Political Correctness gone mad?

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Harley Q

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Spacewolf said:
i would be careful who your sources are for this sort of thing same with the "safety nazis" etc ussually its just made up to sell papers in fact i belive they did an QI episode on it.
My sources for this information about the banned/altered nursery rhymes came from several nursery and primary school teachers. Like I said, I'm writing a panto and I wanted to know what Nursery Rhymes children would be most familiar with.
 

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Harley Q said:
To cut a long story short I am currently writing a pantomime, which for those of you who don't know, is a comical play aimed at children and usually performed at Christmas. Think along the lines of Shrek and The Muppet Show. Anyway, my panto is based on Nursery Rhymes, while I was researching I found out that some Nursery Rhymes have either been altered or are banned within educational institutions.

For example, you can no longer say the Nursery Rhyme, Three Blind Mice, and Baa Baa Black Sheep has changed to Baa Baa Fluffy Sheep or Baa baa Woolly Sheep. Jack no longer fell down the hill and broke his crown, but rather, bumped his head. Why? What terrible effect has been scientifically supported that over the last few centuries Nursery Rhymes have ruined children and turned them all into social deviants?

What's next? Is Snow White going to be banned because the wicked queen dies in the end, will Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall and get up going, "That was lucky" or will little Red Riding Hood have tea and scones with the wolf and granny?

With political correctness becoming tighter and tighter, what's next?
There aren't enough black/hispanic protagonists. But there is too much political correctness. Both the people who complain about the lack of minority heroes are right, and the people who complain about too much political correctness are right.

Too few non-white heroes, too many idiotic attempts to promote equality through stupid things. Sigh.
 

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Serenegoose said:
Political correctness gone mad? Did the forums turn into the Daily Mail when I wasn't looking? Are we still using that tired old phrase?
Also, haven't many of the former non-PC views flaunted in rags like the Mail become PC in themselves?
Eg: Being "though" on immigrations is the political norm now, ergo it's become PC.
If the Mail wanted to be non-PC, they either have to be soft on immigration, or go all the way and rally for straight out pogroms against immigrants.


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There's loads of these things, Pippi Longstocking's dad is no longer a "negro-king", but the king of a Pacific Island, ppl try to ban anti-slavery books like "Uncle Tom's Cabin" and "Huck Finn" cuz they use "racist" language.
But it has been going on for ages. Bowdlerization aint new (Bowdler himself rewrote Shakespeare plays back in early the 1800s to be more "fitting" for women and children). The Grimm brothers (and Asbjørnsen and Moe here in Norway) severely rewrote common fairytales, editing out the killing and fucking.
It ain't "gone mad", it's business as usual.
 

Infernai

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We have only one hope left in the fight against political correctness...

 

Kenko

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Political correctness is retarded. It only causes grief and misunderstandings and spread nothing but prejudice and hate.
 

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I find PC to be a useless, degenerative thing.

If anything, it's a strict set of guidelines of things that aren't acceptable, thus, if anything, they're just drawing attention to the fact that such things exist, and also reinforcing on the negative aspects those things means.

Words are words. They only have power if you give them power. Some are just more aggressive sounding than others.

In other words: Fuck PC in the retard-ass.
 

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Harley Q said:
What's next? Is Snow White going to be banned because the wicked queen dies in the end, will Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall and get up going, "That was lucky" or will little Red Riding Hood have tea and scones with the wolf and granny?

With political correctness becoming tighter and tighter, what's next?
Yes it is and Political Correctness is also something that is making my blood boil more and more these days. My cousin is a teacher and told me that she'd been told not to refer to the blackboard (I believe it's called a "chalkboard" in the USA) and whiteboard as such because it could be considered racist. P-fucking-C is also responsible for the concept of "nobody fails and nobody loses" in that if you fail an exam, you can try again and again until you pass and negative remarks on children's works are "discouraged". Niether of which are any kind of preparation for real life but the wooly minded liberals who dream up this shite don't care.

Woodsey said:
The majority of people I see using that phrase are usually extremely racist, homophobic and/or xenophobic
Sorry mate but that's just not true. PC is spreading it's poison everywhere and it's not always as blatant as people think. What it mostly is, is a bunch of gutless, left-wing wankers who don't have any balls and thus wont take on any real problems so they find "problems" where there aren't any so they can convince themselves they are making the world a better place. Making sure no-one says "poof" usually...

Along with it's best friend, Health and Safety, Political Correctness is one of the most restrictive and annoying at best and, at worst, full-on censorship of free speech.

Now don't get me wrong, bigotry is something that has no place in decent society and true racism / homophobia / xenophobia need stamping out. No arguments here.

The problem is what I said above. A lot of the time, PC and H+S miss the big problem and wind up picking at the little, insignificant stuff that hurts no-one. Not being able to refer to the plague as "The Black Death" (because it was spread by parasites that lived on Black Rats) anymore or not being allowed to properly celebrate St. George's day properly are but two examples of what I am on about. Seriously - until they were kicked out, the Labour government and all it's council cronies would say that flying OUR NATIONAL FLAG was "racist", "opressive" and "exclusive". Yes they thought that it would upset the asian family down the road and the real irony is that a great deal of immigrants / ethnics couldn't care less or wanted to fly it themselves. The irony only got ever more bitter because, in peddling this crap, Labour were the ones fanning the flames of anti-foreign sentiment and playing right into the hands of that venomous fuckwit, Nick Griffin.

While I am all against derogatory terms for minorities and ethnics, why is it the PC mob never stepped in to help when I was called a "fucking honky" by a black guy? Personally I couldn't give a toss about that and ignored him but had I turned round and called him a cocksucker I would have been pounced on for racism and possibly even homophobia.

It's not bigotry to ask for fairness and that PC at least swings both ways. I live in a country where you can't wear a crucifix (because "it may cause offence") to work but turbans are fine. Nick Griffon is a knuckle dragging white-supremacist whilst Abu Hamza and other such radical clerics are allowed to shout about how the West should be purged with fire, women should be chained to the sink and gays should be stoned to death. Thanks to Political Correctness and the utterly retarded Human Rights policy it spawned, we can't extradite Hamza, Choudray and co. and most of them are on welfare benefits. That's right - the very people who these scumbags are calling to be beheaded are paying for their existence with their hard-earned tax money (although I would like to point out there are many native Brits sponging off us too - bastards!) but to call for their extradition is akin to shitting on the Pope's front lawn and yet it is perfectly fine to call for Nick Griffon and his cronies to be shot. Given the choice, me and many others, regardless of race, colour or creed, would like to be rid of shits like the Hamza and Choudray just as much as they'd also like to be shot of Nick Griffon and all his BNP cronies because they're all just as big a problem as the other.

Here's another example - I don't hate women and the equal-rights movement was great but why is it now cosidered OK to have women-only gyms and women-only car-insurance companies? Sure there is nothing wrong with either but just try making a men-only gym and see how far you get before the PC mob whack you with a big stick.

Political Correctness started out with good intentions but now it's just a joke. I can only speak for England but it's got to the point where it's causing way more racism, homophobia and xenophobia than it could ever hope to solve, simply because it's advocates don't have a clue how to handle it.

Wardy
 

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DeadlyYellow said:
Jack and Jill was about the beheading of a French king, and Three Blind Mice of a conspiracy against Bloody Mary.

I wouldn't touch on Grimm's fairy tales, as the version you likely know are not the original.
And Mary Mary Quite Contrary is about Bloody Mary's torture instruments, they haven't banned that.
 

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Harley Q said:
Will Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall and get up going, "That was lucky"?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221355/BBC-takes-big-fall-changes-words-Humpty-Dumpty-rhyme.html

To be blunt, PC these days is completely ridiculous and it's best to just ignore it.
 

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Worgen said:
really if you look into "childrens" fairy tails then you will see they have already been corrected a whole lot just to work for children, well to work for the adults around children since the vast majority of them are horrible, not bad horrible but, well take Hansel and Gretel.

The story is about 2 kids that are dumped in the forest since their parents couldnt feed them anymore, this wasnt an uncommon occurrence back then since just abandoning the children was less cruel then killing them since you could always wonder how they were and assume they had been taken in by a royal family or something.
well long story short, people suck and really anything calling itself a fairy tail nowadays has probably already been disney washed so much its only vaugly recognizable from its original form
You should read Jack The Giant Killer, it's like a fairy tale version of God of War. It even has a moment in it where Jack tricks a giant into disembowling himself.

Don't even get me started on The Invisible Prince.
 

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El Poncho said:
DeadlyYellow said:
Jack and Jill was about the beheading of a French king, and Three Blind Mice of a conspiracy against Bloody Mary.

I wouldn't touch on Grimm's fairy tales, as the version you likely know are not the original.
And Mary Mary Quite Contrary is about Bloody Mary's torture instruments, they haven't banned that.
And Ring a Ring o' Roses is a euphemism for the Black Death, or so I think anyway.

Some of those rhymes are very violent in reality.
 

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Serenegoose said:
Political correctness gone mad? Did the forums turn into the Daily Mail when I wasn't looking? Are we still using that tired old phrase?
Apparently people buy into this sort of thing a lot more than we might think.
 

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Woodsey said:
The majority of people I see using that phrase are usually extremely racist, homophobic and/or xenophobic - not that you are.

I never even notice so called political correctness to tell you the truth. It just seems to be something for people to whine about.
I will just say it isn't politicly correct to say brain storm you have to say mind map so i have notice political correctness and mostly it is just stupid.
 

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Political correctness is a method employed by others who wish to take away the reality from certain aspects of everyday life and make them seem almost non-existent. Not catering to this biased belief surely means you are "anti" something. Basically it's an argumentative technique used from time to time to gain superiority of a situation regardless of the truth.

Such as:

The Guns, Germs, and Steel argument.
The fact that you can't talk about certain demographics, races, societies, good and evil, right and wrong, strip away all sociological elements within the arguments, and just SPEAK on how their cultures have had a negative impact on them.
You have to be overly merciful when it comes down to it, which in the end makes said individual feel "indebted" to the very demands and terms he is getting without having to work for them.
THe hypocrisy in demanding for everything to be "equal" when it comes with this self-righteous desire to take away the majority of citizens personal wishes against the contrary.

And so on. It's evil, it has never been of any use to the human race, and in the end will only cause ignorance to be crowned in a manner of speaking.
 

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nuba km said:
Woodsey said:
The majority of people I see using that phrase are usually extremely racist, homophobic and/or xenophobic - not that you are.

I never even notice so called political correctness to tell you the truth. It just seems to be something for people to whine about.
I will just say it isn't politicly correct to say brain storm you have to say mind map so i have notice political correctness and mostly it is just stupid.
Who told you that? xD
 

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tigermilk said:
My thoughts on political correctness, put far better than I ever could. A couple of Stewart Lee clips. Really worth listening to at least the first one in full.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IYx4Bc6_eE (2 minute youtube clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGAOCVwLrXo&feature=related (9 minute clip that is less snappy for want of a better word).

I could be wrong but I am guessing me being in favour of political correctness on the whole is a good thing, but as I say the clips put it better than I ever could.
Ninja'd. PC gone mad is ussually something to be shouted by angry Daily Mail readers and therefore twats. PC hasn't gone mad you always hear these these kind of storys but the honest truth is that most of the time they're bollocks, and completely made up by rightwing collumists so they can meet their daily hate quota for the paper and get busy working on that rage induced coronary they're heading to.
 

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Wardnath said:
El Poncho said:
DeadlyYellow said:
Jack and Jill was about the beheading of a French king, and Three Blind Mice of a conspiracy against Bloody Mary.

I wouldn't touch on Grimm's fairy tales, as the version you likely know are not the original.
And Mary Mary Quite Contrary is about Bloody Mary's torture instruments, they haven't banned that.
And Ring a Ring o' Roses is a euphemism for the Black Death, or so I think anyway.

Some of those rhymes are very violent in reality.

Yes, it is.

Ring around the Rosy

One of the first visible signs of infection were red rings surrounding a rosy bump, all over the victim's body.

Pocket full of Posy

A common belief of the time was that the plague was borne on "foul air." The rationale was that people could protect themselves from the bad air by keeping their local air smelling sweet. That, and it also helped them deal with the smell of death...

On the other hand, another sign of infection was the foul stench that would begin to emanate from the victim's body as their lymph system began filling with blood. Those still mobile endeavored to mask their stench and avoid detection by carrying flowers on their person.

Ashes, Ashes,

In the terminal phases of the disease, victims would be hemorrhaging internally, sometimes triggering sneezing as it irritated the breathing passages. "Ashes" is a child's approximation of a paroxysm of sneezing. In this weakened state, a victim could, and often did, sneeze their lungs out. Messy...

We all Fall Down

By now, this one should need little explanation...
 

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You know you all say that PC has forced people to change the words to all of these nusery rhymes and someone here said something about toliet paper but be honest has any of this really been put into effect? No of curse not, children still sign nusery ryhmes baa baa black sheep becuase who's going to stop them it's not illegal. Toilet paper is still fucking toilet paper, either it makes no difference becuase people wont pay any attention to it or it's probably not even true in the first place. People believing PC is supressing our freedoms and we should all be able to say what ever we want, well what if I wanted to call someone a ******? Or a *****? Is that PC gone mad?