McOrdinaryish said:
funguy2121 said:
Evil is a real phenomenon and not just a characterization of the mind.
Free will is not an illusion.
Although I did meet a person on here who argued against the latter point, and his points were well thought out. I enjoyed debating him even though, as I told him, I found his premise ridiculous.
I'm honestly curious, how exactly is evil a real phenomenon, when it can be only measured by arbitrary scales.
And there is absolutely no proof that free will exists.
Hooray, a challenge! You know, your own assertions kind of seem a little arbitrary...
You can, if you decide, to deconstruct anything, but you've only done so in your head and the conclusions to which such an exercise brings you may or may not have any real world applications. Anyone who's ever encountered a bully in jr. high knows that there is evil in the world. As for the creation of an evil-meter, as you seem to suggest, bah, I'm not interested. I may not be able to MEASURE evil but I can certainly IDENTIFY it. Now, understand, I'm not suggesting that it's not also a word thrown around by certain shady politicians (*cough*Bush*cough*) to paint whomever opposes them as naughty little boys or justify the unjustifiable. I don't think you could effectively characterize rape and murder as anything but evil. After all, if good and evil are just constructs then there should be no incentive to obey any laws or any moral code whatsoever, and if you and I met in person who was bigger would kill the other and steal his belongings.
You arguing that free will doesn't exist, proves that it exists. Tell me, what force do you suppose is benefitting from deluding us into thinking that we have any say in our own lives, and what is your evidence that all of our senses are lying to us?
See, in the absence of absolutely irrefutable evidence (and that seems to be pretty damned scarce), siding with the unfeasible just seems counterintuitive.