Police taser 10 year old.

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Kiutu

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HG131 said:
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Kiutu said:
It could kill her. They are not physically able to really take a shot from a tazer.
Yes, they are. Conspiracy theorists say otherwise, but they are Conspiracy theorists.
How about a decade ago a girl was murdered by a single tazer shot. She was about 10 I believe.
How long was she shocked for? Did she have ANY preexisting conditions? If yes is the answer to #2 than the Taser is not at fault.
I really hope you are just playing Devil's Advocate.
I dont really remember, was a 20/20 story from years ago.
 

Robby Foxfur

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Seriously why is this to much on a 10 yo girl, kids can be murders too, and if she really was so unruly that a full grown cop couldn't quiet her and she ever assaulted him, fuck it the ***** had it coming, if I could smack a child like this just once I would do it in a heart beat.
 

Kiutu

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HG131 said:
Kiutu said:
HG131 said:
Kiutu said:
HG131 said:
Kiutu said:
It could kill her. They are not physically able to really take a shot from a tazer.
Yes, they are. Conspiracy theorists say otherwise, but they are Conspiracy theorists.
How about a decade ago a girl was murdered by a single tazer shot. She was about 10 I believe.
How long was she shocked for? Did she have ANY preexisting conditions? If yes is the answer to #2 than the Taser is not at fault.
I really hope you are just playing Devil's Advocate.
I dont really remember, was a 20/20 story from years ago.
No, I'm not. If she had heart problems or if it was intentionally meant to kill it's not the taser's fault. They say not to tase someone known to have heart problems.
I mean in that you are defending tazing a 10 year old girl. And I would think young children would be in the "shouldnt taze" group.
 

ugeine

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HG131 said:
She was disturbing the peace by throwing a tantrum. It doesn't have to keep a whole block up.
Depends how you define a public space.

Basically, you're disturbing the police if a) You're making an unreasonable amount of noise (that's the 'peace' bit) b) somebody has asked you to stop and you still carry on and then c) that same person needs to ring the police.

As A) wasn't mentioned in the article (it doesn't mention any complaints from neighbours whatsoever) B) clearly didn't happen it's reasonable to state that nobody was disturbing the peace.
 

ugeine

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The cop has now been suspended, not because he used the weapon, but because he forgot to attach a video camera.:D
 

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She would be charged with Assault
She would not and will not because it is not in the public interest. In any case, the officer should not have been there so the case of assault would be weak.


Second, he didn't want to hurt her. You try to restrain a 10 year old thrashing about without causing any pain.
This is a contradiction, if he did not want to hurt her he would have left. Instead he used a lethal weapon on her which causes serious pain, much more than simple restraint would. A taser carries very high voltage that causes your muscles to convulse, the puncture wounds caused by the barbs not only penetrate skin and tissue but also cause serious bruising.

It is not difficult to restrain a child and cause less harm than using a taser.

Third, they are our masters, not our servants.
It quite clearly states that their job is to serve and protect. you obviously don't understand what policing by consent means. Basically we the public agreed to set up a police force to work for the community not the government, it's a constitutional matter that covers oppression.

They uphold the law, which is what he did.
The police attempt to uphold the law. This officer did not do that. The law does not cover helping parents control unruly children. When the situation was explained he should have told the mother that a domestic issue of an unruly child was not in his jurisdiction to control unless the child posed a serious danger to herself or those around her.

The police have no right to enforce the will of a parent against a child for something as arbitrary as going to bed.

The police have no right to use physical violence against a child just because a parent 'gave permission'.

The police do not have the right to use unreasonable force to detain a suspect.

Finally, a Taser isn't a deadly weapon on its own.
Yes it is and has resulted in many deaths even to healthy people.
 

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Kiutu said:
It could kill her. They are not physically able to really take a shot from a tazer.
She didn't take a shot from a taser.

There are two shock delivery methods, and rather then shooting her - where the barbs embed themselves into the skin of the shock recipient, he used it like as stun gun, activating it, then pressing it against her momentarily to zap her. It says that in the article that it seems 90% of the responders didn't read.

What the article fails to mention is how violent the child may have gotten. The mother could have been in fear. What is to say she was not throwing things at the mother. Or the officer for that matter. The article says nothing other then violent, and a kick to the groin. While it does not say anything else was happening it does not say it didn't. Who is to know. I find that the more liberal rags in UK often make the US look poor, violent, and evil as a matter of course. Funny that the more conservative rags in the UK often do the exact opposite.

I side with this being reasonable.

I find it sad that there seems to only be a handful of people that have thought reasonably about this, and even more so that I come to expect it already from those that have.
 

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If the kid was half as bad as the artical explains, then taser away, I say. It's non lethal, so what's all the hubbub. Not like he kept tasering her. If the officer was concerned that using regular force would have resulted in injury, a taser was a fine move.
 

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JaredXE said:
beddo said:
The police are there by consent of the people. They are no our masters, they are our servants. They have a duty to serve and protect, not assault and oppress.

I hope this police officer is fired and prosecuted for assault with a deadly weapon.

Funnily enough, he WAS serving the people by do the task requested of him by the mother.

And a taser is as much a deadly weapon as wiffle-ball bat to the head. Sure you COULD kill someone, but it'd take some effort on your part and A LOT of bad luck on theirs. Tasers are used due to their NONLETHAL status, you know, so officers don't have to beat you with a nightstick or pistol-whip you into submission.
Serving the people does not mean serving a person, it means the community. He also has a duty of care towards the child and he failed in that.

The police should not be attacking anyone unless they are a danger to themselves or others. All situations can and should be handled without violence.

Tasers have resulted in the deaths of over 350 people in the US. They are by definition, LETHAL.
 

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I'd say that any adult police officer unable to restrain a 10 year old girl should consider another career choice.
took the words right out of my mouth.
 

Kiutu

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HG131 said:
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No, I'm not. If she had heart problems or if it was intentionally meant to kill it's not the taser's fault. They say not to tase someone known to have heart problems.
I mean in that you are defending tazing a 10 year old girl. And I would think young children would be in the "shouldnt taze" group.
She's not a young child. over half of her childhood is over. She is a pre-teen. Only people with illnesses that could cause death when tased should be in that group. Well, them and babies.[/quote]So they should risk havign all her life be over too? Have you seen a large full grown musclar man be tazed? Have you seen their reactions? Anything that does that to such a person I would NEVER think should be done to a child.
 

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I'm student teaching 10-11 year olds. Two of these kids... well I wish someone would taser them when they start 'THROWING SCISSORS ACROSS THE ROOM AT PEOPLE' just because someone is small doesn't mean they can't do lasting damage.
And for all we know she was 5 feet tall and the cop was 5'2"