Police shoot and kill another black man in Minneapolis, Amir Locke

[Buyetyen]

But I guess we can't be interested in sexism against men? Instead it can only ever be about the race of the victim.

It's more because the conversation is impossible to have with right-wingers because it's only ever a contest for them to see who is more oppressed. They never propose any viable solutions and mostly just demand that the world go back to letting them beat their wives legally.

If you want to be mad at anybody, be mad at the MRAs. They poisoned the well years ago.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Instead it can only ever be about the race of the victim.

In a thread about how a black man was lynched and the police tried to lie about it with racist leading? Yes, this is a black issue in this case, on top of a general policing issue.

 

[Generals]

In a thread about how a black man was lynched and the police tried to lie about it with racist leading? Yes, this is a black issue in this case, on top of a general policing issue.

"Lynched"... Murdered, yes. And the police will use about any kind of stupid excuses to defend their fuck-ups. They know racist leading works nicely due to some stereotypes still being pravalent among certain segments of the US population, stereotypes which are often associated to black men specifically. (being part of a gang, being a drug dealer, etc.)
And as I said, I do not discount the racist component, I complemented it with a little sauce of sexism.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

"Lynched"... Murdered, yes. And the police will use about any kind of stupid excuses to defend their fuck-ups. They know racist leading works nicely due to some stereotypes, stereotypes which are often associated to black men specifically. (being part of a gang, being a drug dealer, etc.)
And as I said, I do not discount the racist component

Then there's nothing to argue about.

 

[Seanchaidh]

This is one of the problems with the police.

The police have a strong organisational motivation for self-protection that unfortunately sometimes outweighs their honesty and accuracy.

Is it "sometimes"? Or is it "as often as they think they can get away with it"?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Hey, maybe don't let someone sidetrack this with "actually white guys have it the worst."

"Sure, black people get murdered by the police and then blamed for it, but chicks think I'm gonna spike their drinks! Do you KNOW how hard that makes it to spike their drinks?! Where's MY political action group?!"

...or are glad that a black man was killed by the police.

It's this one. Black people terrify them, so they want black people to be terrorized in turn. It's what they consider "equality".

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

But I guess we can't be interested in sexism against men? Instead it can only ever be about the race of the victim.

And this is getting brought up now because? We're arguing about this now because?

You know what I'm getting extremely tired of? Dudes only bringing this shit up when black people get killed. Why didn't you bring up Daniel Harris 4 years ago? Or any of the other white dudes that always get mentioned at times like this and never any other time. You want this All Lives Matter shit to stick, you have to bring it up outside times when black people get killed, and the only time I hear right wing sources talking about this is when they're whining about a dead black person getting coverage

 

[Leg End]

No-knocks were a fucking mistake.

Would not be the first time.

Seems like it happens more often than not. Giving a permit for committing armed home invasion to people that can't read a fucking address was a genius idea.

 

[Trunkage]

It's more because the conversation is impossible to have with right-wingers because it's only ever a contest for them to see who is more oppressed. They never propose any viable solutions and mostly just demand that the world go back to letting them beat their wives legally.

If you want to be mad at anybody, be mad at the MRAs. They poisoned the well years ago.

Look, I believe Feminist only really got this in the third wave, after existing for a hundred years - it's not necessarily white men that's the patriarchy, it's the rich ones. Poor white men get treated pretty poorly too.

I would like MRAs to pick this up but they tend to just copy and paste 1970s feminism they learnt through Schlattly and switch the genders without thinking about who treats them poorly

 

[Trunkage]

No-knocks were a fucking mistake.

Seems like it happens more often than not. Giving a permit for committing armed home invasion to people that can't read a fucking address was a genius idea.

Watching the video, I don't know how anyone could determine he was a threat in that amount of time

I CAN determine that he was asleep and is suddenly wondering what the fuck is going on. Even if he has a weapon, he's not going to be able to use it. But, after hearing Rittenhouse, they probably claim the blanket was threatening him. Free pass.

 

[Gordon_4]

No-knocks were a fucking mistake.

I was under the impression that a 'no-knock' warrant was exclusively for use against serious targets like heavily armed cartel sites, hostile foreign forces or known and active terrorist cells. What pray tell, was the reason for THIS warrant to be no-knock? Was this guy an arms dealer? Human trafficker?

 

[Generals]

And this is getting brought up now because? We're arguing about this now because?

He is a black man. Or does his blackness invalidate his masculinity or something weird like that?!

You know what I'm getting extremely tired of? Dudes only bringing this shit up when black people get killed. Why didn't you bring up Daniel Harris 4 years ago?

4 years ago i didn't think about the gender disparity in police shootings that much. And also because as a non American i am only ever in direct contact with shootings which are "high profile", which always happen to involve black victims. However I fail to see why the victim's race even matters as I have never invalidated the racial component;

I do not question well documented racial issues and I am not contesting black men are probably facing the worst kind of discrimination, i just pointed out people are overlooking the fact "men" are actually quite an over represented group in that department, across all races.

As I said, I do not question the racial issue but the gender issue seems to be quite prevalent as well. (and you'll always have "exceptions")

Just look at police shooting statistics in the US. Male victims account for the vast majority of them. And while black people do suffer from racism and are over represented,

Or any of the other white dudes that always get mentioned at times like this and never any other time. You want this All Lives Matter shit to stick, you have to bring it up outside times when black people get killed, and the only time I hear right wing sources talking about this is when they're whining about a dead black person getting coverage

All lives matter? No this was about "Men's lives matter".
You may also notice that I do not create topics often (like at all...) , not my fault all topics created are about police shootings involving black victims (and maybe that's a phenomenon worth questioning?). But again, this is not about me questioning the racial component, this was about the gender of the victim. You seem to have an issue with the idea that discrimination may occur for different reasons and that this victim may have been a victim because he was both black and a man.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Look, I believe Feminist only really got this in the third wave, after existing for a hundred years - it's not necessarily white men that's the patriarchy, it's the rich ones. Poor white men get treated pretty poorly too.

Without wanting to derail the thread further, gender issues and class issues aren't totally seperate, but they aren't the same thing either. The patriachy isn't just rich men, any more than the class system is just men who are rich.

 

[Leg End]

I was under the impression that a 'no-knock' warrant was exclusively for use against serious targets like heavily armed cartel sites, hostile foreign forces or known and active terrorist cells.

That's how they sold it, but you give em an inch and they take a mile. Exception becomes the rule.

What pray tell, was the reason for THIS warrant to be no-knock? Was this guy an arms dealer? Human trafficker?

Don't think we know most of the details of the warrant yet, but we do know he wasn't on it, so he got plugged because he was chilling on the 'wrong couch'.

 

[BrawlMan]

2 SWAT team members involved in Jaleel Stallings case were part of Locke raid • Minnesota Reformer

Two of the officers on a SWAT team that was caught on body camera video firing at citizens without warning from an unmarked cargo van just days after George Floyd’s police killing were involved in the raid that led to Amir Locke’s police killing Wednesday morning.

minnesotareformer.com

Of course of course.

What a lot of people want to do with incompetent and corrupt cops and SWAT.​

 

[BrawlMan]

Parents: Amir Locke 'executed'; mayor halts no-knock entries

The Minneapolis mayor has imposed a moratorium on no-knock warrants after Amir Locke was killed as a SWAT team carried out a search warrant in a downtown apartment.

apnews.com

NRA Silent as Amir Locke Slain by Police for Having a Gun He Legally Owned

Gun rights groups rarely stand up for Black licensed gun owners.

theintercept.com

‘We Need Something Different’: Protesters March in Minneapolis After Police Killing (Published 2022)

A large crowd of demonstrators gathered downtown days after the fatal shooting of Amir Locke, 22.

www.nytimes.com

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Cops Arrest Teen in Case Behind Fatal Amir Locke Shooting

Police said the fatal police shooting of the 22-year-old Black man was part of a homicide investigation that had nothing to do with him. Days after his death, they made an arrest.

www.thedailybeast.com

A small update. When this was fresh a lot of people asked why, if he was so innocent, he was hanging around with a killer?

The actual person the police were investigating when they killed Amir was his cousin. The apartment in question belonged to his cousin's brother's girlfriend.

 

[Trunkage]

Cops Arrest Teen in Case Behind Fatal Amir Locke Shooting

Police said the fatal police shooting of the 22-year-old Black man was part of a homicide investigation that had nothing to do with him. Days after his death, they made an arrest.

www.thedailybeast.com

A small update. When this was fresh a lot of people asked why, if he was so innocent, he was hanging around with a killer?

The actual person the police were investigating when they killed Amir was his cousin. The apartment in question belonged to his cousin's brother's girlfriend.

So... anyone associated with a suspect get a no-knock police raid

 

[Burnhardt]

So... anyone associated with a suspect get a no-knock police raid

Because anyone associated with a suspect must also be guilty of everything the suspect has been accused of.

How else can people (and I do not mean police) justify this sort of thing.

 

[Thaluikhain]

How else can people (and I do not mean police) justify this sort of thing.

The belief (justified or not) that it's only Them that this happens to, not them.