pokemon that you wanna love but they fall short (suck)

[him over there]

I'm disappointed in you Escapist. Nobody's pointed out that Hyper Beam is a special move now.

oh i had no idea guess thats a +1 on Gyarados havnt used it since gen 1 and 2 i played 3 and 4 but never used that move as i pointed up sorry for my ignorance

It's okay if you hadn't played Gen 4 you wouldn't have noticed the change. In Diamond and Pearl onwards they went through and made physical/special an attribute of each attack instead of its type. Then to compensate they made a physical move identical to Hyper Beam called Giga Impact.

Gyarados' physical move-pool got a little better when they did it, but it's still not fantastic. It's strongest water attack is 90 power, 90% accuracy... or Waterfall if you want 100% accuracy.

I'm disappointed in you Escapist. Nobody's pointed out that Hyper Beam is a special move now.

Why in the world would anybody use hyper beam. Hydro pump would be more powerful because of STAB, let alone the fact that any move requiring recharging is a waste.

Also this... unless you're a Slaking, then Giga Impact is good for a laugh

If you're using Slaking you pair yourself with a cofagrigus, give an enemy the mummy ability and then hit him with Slaking to get rid of truant.

 

[sextus the crazy]

Every flying, fire, ice and bug type ever. After all:

Also Absol because he is so badass but got totally shafted, all he has is night slash + super luck.

Edit: shit ninja'd

Not so much for 5th gen, now that Stealth rock isn't a TM anymore. Still, It's somewhat true.

my example is gyarados you know a water dragon should own right? but you get a lightning poke on it and not only does it double the attack it doubles it again since its flying and water! also it should have a good water/ice attack but its special atk sucks so its best move is hyper beam which sucks

This arguement was immediately made invalid in GenIV when Gyarados gained Aqua Tail as a level move.

He gets STAB with it and it does 90 base damage, boosted by the STAB. Since it's a Physical move, that means it benefits from his high Attack.

Proceed to kill everything.


Anyway, I says Smeargle.

A Pokemon whose Signature move Sketch can permanantly learn ANY move (Aeroblast, Outrage, Blast Burn, you name it)? A single evo? Well, he should have pretty good stats, right?

No, Smeargle has horrible stats. If only his base stat total were boosted by a spread of about thirty-to-fifty he'd be useful enough, but as it is he's weak like nobody's business.

Spore
Lock-on
1-hit ko move
other 1-hit ko move

There's a reason he was banned from tournaments when he was released. There were very few counters to a fast Smeargle with a Quick Claw back then, and even now, I've taken people unawares by it.

OT: I'm gonna have to go with Charizard. Just way too much working against him to be viable.

Taunt totally kills the set, as does mach punch/vacuum wave anything. In fact, lots of stuff counters smeargle.

 

[him over there]

Taunt totally kills the set, as does mach punch/vacuum wave anything. In fact, lots of stuff Everything counters smeargle.

I never liked taunt, whenever I use it the opponent predicts and goes into a sweeper but it never works out when I use it. Stealth rock is still sort of a big issue since you can just bring over your fourth gen rocks user after using the tm.

 

[sextus the crazy]

Taunt totally kills the set, as does mach punch/vacuum wave anything. In fact, lots of stuff Everything counters smeargle.

I never liked taunt, whenever I use it the opponent predicts and goes into a sweeper but it never works out when I use it. Stealth rock is still sort of a big issue since you can just bring over your fourth gen rocks user after using the tm.

Yeah, I know stealth rock is important, but it's not 4th gen, the generation that stealth rock defined.

 

[him over there]

Taunt totally kills the set, as does mach punch/vacuum wave anything. In fact, lots of stuff Everything counters smeargle.

I never liked taunt, whenever I use it the opponent predicts and goes into a sweeper but it never works out when I use it. Stealth rock is still sort of a big issue since you can just bring over your fourth gen rocks user after using the tm.

Yeah, I know stealth rock is important, but it's not 4th gen, the generation that stealth rock defined.

That's true, but Stealth rocks older brother spikes seem to be growing in popularity thanks to the powercreep encouraging a bulkier metagame, and let's not forget Ferrothorn.

 

[TheSapphireKnight]

I love Umbreon but man it lacks any sort of attack power in any category and doesn't really have access to any quality moves. TMs are pretty much the only way to give quality movesets

 

[Goregasm]

I haven't played a Pokemon since there were only 150 of the things, but the star of my lineup was my Farfetch'd.

He was sorely outclassed, but a duck fencing with an onion sprig tickled me enough that I didn't care.

 

[Ryotknife]

I still use Beedrill in every game (super effective's comic "your drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens!" bit made me love him even more)

granted the last pokemon game i played was silver

 

[mrhappy1489]

Honchkrow is kind of a waste. It has really bad defence stats and fairly average speed, which can be countered by a LOT of pokemon, making it at best, a quick claw sweeper. Zoroark would be in the same boat, however thanks to it having illusion, I have a lot of time for that particular little guy/chick.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I'm the kinda person who will use whatever Pokemon he wants because he can.

I've never beaten a game, but I did get to the end once with only using a Pidgey that was overpowered. I never really understood the concept of grinding my Pokemon when I was younger, so I really never had a full team. Always just one Pokemon that was at least 30 levels above everyone else.

 

[Erana]

Umm... Gyarados doesn't suck at all. Aside from his electric weakness, he's damn tough. One of the better pokes in the game.

I think Charizard probably qualifies, though. I mean, he LOOKS really impressive but he's got WAAAY to many weaknesses, and a somewhat-shallow movepool.

i do like him but he should be water dragon not water flying since he doesnt self learn any flying moves

That's Balance, if he was water dragon he would only be weak to dragon. Of which there was only one type (Dragonite familt) when he first appeared. He needs to be weak to lightning or else he would be nigh unstoppable. .

Balance in Gen 1? Pffft...

Gayrados is a bit of an anomoly, type-wise, yes, but with all the crazy things going on on the good ol' Gameboy, I think they were just on a bit of moon logic.
I mean, I do have a theory that there might have been some kind of weird shuffle going on with "Flying" "Dragon" and "Bird," what with "Bird" type being programmed into the game, and Gayrados was just never fixed or something, but we'll never know...

Still, I kind of miss the wonkiness of Gen 1... Likely mostly due to nostalgia, but I also like each type somehow having a general theme going for it. (poison/status, rock/tank, psychic/glass cannon, etc) I suppose its inevitable for those themes to change as you make more and more pokemon without doing too much to the types themselves...

Anyway, back on topic.
I like dunsparce. A lot. I don't know why, but its derpiness is adorable to me. It may also have something to do with my liking annoyer pokemon. (serene grace, ftw)

I also really like Venomoth, and wish it were just... better. At least its only a second stage; it has more going for it in the future with the possibility of a third evolution than the likes of any bugs out there with a cocoon stage of a doomed tomorrow.

Oh, and Sableye and Grumpig. I just never enjoyed the third gen like I did any other generation, (Even FireRed; I think the Aesthetic just really put me off for some reason) but I did like these two pokemon and I wish I could do more with them. Also, why doesn't Grumpig get a bonus for holding pearls?

I mean, there are a ton of average pokemon that I really like out there, (Dusknoir, Hypnos, Bronzong, Froslass, Flygon, Lanturn, Relicanth, Crobat, Tentacruel, etc) but they don't suck, they're more just, well... average, as I said.
Nothing's stopping me from using most of these pokemon in a normal playthrough, though.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

I'm going to have to join the Charizard train. So much potential in that pokemon...

If they had made it Fire/Dragon, it would have been a beast. Even better if it obtained the ability Levitate, so it would nullify Ground-type moves and, thus, remove a type weakness.

That being said, I still want to see more non-legendary dual type Dragon pokemon. I believe the only pokemon dual types that aren't legendaries are Water, Flying and Ground. The Hydreigon family is a psuedo-legendary, so I guess Dark can be included as well. However, that's still leaves eleven other types to go!

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Spheal! He's so delightful to look at, but even after he evolves and becomes painfully ugly (no one knows that Lass' pain like I do), he's still a loser. Quite the shame.

Of course, I've lost all interest in the series as of a few years ago, but I'll always remember Spheal.

 

[Tazzy da Devil]

The latest one is Liepard. I love how it looks, and I put it in my party, but it kinda sucked. I had to take it out again.

 

[Matt King]

the eevee family, i've always wanted to have an entire party with just eevee evolutions but they always let me down
kinda relevant

 

[TimeLord]

Pikachu is a disappointment. While most of the time he will go first due to his high speed stat, he can't one hit-KO tough enemies so then gets shafted in the defence department when to takes the inevitable counter attack. Raichu solves most of these problems but it's a shame Pikachu is so weak.

Also Porygon, I love Porygon but it's so weak compared to it's two evolutions that it's not worth training it unless you plan to evolve it.

 

[RJ 17]

edit: gyarados is better then i thought i retract it. It's a awesome pokemon

I was gonna say, I haven't played many pokemon games, but I do know two things for certain: Always pick Fire as your starter, and get yourself a Gyrados for a DAMN good tank/water type.

As for my own suggestion to the topic, I forget what it's called, but it's the final evolution for Ninjask, that floating golden beetle thing. Seems like it would be the perfect specialty pokemon...the only thing that can hurt it are attacks that it has a specific type-weakness to. Well, unfortunately it seemms that EVERY SINGLE POKEMON has at least one attack that is effective against bug and/or dark type (mostly Bug, though) and as such your "invincible" golden beetle will quite often end up getting destroyed.