Police officer kills two police dogs.

[Amnestic]

A lot of internet tough guys here.

The guy made a mistake, no doubt about that. Toss him a fine, maybe a good deal of community service and a demotion, but prison and losing his job (which will effectively keep him out of the Police Force for the rest of his life if what my friend, also a Police Officer, said is true)? That's really harsh.

They're dogs guys. They're not human.

Agreed, despite the no firearm thing in England. Every summer they do PSAs about "dont leave your so and so unattended in a hot car", a police officer should be very well aware of these things. Its common sense.

"To err is human, to forgive divine."
"Let he who is without Sin cast the first stone."
"Some other line about forgiveness."

When you guys come to me and tell me you've never forgotten anything important, I'll consider thinking otherwise but what I see right now are a bunch of flared tempers over someone making a mistake which cost precisely zero humans their lives or wellbeing. Destroying possibly his entire livelihood is extreme to say the least.

And I'd bet £10 of the Queen's finest pound sterling these are the same guys telling us we're too nanny state and too harsh on people as well. Hypocrisy abound.

Listen. The man is a police officer. His job is to do what? Uphold the LAW. When the police break the law, they are to be held as accountable as the law can hold them. You don't give them a slap on the wrist. They know the goddamn law, or so they should. It's their fucking job. I have no sympathy for this guy. You broke the law, and now you must pay for it. I've forgotten plenty of things in my day but never once have I been so stupid or negligent to leave two living beings to be cooked in a car on a hot day. Fuck this guy, he deserves what he gets. Your argument that it doesn't matter because it was just animals is flawed. It doesn't matter whether or not it was a dog or not. It's fucking illegal.

So, you do something illegal and suddenly you deserve being locked in a car on a scorching hot day?

Last time I checked, the Death Penalty, and torture are illegal in the UK. Yet the people here are all for locking him in a car and giving him "an eye for an eye" so to speak. Way to leave the whole world blind.

There are different levels of crime, though I'm sure you're aware of that. People are treating him like here committed premeditated serial murderer where really he's just a victim of gross negligence at most.

Shoplifting's illegal too, does that mean we should go into a shoplifters house and steal one of his possessions? Slippery slope fallacy here.

He's not a victim, stop making this moron sound like he had something done to him. He is the perpetrator and the dogs were his victims.

Since when was I advocating him as the victim? He's clearly done something wrong but the people here are acting like he should die for it. I'm advocating a punishment which doesn't completely crush a man's life and then make him a burden on the state by imprisoning him for something which is frankly not that big of a deal.

Think pragmatically, rather than emotionally.

 

[sniper9474]

After all of the campains and the such like of 'dogs die in hot cars', theres no way that a cop could just leave them in their with out knowing. Fine, job, jail, no more animals.

 

[Xbowhyena]

I think the fact that he's a cop should have no effect on his punishment. Handle him like a normal person, no more, no less.

 

[Kriptonite]

Don't fire him or put him in jail, just put him in a car on a hot day until he dies.

That's the key. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..or something like that. But he didn't at least put the windows down? That is gross negligence. He deserves to be fired and jail is a bit over the top but a fine IS perfectly acceptable.

 

[asinann]

There are different levels of crime, though I'm sure you're aware of that. People are treating him like here committed premeditated serial murderer where really he's just a VICTIM of gross negligence at most.

Shoplifting's illegal too, does that mean we should go into a shoplifters house and steal one of his possessions? Slippery slope fallacy here.


Since when was I advocating him as the victim? He's clearly done something wrong but the people here are acting like he should die for it. I'm advocating a punishment which doesn't completely crush a man's life and then make him a burden on the state by imprisoning him for something which is frankly not that big of a deal.

Think pragmatically, rather than emotionally.

The large letters there, that's where you advocated him as the victim, whether you intended to or not.
Keep in mind, in America this man would have been locked up until trial with an insanely high bail set and multiple murder charges brought just because police dogs are treated as human under the law.

 

[Seydaman]

If you are stupid enough to leave two living beings in a car on a hot day, when you know what will happen, I'm scared what you will do with a gun. He deserves to be fired.

UK police officers dont carry guns.

couldn't he have rolled down the windows?

 

[Seydaman]

how about a fine and no more dogs?

 

[Mekado]

Wow, people need to calm down and breathe a little, prison (keep in mind prison for a cop is 10x worse than prison for anyone else, except maybe child molesters)AND being fired AND a fine ?

Get real.

I'd say a fine + demotion and/or suspension without pay is enough, it's not like he was teasing the dogs and watching them die, everyone makes mistakes, even policemen.

If Joe anybody would leave his dog in his car and the dog died, there wouldn't even be a *mention* of prison time, why is it different for a cop ?

 

[Miss_M]

If you are stupid enough to leave two living beings in a car on a hot day, when you know what will happen, I'm scared what you will do with a gun. He deserves to be fired.

UK police officers dont carry guns.

Actually, they do. Every town has to have one armed unit at all times.

Christ! whats wrong with you people? They were dogs! They weren't even pet dogs. They werent near and dear to anyone. They were tools, used to find drugs and bombs, maybe even attack people, and yet you all say he is the worst kind of man, even going so far as to say he should die. I'll never understand why anti-speceism is so popular. Hes no murderer. Did anyone here consider maybe he did it on accident? Maybe he forgot to open the windows a bit. Maybe he went to get a cup of coffee, got to chatting, and lost track of time. There are a whole host of possibilities, but no-one here considers them.
I think that a suspension is probably right, after all he has cost the police a few hundered dollars and man hours in killing the dogs. He most certainly does not deserve a prison sentence, but a small fine may be in order.

Have you any idea how much time and money it takes to train these animals? Clearly not. If anything the fact that they were working animals makes them more worthy than any pet animal! There is no way to justify it. "Oh what if he went to get coffee and got distracted." Oh boo-hoo, now I'm suddenly on his side. If he'd left his gun around and someone got injured you wouldn't be trying to justify his actions this way. In exactly the same way he has a responsibility to the animals in his care and he was grossly neglegent and deserves his ass to be fired as such, and a ban from keeping animals. You have to leave animals more than half an hour for them to die. It's ridiculously arrogant and more than a little stupid to only place value on human life.

 

[Travdelosmuertos]

Think pragmatically, rather than emotionally.

I still don't see a proper response to my post you blatantly misquoted after not reading.

 

[Olfinbedwere]

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[Mekado]

Is animal training required to get into the police force?

No.

He should not have lost his job.

Might be required for the K9 unit though, i don't know but it seems reasonable to me.

 

[NotAPie]

He deserves to be fired... Out of a cannon...

...to the moon...

 

[ssgt splatter]

If you are stupid enough to leave two living beings in a car on a hot day, when you know what will happen, I'm scared what you will do with a gun. He deserves to be fired.

This basically.

 

[vampirekid.13]

Dogs have mothers too. They weren't a pair of pliers, they were living breathing creatures. If nobody cared about you would it be ok if you were killed? Those beings would've lovingly laid down their lives to protect that man and he left them in a car to die.

There are very few who would care if I died. Mostly immediate family. A dogs mother, though, doesnt care if their pup dies, I have seen wolves eat members of there own pack, and a mother dog go and bury her own pup when it died without second thought and go right back to her other pups.
If we were to carry your beleifes to their logical conclusions, should we not also harbor flys or mosquitos as pets? as they too feel pain and breath. Why dont we all stop eating chicken, as surely putting them to death is wrong too. Nature is unforgiving, and the only reason we have grown soft is because we have eliminated nature from our environments. As short as 50 years ago, if those two dogs had died no-one would have batted an eye. He may have been suspended for monetary reasons but not for killing a few dogs.

so its ok to kill a creature that no one cares/will mourn. got you.


so that video of the 2 teens killing that homeless man is definately ok. because his death did not affect anyone and no one mourned him.


so you are saying people should kill homeless people to clean the streets and for sport, because no one cares about a homeless person with no family.

im glad we have that settled, now im going to go grab a knife and get to work.

 

[ljd184]

he should have lost his job and and made to pay the same amount of the dogs training cost

 

[Harold Donchee]

Christ! whats wrong with you people? They were dogs! They weren't even pet dogs. They werent near and dear to anyone. They were tools, used to find drugs and bombs, maybe even attack people, and yet you all say he is the worst kind of man, even going so far as to say he should die. I'll never understand why anti-speceism is so popular. Hes no murderer. Did anyone here consider maybe he did it on accident? Maybe he forgot to open the windows a bit. Maybe he went to get a cup of coffee, got to chatting, and lost track of time. There are a whole host of possibilities, but no-one here considers them.
I think that a suspension is probably right, after all he has cost the police a few hundered dollars and man hours in killing the dogs. He most certainly does not deserve a prison sentence, but a small fine may be in order.

How do you know they werent dear to anyone? People train their pets as police dogs and lend them to the department. Those 2 probably belonged to someone who let the police use them to help out others. Even if it was an accident it doesnt make it any better. Lets say im shooting targets with my friend and accidentally shoot him in the head. I tell the judge it was an accident. You think hes going to say "Oh well its ok then. Just be more careful next time"? No.

 

[Mekado]

so its ok to kill a creature that no one cares/will mourn. got you.


so that video of the 2 teens killing that homeless man is definately ok. because his death did not affect anyone and no one mourned him.


so you are saying people should kill homeless people to clean the streets and for sport, because no one cares about a homeless person with no family.

im glad we have that settled, now im going to go grab a knife and get to work.

Over-reacting much ?

You're comparing carelessness to premeditated murder ? really ?

 

[Ezekel]

Dogs are not people. Suspend the guy, and take away his right to have police dogs. Fine him for the amount it will take to train two more police dogs, call it a day. Fire him if you must, but no jail time.