Police taser 10 year old.
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An 80 pound chimpanzee can kill a grown man. Size has nothing to do with the potential danger of a vicious attacker.joelmarkel said:
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When I was 10, I fought off 4 orderlies to avoid getting what I deemed an unnecessary injection of penicillin. These were men trained to do exactly what the cop is being condemned for failing to abide. There is no doubt in my mind that my behavior at the time was inappropriate, and the punishment I received of becoming violently ill for weeks certainly taught a lesson I never forgot. Upon reflection, I would have preferred being tazed.
What would he have done if she said, "Use lethal force."? Shot her?
A child threw a tantrum and she called the police? Wow. That's some top level mothering there.
I sympathise with the officer, really. She had kicked him in the nuts and was a potential hazard to herself. However I think most people are missing something here - It's a ten year old girl. Not even a ten year old boy, a girl. If an officer can't calm her down then I think he shouldn't be a police officer.
However, while I disagree with the officer's way of dealing with her, I think that mother needs to be taught a thing or two about vague parenting. Firstly - an unruly child that bad is a bad sign on the mother's part. Secondly - an unruly child should not be dealt with by the police. What if it was a teenage boy? Call in a fucking tank? Mortar fire? Thirdly - Good God woman! You just told a police officer that he could feel free to harm your child. Fucking nice. I hope she feels like a good parent now.
A child threw a tantrum and she called the police? Wow. That's some top level mothering there.
I sympathise with the officer, really. She had kicked him in the nuts and was a potential hazard to herself. However I think most people are missing something here - It's a ten year old girl. Not even a ten year old boy, a girl. If an officer can't calm her down then I think he shouldn't be a police officer.
However, while I disagree with the officer's way of dealing with her, I think that mother needs to be taught a thing or two about vague parenting. Firstly - an unruly child that bad is a bad sign on the mother's part. Secondly - an unruly child should not be dealt with by the police. What if it was a teenage boy? Call in a fucking tank? Mortar fire? Thirdly - Good God woman! You just told a police officer that he could feel free to harm your child. Fucking nice. I hope she feels like a good parent now.
Tazers aren't that painful, it's just restraining, I doubt that most people know what a tazer feels like. It's better than mace, with mace your eyes sting for weeks. With a tazer after the shot and a few seconds you can get back up just fine with a lesson learned.
The girl probably had some mental disorder at the time. Why did her mother just not give up the idea of washing her? Give her a cookie or a candy or idk and let her not go to bed a bit longer this evening. Though in the end this kind of behaviour might bring the child to think that rioting is surely the only way of dialogue.
I don't approve the policeman, but I sure hate it when kids go BRLUAOAUAALAARLARLARARLRLA for no apparent reason. They're both dumb, but the policeman just has more responsibility on his shoulders. So what if the mother said you can tase her? SHE'S 10!! Ten is most often (repeat: most often) the age when kids don't care who's standing next to them, if it's some random dude from the street, a policeman or the president, they can kick him in the balls anyway, if the little brat doesn't get what he\she wants.
Oh and btw, I think the girl just wanted to beat the record in the "What's the longest time you've spent without showering" thread.
I don't approve the policeman, but I sure hate it when kids go BRLUAOAUAALAARLARLARARLRLA for no apparent reason. They're both dumb, but the policeman just has more responsibility on his shoulders. So what if the mother said you can tase her? SHE'S 10!! Ten is most often (repeat: most often) the age when kids don't care who's standing next to them, if it's some random dude from the street, a policeman or the president, they can kick him in the balls anyway, if the little brat doesn't get what he\she wants.
Oh and btw, I think the girl just wanted to beat the record in the "What's the longest time you've spent without showering" thread.
The Police are cops not parents, I hate when parents call the cops asking them to do their job. from what I have read the police had reason to do this.
would we rather had them use a billy club??
would we rather had them use a billy club??
Okay really the girl should have just taken the shower And dont get me started on calling the cops for your own daughter in your own home,really start taking things away she learns ,but Tazing her thats nuts
I also like how all of you treat ADHD as some sort of problom that makes every one little shits and they need to be drugged to kingdom come
I Have adhd i take pills but when I was 6-9 I could have started my own drug trafficing gang
i had pills for my pills so any one that thinks people with ADHD need to become drug zombies are shortsighted, some adhd people i know are very bright. what it takes to help with adhd is a good doctor that works with the parrent a good parrent and soem one to tell the kid that they can control it and show them its better if they do like i was.
yea english is not my strongest suit
I also like how all of you treat ADHD as some sort of problom that makes every one little shits and they need to be drugged to kingdom come
I Have adhd i take pills but when I was 6-9 I could have started my own drug trafficing gang
i had pills for my pills so any one that thinks people with ADHD need to become drug zombies are shortsighted, some adhd people i know are very bright. what it takes to help with adhd is a good doctor that works with the parrent a good parrent and soem one to tell the kid that they can control it and show them its better if they do like i was.
yea english is not my strongest suit
You missed a trick by forgetting to mention our hideous teeth and our ugly, pasty women.HG131 said:
I was kicked in the balls by my nephew about two weeks ago. Needless to say, I didn't retaliate with a roundhouse to the face. I let my aunt give him a proper bollocking.
You see, in my land of tea drinking, lime sucking and dentist dodging we tend to believe that adult on child violence is a bad thing. Weird, I know! It's only really acceptable if you're disciplining your own child, and even then more a smack on the arse then attacking them with a weapon.
But, like I said, your country finds casual violence more acceptable then ours.
I have a few friends in the medical field who deal with children on a regular basis, and they frequently tell me how children throwing tantrums can be incredibly difficult to restrain under any circumstance. You're an adult. Sure, you CAN use your superior strength to restrain the child, but as it says in the article linked you could accidently injure the child if you use strength.
Zapping the child proved the favorable measure as it brought the little brat under control and you didn't have to accidently break a rib or an arm in the process.
Zapping the child proved the favorable measure as it brought the little brat under control and you didn't have to accidently break a rib or an arm in the process.
Meh. Yes, it was probably bad parenting, but I say that the girl might've needed it. If her behavior got to be that bad (like kicking the officer in the crotch), then she needed to be reset.
A parent cannot give permission for another person to commit an act of violence against their child. Refusing to take a shower is not a criminal offence and it is not the job of the Police to get involved in domestic matters such as this.knight of some random number said:
I fail to see why the mother wanted her daughter 'taken away' because of her behaviour. If she cannot cope then she should give custody to the father.
The policeman was out of line for trying to 'arrest' her irrespective of the language she used. She should not have struck him but he should not have been there. If he really wanted to proceed with charges which should be brought against the mother then he should have called for social services to take the daughter into custody.
As he decided to take the daughter into custody he is required to only use reasonable force. The user of a taser against an unarmed 10 year old girl is not reasonable force, had she got hold of a gun then perhaps. This police officer should be fired, publicly shamed and prosecuted for assault and battery and assault with a deadly weapon.
An 80 pound chimpanzee being considerably more dangerous than a 100 pound 10 year old kid. The key here isn't size (although, it kind of is... but let's leave that alone for now) but the fact that it's effectively a 10-YEAR-OLD-GIRL. She shouldn't be a threat to a grown person even if she has a knife or lead pipe... Let alone a trained police officer.CaptainCrunch said:
Those were some terrible orderlies... Keep in mind that one thing is struggling in place, making yourself unable to receive an injection without potential self-injury, which means no doctor will do it for your own sake, being unable to simply restrain a 10 year older entirely is a whole different, and much sadder, moment in a sad man's life.CaptainCrunch said:
Also, orderlies don't receive hand to hand combat training... In fact they don't really get much in the way of training to disarm or immobilize someone other than "try not to hurt them" as far as I know.
A lot of things can be said about the overall situation, and how messed up it was to begin with. Under the circumstances however I believe the Taser was reasonable.
Why was it reasonable? Well the answer to that is quite simple. You cannot have a child running around like that and behaving violently. One way or another the kid has to be stopped. Thus one has to evaluate the options, availible for a takedown. Most manuvers intended to "escort to the floor" (to use an old term from reports) on an adult or older teen are going to be very dangerous to a 10 year old, as is the entire issue of an adult applying "pain pressure". There are huge issues in residential facilities (I was in many as a kid) about restraint techniques for minors in situations exactly like that. What's more police aren't trained like various mental health professionals to engage in such restraints.
Under the circumstances the Taser was probably the option with the best chance of doing the least amount of damage while putting the kid down. An untrained cop trying to restrain the kid (especially a girl) is asking for trouble and injuries after the fact, wading in with a PR-24 isn't much of an option... so really what options are there?
It sounds unreasonable until you really stop to think about "what else could be done here?" and honestly I can't think of many options.
Of course the very fact that a kid was so out of control the police had to be called to taser them (with parental approval) it definatly seems like a job for DCF or whatever they call themselves nowadays/in that state (DCF = Division Of Child and Family).
Why was it reasonable? Well the answer to that is quite simple. You cannot have a child running around like that and behaving violently. One way or another the kid has to be stopped. Thus one has to evaluate the options, availible for a takedown. Most manuvers intended to "escort to the floor" (to use an old term from reports) on an adult or older teen are going to be very dangerous to a 10 year old, as is the entire issue of an adult applying "pain pressure". There are huge issues in residential facilities (I was in many as a kid) about restraint techniques for minors in situations exactly like that. What's more police aren't trained like various mental health professionals to engage in such restraints.
Under the circumstances the Taser was probably the option with the best chance of doing the least amount of damage while putting the kid down. An untrained cop trying to restrain the kid (especially a girl) is asking for trouble and injuries after the fact, wading in with a PR-24 isn't much of an option... so really what options are there?
It sounds unreasonable until you really stop to think about "what else could be done here?" and honestly I can't think of many options.
Of course the very fact that a kid was so out of control the police had to be called to taser them (with parental approval) it definatly seems like a job for DCF or whatever they call themselves nowadays/in that state (DCF = Division Of Child and Family).
Tazing perhaps seems like its a bit much but the shock level can be altered.
I think some of us are jumping to conclusions that the mother is a horrible parent. I'm not saying she is or isn't, but I doubt this was the first time the child has gotten out of control. You don't just call the police up when your child is acting out for the first time. This might have been the worse its ever been and the mother didn't know how to handle it.
Again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there were probably a series of events leading up to this. Children also are greatly affected by their peers. Perhaps the child saw some other kids get away with stunts like this and had achieved success herself by doing it. She probably didn't reason it out that doing A = B but when you get 'rewarded' enough times for doing 'action X' then you start doing it more.
Separate from all of that, I take the news I get with a grain of a salt. They rarely see fit to fill in background information or fill in details. They report an instance or event and move on. I am certain there is more to the story than this small snippet.
I think some of us are jumping to conclusions that the mother is a horrible parent. I'm not saying she is or isn't, but I doubt this was the first time the child has gotten out of control. You don't just call the police up when your child is acting out for the first time. This might have been the worse its ever been and the mother didn't know how to handle it.
Again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but there were probably a series of events leading up to this. Children also are greatly affected by their peers. Perhaps the child saw some other kids get away with stunts like this and had achieved success herself by doing it. She probably didn't reason it out that doing A = B but when you get 'rewarded' enough times for doing 'action X' then you start doing it more.
Separate from all of that, I take the news I get with a grain of a salt. They rarely see fit to fill in background information or fill in details. They report an instance or event and move on. I am certain there is more to the story than this small snippet.