Pokemon Is Mature: You Just Have To Look For It.
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I do agree that Pokemon isn't quite as innocent as one would think. Ghetsis and N's relationship being hinted to be his son who he abandoned and used in a pretty awful way. Having a father call his son a worthless freak made me feel so bad for N at the end of Black and White. In Black and White 2, Ghetsis uses Kyurem to try to kill you for knowing too much, usually the villains just want you to run home to your mother crying, not actually kill you.
I know that it's hinted in Black and White that Reshiram incinerated many people in the past who didn't pursue their personal truths. So I guess if the player couldn't find a way to catch it he/she would be burned to death for not being worthy, just like other would-be chosen heroes.
Also, Giratina's entrance in Platinum, one of the creepiest things I can think of. Giratina in general looks like it doesn't belong in Pokemon, it's apparently based on anti-matter, but I have seen the theories about it being the Pokemon Devil, although I wouldn't like to think of it like that since it's not really evil.
That's one thing I like about Pokemon, it's as complex as you want it to be, whether in the case of storyline, lore, or even the depth of the battle system.
I know that it's hinted in Black and White that Reshiram incinerated many people in the past who didn't pursue their personal truths. So I guess if the player couldn't find a way to catch it he/she would be burned to death for not being worthy, just like other would-be chosen heroes.
Also, Giratina's entrance in Platinum, one of the creepiest things I can think of. Giratina in general looks like it doesn't belong in Pokemon, it's apparently based on anti-matter, but I have seen the theories about it being the Pokemon Devil, although I wouldn't like to think of it like that since it's not really evil.
That's one thing I like about Pokemon, it's as complex as you want it to be, whether in the case of storyline, lore, or even the depth of the battle system.
I never said that you said they aren't fun. I read the post, I just think the entire topic is unimportant.Dragonbums said:
Edited for better word choice. "Unimportant" probably fits better for what I was going for.suntt123 said:
I agree with you, OP, in the same way kirby games are not as cute and cuddly as they seem. However, i don't actually think the pokedex can be reliable. I mean, according to that, Magcargo is hotter than the sun and kadabra was once a child, who gains like, what, 5000 iq when he evolves? That's slightly preposterous.
Actually, in the original anime, when Ash's Krabby was sent to Professor Oak due to being his seventh pokemon, he was worried Oak might eat him, what with crab being delicious, and all.Caiphus said:
I kinda see what you're trying to get at, but I still wouldn't call it mature just in those tidbits. If it delved into mature themes a little deeper, then you could consider it mature. But so far, Pokemon has been very shallow.
Harry Potter is another good example. Rowling definitely touches on mature themes in her books, but she doesn't go very deep.
Pokemon is such an interesting world, but there's too much risk in limiting themselves for future games if they go too deep.
Harry Potter is another good example. Rowling definitely touches on mature themes in her books, but she doesn't go very deep.
Pokemon is such an interesting world, but there's too much risk in limiting themselves for future games if they go too deep.
I have to disagree, although my quibble is how I interpret the word "mature."
To me, something being enjoyable to all ages does not automatically make it mature. In fact, there are probably very few properties that can be watched by everyone and be called 'mature,' except for Watership Down and to a lesser extent, Bambi (no really). Pokemon's lightness of tone is pervasive throughout the series. Which is not to say that the gameplay isn't deep (especially if you ever do competitive play), but that's different form having a mature tone.
To me, something being enjoyable to all ages does not automatically make it mature. In fact, there are probably very few properties that can be watched by everyone and be called 'mature,' except for Watership Down and to a lesser extent, Bambi (no really). Pokemon's lightness of tone is pervasive throughout the series. Which is not to say that the gameplay isn't deep (especially if you ever do competitive play), but that's different form having a mature tone.
Never in my life played a Pokemon game, but I must thank you for remind me to create a Thread I wanted to do and I forgot for a mysterious reason [you will understand what I mean when you see]
Anyway, to your Thread.
I read a little, but I get your point.
But there are many things in Pokemon world that you can describe as mature.
I mean, as I said I never played a Pokemon game, but even I know THIS Pokemon:
"A Lonely Pokémon. It wears its mother's skull as a helmet--for this reason, no one has ever seen its face. It sometimes sees its departed mother's face in the full moon, which causes it to grow sad and cry. The stains on the skull are tracks of its tears. When it cries, the skull shakes and emits a mournful sound. When it levels up, it evolves into Marowak."
.....................It wears its mother's skull as a helmet
It is like you saying Jason Voorhees took his mothers skull and wear it like a hat hunting down his victims.
Anyway, to your Thread.
I read a little, but I get your point.
But there are many things in Pokemon world that you can describe as mature.
I mean, as I said I never played a Pokemon game, but even I know THIS Pokemon:
"A Lonely Pokémon. It wears its mother's skull as a helmet--for this reason, no one has ever seen its face. It sometimes sees its departed mother's face in the full moon, which causes it to grow sad and cry. The stains on the skull are tracks of its tears. When it cries, the skull shakes and emits a mournful sound. When it levels up, it evolves into Marowak."
.....................It wears its mother's skull as a helmet
It is like you saying Jason Voorhees took his mothers skull and wear it like a hat hunting down his victims.
I never said that you said they aren't fun. I read the post, I just think the entire topic is unimportant.[/quote]FinalHeart95 said:
How is this topic unimportant?
I made this thread so people can share around info on other theories and speculations about the lore surrounding Pokemon.
A lot of this isn't really made up shit.
The premise of this thread is to talk about just how dark the inner workings of Pokemon can be when you actually take the time to look into the dialogue.
If this doesn't interest you, then fine.
However I have seen plenty of other threads in the Gaming Discussion section that I thought was useless too.
However you don't see me going in there and telling them that the topic is irrelevant.
It's not a mature game overall.rasputin0009 said:
However it's one of those games that have dark underpinnings if one was so interested in looking for it.
Which is kind of what I want to discuss about in this tread.
I don't want Pokemon to change or anything.
I also don't think they would limit themselves IF they went as far as to dig deeper into the themes they left behind. Should it be part of the main series?
No.
I think it would be nice if they made a separate franchise spinoff that focused on those very plots, and those specific characters.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon for example has the potential to dig into these things without fear of reprecussion because it established itself as a JRPG Dungeon crawler with Pokemon in it. Not a child's game.
To generalize and say that they are mature games as a fact would be incorrect. As much as I agree, but it really is a disputable arguement. Maturity is the ability to respond to the environment in an appropriate manner. This response is generally learned rather than instinctive, and is not determined by one's age. It's perceived.
This not surprising from Pokemon, as its written that way. Stuff like that can make it more interesting. Old folk tales regularly feature certain themes that some might find harder to take these days. Maybe Pokemon builds on that.
Yeah, Pokemon are like chicken and can be eaten. Why let good meat go to waste, right? In some of the Pokemon manga they are killed in fights with resutls you'll never see in the tv series. While not my wheelhouse, it makes Pokemon cool despite its contrived collecting spiel.
Yeah, Pokemon are like chicken and can be eaten. Why let good meat go to waste, right? In some of the Pokemon manga they are killed in fights with resutls you'll never see in the tv series. While not my wheelhouse, it makes Pokemon cool despite its contrived collecting spiel.
somonels said:
This is really sad, and yet so very interesting.
Would you care if I showed you a link of the supposed technological and societal advancements of Pokemon?
All speculation of course, but very interesting none the less.
I always thought the pokemon games where for both a childrens audience and those looking for deeper meaning in games (I don't want to say adults, adults can be very immature), especially in later games. They have for almost each game hinted at more and more "realistic" representations of the world, where cruelty exists behind closed doors. In black and white I thought it was pretty clear than N had been emotionally abused and restricted by Gethis throughout his childhood, as evidenced that we are told he was not even allowed to talk to humans, only abused pokemon. That with the verbal abuse at the end made me nervous.
Reading the pokedex, the in-game lore and all that really becomes interesting (and creepy), with details on how the pokemon attacks it's prey and such, showing us that they are the animals in the pokemon world, just way more fantastic. Seeing how the games have gone in this direction I am very interested in seeing how they turn out in the future, I just how they retain the charm I've come to love so much as well.
Reading the pokedex, the in-game lore and all that really becomes interesting (and creepy), with details on how the pokemon attacks it's prey and such, showing us that they are the animals in the pokemon world, just way more fantastic. Seeing how the games have gone in this direction I am very interested in seeing how they turn out in the future, I just how they retain the charm I've come to love so much as well.
Also how Yamask's mask is a copy of the dead person's face... *shudders*Khadhar said:
Would have quoted, but I'm on a crappy offshore computer with crappy offshore internet and it doesn't seem to work:
Regarding Cyrus being a crazy, emotionally void A-hole, I seem to remember something in Platinum about him touching Mespirit as a child thus removing the capacity for emotion from him. That would explain his frequent douchebaggery and his Seto Kaiba Abridged lack of emotion.
Regarding Cyrus being a crazy, emotionally void A-hole, I seem to remember something in Platinum about him touching Mespirit as a child thus removing the capacity for emotion from him. That would explain his frequent douchebaggery and his Seto Kaiba Abridged lack of emotion.