everything truly was connected.

 

[Captain Schpack]

Norm "died" first and took a gun and went off to fight. Jake "died" later and the Na'vi princess gave him and oxygen mask so he could breathe. When he actually did die (he couldn't reach the mask) he wasn't far enough along so that if he did get some O2 he could come back.

 

[Danpascooch]

So I went to the theater yesterday and saw Avatar in 3d. It was pretty good. Today, I was reflecting on the movie a little when I realized there was something odd. I shall recount the scenes in which this plot hole occurs.

WARNING, SPOILERS

Hole #1 (my friend actually pointed this one out): In the beginning scene where Jake first takes control of the avatar, he comes across numerous other avatars (the ones playing basketball, numerous others you see scattered about). These ones are never seen in the movie again. Who's avatars are they and what purpose do they serve?

Hole #2: During the final battle, we see that the avatar of Norm (the other scientist guy) is killed. Norm emerges from his pod, perfectly fine but visibly shaken. Later, once the main bad guy dies, Jake's real body ends up on the ground outside his pod, struggling for air. Na'vi princess lady comes in and everythings fine.

END SPOILERS

#1: Ok, so it's not really a plot hole, but it's still interesting to point out. There seems to be no purpose for them to be there.

#2: So, where did Norm go? Did he just wander off into the jungle? Surely he would have gone to help his friend Jake, who was struggling for breath on the floor of the mobile outpost. We see him again later at the end, but where did he go?

Did anyone else catch these? Or am I just wrong and missed something that would explain this?

You missed the BIGGEST one.

Remember the helicopter girl who took off in the middle of a battle?

HELLO people, that is called desertion, and it gets you life in prison, you think they'd let her just walk around, much less SEE THE PRISONERS after that? Seriously, she would totally have been in a cell with them

Another thing I though funny was when the corporate guy picks up that rock and goes "This is why we're here, because this little rock sells for (forget the number, but it was many millions) and then he just sets it back on his desk, COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED OR LOCKED AWAY, lol. (Would tens of millions really be that much at all 150 years from now?)

 

[MasterKirov]

You are forgetting that all of those animals are fiercely territorial... and what has the industrial-military complex been doing all this time? Invading their territory and burning down their nests/homes. At this point, they are PISSED.

True, but they haven't shown up in that kind of numbers at all. Not to mention with said deforestation, it's going to kill quite a few of them. Not to mention despite word going around the whole of Pandora, the Na'vi only gain 2,000 warriors. Allow me to emphesise that figure - 2,000?!?! In perspective, there are 6 billion human beings on Earth today, and no doubt more at the point Avatar sets us up with.

 

[Danpascooch]

Where is Zuko's mom ?

Oh that Avatar?

lol, still, good question.

 

[TheDoctor455]

You are forgetting that all of those animals are fiercely territorial... and what has the industrial-military complex been doing all this time? Invading their territory and burning down their nests/homes. At this point, they are PISSED.

True, but they haven't shown up in that kind of numbers at all. Not to mention with said deforestation, it's going to kill quite a few of them. Not to mention despite word going around the whole of Pandora, the Na'vi only gain 2,000 warriors. Allow me to emphesise that figure - 2,000?!?! In perspective, there are 6 billion human beings on Earth today, and no doubt more at the point Avatar sets us up with.

1. Pandora is a moon, and is thus smaller than the Earth.
2. The Na'vi don't have the technology or inclination to use faster modes of travel, and since communication is limited to word-of-mouth, this would take a while.
3. Even once word had reached some of the more distant tribes, they might not believe the news.
4. I seriously doubt that all 6 billion + humans would be trying to colonize Pandora. It just wouldn't be practical.
5. Back to the critters thing... think of it this way, as their territory was being encroached on and they saw members of their own species being picked off, these critters would do what any animal would do: run away. And judging from what I can remember about what was revealed about Pandora's geography, this would push these critters back to more or less the same general area as to where the Na'vi were.

 

[Danpascooch]

Was there in actual part showing him picking up the gun and going out to keep fighting after his avatar had died?

Yes

Yeah there was, but then again, that really doesn't make any more sense then him disappearing with no explanation anyway, what the fuck was he doing? Trying to see how quickly he could get eaten by a big colorful animal?