Points you can't argue against?

[Azure-Supernova]

We're all gonna die eventually...

 

[MattRooney06]

in that case how do we know that at the minuite sciance has jumped to the conclusion of stuff we belive today...your saying sciance is allways wrong as it jumps to conclusions and then "fixes them"

eg

we used to think the world was flat
then we found it wasnt
we then belived that the sun and moon revolved round the earth and there was nothing else in space
we then found that those were false
we then thought that there were no planets after pluto
we were wrong
and so on


you see im not saying one is right and the other is wrong

and about the bible being an "old book"

History is completley learnt from old books, letters, art work and even imprints in the ground

why is the bible not just another hiostory book




"ok im bigging to like this debate"

 

[FallenRainbows]

That I'm in love with Chloé. And that she is my ex. Ha!

Hmm... That's quite bad isn't it? C'est la vie. *sighs and tottles of to bed*

 

[funguy2121]

(1)I love it how you use big words to sound smart.. But to counter your argument.. (2)There is no such thing as evil.. Evil is a tool created by mankind to regulate the so called CIVILIZATION. Evil and Good is what keeps order in this delicate society.. So in fact they don't exist they are put in place so that we don't revert to (3)what humans really are animals.. We have this idea that were so superior over the other species.. So Evil and Good is our excuse to not act like them.. Instead of pure instinct we rely on (4)greed and and (5)constant drive for something we know doesn't exist.. Or (6)"HOPE"..

We keep fooling ourselves that all the time we waist in our lives for trivial things is not such a waist.. When if we were really so superior.. We wouldn't fight over (7)limitless resources.. (8)And with our current technology we can make those limitless resources truly limitless.. Instead we kill each other and find better and new ways to kill each other for all the things we don't need... And as a way to soften the blow.. and to answer the scary questions in our early stages of being a new species.. We created religious.. To answer the question of what happens after you die.. It then became a way to gain those resources by saying your god was the real god or "Gods" And just by saying this you gave yourself the right to kill another human being..

And then this spawned the current idea of whats Right and Wrong.. By going on what the Prophets said in the most popular religions those became the guidelines of what to do and what not to do to ensure your life after you die.. Now to prove it even further.. If you go back in time you will see that the perception of Right and Wrong changes over the years.. (9)And you will notice that it always changes to benefit someone.. I hope i made that as clear as possible.. It was kinda hard to put into words..

(1)Welcome to the Escapist, troll. Keep this up and you might find yourself not lasting too long. I use the words that find their way from in my head to my lips. I speak just like I write, which is to say I give everyone who can hear/read the benefit of the doubt of understanding me, even if I suspect they may not. But since you accused me of being a pedantic sort of person, I will inform you that it's spelled "waste." In the future, when attempting to insult someone, it would look better on you to use proper spelling and grammar.

(2)Let's deal with what we actually know before we get into theory. Humankind invented/discovered RELIGION and instituted it as a response to evil. Now, as big and bright as you find my words I can't possibly describe this as well as the great Patton Oswalt, so...
If you can back up evil only being a construct, do so and I'd be happy to discuss it with you. But once again, I don't think you can describe a situation in which rape or murder is justified (murder here being defined as MURDER, not combat or self-defense).

(3)You say we "really are animals" as if that precludes us from being something else, which it doesn't. Different folks have different words for it, but we have sentience, which no other species possesses. So we can rape and pillage and destroy all who oppose us, or we can, in a (somewhat) civil manner, debate the nature of evil on an internet forum. Because we have the ability to choose not to be wild dogs.

(4)Too many of us rely on greed.

(5)That's why I'm not a huge fan of mysticism...

(6)...but I do believe in faith. Just not faith without evidence. I've seen quite a bit of good and I believe that I'll see it again. This is faith to me. Or hope, if you will.

(7)I honestly don't mean any insult here, but if you truly believe our resources are limitless, then you are delusional.

(8)How?

(9)See Plato, Aristotle, John Locke and a whole boatload of other thinkers. I see you didn't mention philosophy once. In the case of these thinkers and many others, the notions of right and wrong evolved to benefit EVERYONE.

 

[CrashBang]

The existence of God can neither be proven nor dis-proven.

Science can't prove that all the laws they come up with are not created by a divine being.
If a 'God' was revealed to humanity it could not be proven that it truly is a God, as any effects could be a hallucination or whatnot.

This.
Something a friend of mine told me I found to be quite interesting... nobody can prove the existence of anything outside their line of sight/sound/touch etc

 

[benoitowns]

I was born in Scotland.

You are a figment of my imagination. So you dont exist, and therefore couldnt have been born in Scotland.

 

[TheSeventhLoneWolf]

You can argue against this point.

*watches your head explode*

[HEADING=1]I WIN![/HEADING]

I cannot, and I will not.

-sits in the corner and plays tf2-

On topic: Everything can be argued against. Since everything has an opposite. Just turn the point around really. Some people can do this very well. So I've basically contradicted myself up there. But hey. That's life.

Also. ''I've just insulted myself so it takes all of the pleasure of you insulting me away''

 

[Yersinia pestis]

Religion is wrong

Science is wrong

theres no real proof for either

as a christian i often hear

Your wrong because sciance says the world was created by a big bang

maby you belive that im not saying its wrong just wheres the real evidence (same for christianity

how can science be wrong?

religion is definitly wrong in many ways because they all say different things (some must be wrong)

but science is accepted all over the world.

Science isn't always right either, about 500 years ago science said that the earth was the center of the universe and that it was flat. In another 500 years what scientific truths that we hold so dear will be laughed at as the crazy myths of the uneducated masses?

500 years ago we made assumptions, not gather scientific evidence

They used the evidence available to them, just as we use the evidence available to us.

 

[Festril]

i perceive the place i was born to be known as amarica

There is no place on the planet named "AMARACA"..

yes but i said i percieve the place to be known as such

 

[crudus]

1)The sky is blue on a cloudless Sunny day. I didn't say the sky was always blue.
2)I rarely hear a case of a man manipulating a women to be able to watch the game. But she can manipulate us to go shopping and such.
3) If your heart stops your body isn't being kept alive your dead. Leonidas is memory and isn't physically manifested to be interacted with.

Spoiler: 1.

..."blue" (the word) is ingrained into our heads when we are little and have no baring on what the color is. We have been taught that the sky is blue without learning it for ourselves. So, your "blue" (the color) could look like my "orange" (the color) and we would both say it is "blue"(the word).

Just to be a smart-ass: on what planet?
2.Because you aren't thinking. Men can manipulate for sex (women can fake an orgasm but a man can fake an entire relationship), for personal gratification(any emotionally abusive relationship), etc.
3. Your body doesn't make you you. It is your ideas and how you affect the world that does that. So, Leonidas isn't dead.

1) if i look at the sky with 10000 people and all answer truthfully that the sky looks blue. Then you walk over and say nope. Its orange. Then all 10,000 people hit you and say its blue. Would you still say its orange even though defining population would be saying its blue? I use the same argument on my friends. I hold an apple in my hand and punch you in the mouth when you tell me its an apple. I continue this until you think its a banana. I then continue to train you until you actually believe its a Banana. But its not. Its an apple. Just cause one person or even 1 million people say something isn't what it is the other 6.499 billion will say the truth. Then they are wrong?
2)Men can. But when it comes to a girl manipulating men its as simple as. Sex? for men its. If shes into being treated like shit i'll do that. If shes wants a nice guy i'll do that. This can continue for years and if someone is Stupid enough to stay with someone when they blatantly don't have any emotions for them then they deserve the abuse.
3) K. you go find his beating heart and body. A memory can't die it can only fade away. Key word being memory. He is not a Physical manifestation that can interact with objects and make independent decisions. He died and his memory started.

1. There was once a time when people thought the world was flat.
2. I'm not sure what your point was here.
3. This is why I hate arguing with you: you don't listen. My point is it depends on your definition of death.

 

[Tartarga]

If there is a reason for everything then why do little four year old kids have leukemia? I can't argue against this because i'm the one saying it.

 

[Guy32]

Rape is bad.

Not for the rapist, Point invalid

touche

Seriously? Suspended? Not only did he make a valid observation- but it was also funny as hell. I could see it if he constantly posted two-word "+1" posts, but I read through some of his stuff and he doesn't make a habit of it.

Political Correctness on the internets- serious business.

Whoa, I didn't even realize he got banned for that. I've seen comments much worse than that without the person even getting probation.

And there were at least like 4 other people to argue against me and got nothing. That was harsh.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

that I cannot come up with anything witty to say in this thread.

 

[crudus]

1. There was once a time when people thought the world was flat.
2. I'm not sure what your point was here.
3. This is why I hate arguing with you: you don't listen. My point is it depends on your definition of death.

1) Yeah. And when challenged then successfully ventured out the idea was changed The world used to be the center of the universe. Yet if you go out screaming "the sky is orange look its orange" people will think your a nut job and the only people you can prove are those who are color blind and see Blue as orange.
2)Its easier for women to manipulate men through lies and if women get manipulated or are in a abusive relationship and don't leave they deserve it. Hell if anyone is in a abusive relationship and doesn't leave it they deserve it. Men and women alike.
3) I'm gonna type slow cause it seems you can't wrap your mind around this. If i kill you buy separating your head from your shoulders with a 50. Cal bullet you will die. Your Physical form ceases to continue aging and what you were made up of begins to rot. As your Body is degraded into a mulch on which the environment you were apart of new life will grow out of you. Bug and such. Over time your very essence will cease to exist on this planet. Your EXACT genetic code will have disappeared. Now lets say everyone on this planet knew who you were and of your exploits. And they talk fondly of you and have statues on every corner. But this are statues made of concrete. Your memories are just images sounds and thoughts of you. your very Electrical essence on a molecular level has been moved all over the planet and you no longer exist as your body did. Now. People remember you and they lame ass saying is :If you hold someone in your heart they will never truly die" or some bullshit like that. NO! they are DEAD! when someone dies they are dead. "Death ? noun the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism." Unless your someone that thinks being remembered will keep you "Alive ? adjective having life; living; existing; not dead or lifeless." I have lost family and friends. Guys what. Their memories are alive. But they are dead. In essence their physical form no longer exist with life. You can Say "but how do you define death?". There is one definition that is true for death and to say Someone isn't dead because of their memories doesn't make them a zombie a alive. They are dead. D E A D. If i die tomorrow i will be remembered but i will only be remembered in memory. Unless i am given a Second life and continue functioning as a sentient being or even if i am a vegetable i am dead.

1. This is because we are told the sky is blue. The question is would you still think the sky is blue if you weren't raised being taught colors?
2. Wait, so it is ok for females to manipulate men for whatever through whatever means but not ok when men do it?
3. (I like how your definitions used the words they were defining) But what separates inefficient, self-replicating chemical reactions and life? What is the difference between someone spreading joy, enjoying their life, and learning all they can and someone who just drifts through life waiting for it to end?

p.s. I have always loved your want or need to avoid a philosophical debate like the plague.

 

[Carboncrown]

You can, if you decide, to deconstruct anything, but you've only done so in your head and the conclusions to which such an exercise brings you may or may not have any real world applications.

That applies to every thought I've ever had...

Anyone who's ever encountered a bully in jr. high knows that there is evil in the world.

Now I'm no psychologist, but a bully seems to be an exellent example. Usually they are normal people, driven into their actions by their own misfortune, possible bad parenting and misdirected anger.

These actions are seen as inappropriate, by societys rules, and normal moral codes, wich are based on the well being of the majority, and emotions. That's why they are seen as evil.

As for the creation of an evil-meter, as you seem to suggest, bah, I'm not interested. I may not be able to MEASURE evil but I can certainly IDENTIFY it.

Now, I hate to do this, but how exactly is evil a real phenomenon, when it can be only identified by arbitrary directives?

Now, understand, I'm not suggesting that it's not also a word thrown around by certain shady politicians (*cough*Bush*cough*) to paint whomever opposes them as naughty little boys or justify the unjustifiable. I don't think you could effectively characterize rape and murder as anything but evil.

Right, I can't. But here's the catch, in medievil times they were seen as acceptable under certain conditions.

After all, if good and evil are just constructs then there should be no incentive to obey any laws or any moral code whatsoever, and if you and I met in person who was bigger would kill the other and steal his belongings.

Since when has something needed to be real, for the human mind to see it as such?

As for other reasons to obey laws, fear of punishment and the fact that rules are(mostly) created for the good of society, and you could realise that you're a part of it and what's good for it, is good for you. Wich is the reason why we have feelings that cause the consept of good and evil. Since we are herd animals, and all that we really have is our numbers, such things like quilt and compassion are required.

You arguing that free will doesn't exist, proves that it exists. Tell me, what force do you suppose is benefitting from deluding us into thinking that we have any say in our own lives, and what is your evidence that all of our senses are lying to us?

See, in the absence of absolutely irrefutable evidence (and that seems to be pretty damned scarce), siding with the unfeasible just seems counterintuitive.

Ok, for me it all comes down to wether or not souls exists, wich eventually comes to consepts that are as far as I know, beyond the human mind, so im giving it a 50/50.

Since you went and said it cant be argued against, I'm going with the whole determinism thing.

So no force needs to benefit or no reason for life needs to exist. And it could be that if every bit of info could be had and put in a super computer from the big bang, you could caculate what every particle will ever do. And every problem with that theory is simply because humans are too stupid.