Poll: 40mm: N00B T00B or Pro Pipe?
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basically this
I can't help but think Daipire is the kind of person who sits back with the intervention and freaking out when he dies, not to personally attack you sir.
Ill admit that the models were stupid powerful for a while, but complaining about the AA or tac knives seems a little ridiculous.
AA-its a shotgun, a fully auto shotgun, but it has about the same range ingame as a booger flying out of someones nose, except its lethal this time.
Tac knives- its a knife, once again very short range, it requires a shift in the way you play the game to counter effectively, but still can be countered without too much extra effort[/quote]
Actually it's a WA2000.
If you put a tact knife on a a running class, throwing on ninja pro. It's incredibly hard to counter, you would need a uav and to run after him, or camp and hope he passes you.
Where as my sniping is easy as poop to counter, toss a grenade, run close up to me, flank me, or even counter snipe.
And i know weapons excel in certain areas, but alot of weapons excel in all areas. put Stopping power on an acr, you get an amazing ranged weapon, which can also kick ass close up.
The tube, also has this jack-of-all-trades trait.
Oh and if you shoot a tube, does it pop up on the enemy's radar?
basically this
I can't help but think Daipire is the kind of person who sits back with the intervention and freaking out when he dies, not to personally attack you sir.
Ill admit that the models were stupid powerful for a while, but complaining about the AA or tac knives seems a little ridiculous.
AA-its a shotgun, a fully auto shotgun, but it has about the same range ingame as a booger flying out of someones nose, except its lethal this time.
Tac knives- its a knife, once again very short range, it requires a shift in the way you play the game to counter effectively, but still can be countered without too much extra effort[/quote]
Actually it's a WA2000.
If you put a tact knife on a a running class, throwing on ninja pro. It's incredibly hard to counter, you would need a uav and to run after him, or camp and hope he passes you.
Where as my sniping is easy as poop to counter, toss a grenade, run close up to me, flank me, or even counter snipe.
And i know weapons excel in certain areas, but alot of weapons excel in all areas. put Stopping power on an acr, you get an amazing ranged weapon, which can also kick ass close up.
The tube, also has this jack-of-all-trades trait.
Oh and if you shoot a tube, does it pop up on the enemy's radar?
The 40mm under-slung grenade launcher (or even a stand-alone launcher) is devastating in the real world, so why should it be any different in a game? It's a grenade for God's sake! What do you want from it? It's meant to kill quickly, efficiently, and with a relative amount of accuracy. They are a part of the arsenals' of almost every country on earth. Just because you think they, "Imbalance," the game doesn't neccessarily make that a true statement, and there is usually a good reason for having them in FPS games (even if only contextual). Grenade launchers have their place in the modern FPS and milsim games, and they fill their roles well. Good players counter them with tactics of their own rather than simply complain about them.Foggy_Fishburne said:
Stay away from milsims if you hate death by 40mm grenades. It doesn't sound like you would enjoy a game where a simple bullet is a one hit kill no matter what gun it came from. 40mm grenades would be the least of your worries.
Let me guess, you're one of those types who thinks anything people easily kill you with is "cheap", and you refuse to use those weapons because you've got a sense of "honor"? Am I right?Daipire said:
Balance has absolutely nothing to do with being noob or pro, except that you have to know about the (lack of) balance if you want to be pro. Apart from that, stop whining and learn to play the game.
yeah it definitely depends on the game haha (kill people, or kill their cover?)
and how you use it (primary, or as a secondary tool?)
oh and we'll have to see how the grenade launcher is in Halo Reach, tho knowing Bungie they'd balance stuff after the Beta
and how you use it (primary, or as a secondary tool?)
oh and we'll have to see how the grenade launcher is in Halo Reach, tho knowing Bungie they'd balance stuff after the Beta
Yeah, it really depends. When people run around with it in tube mode, looking for easy short range kills, then it's noobish. When people actually use the gun and then switch to tube mode to clear a room or such, then it's ok.
Yes Noob tubes are a noob weapon they require little to no aiming and little to no effort to use. Getting kills from them is easier than shooting fish in a barrel given that onesi n CoD have such a large kill radius. You don't even need to get it that near them. I will accept however, that they can be used in a non noobish way if used spraingly to get hard to reach kills but they are in no way and never will be pro.
I have to disagree with this completely. Taking Gw as my example nearly all of the top guilds used Balanced Team GvG build or some variation of it. All the lower ranked ones use gimped out of balance builds for some easy BP so yes being pro is knowing how to use the best weapons and not about abusing lack of balance. Abusing lack of balance is for noobs.Hurr Durr Derp said:
I see no problem with in Bad Company 2, as without it the Assault Class would be underpowered.
It drives me nuts in COD though, when people use the OMA exploit.
It drives me nuts in COD though, when people use the OMA exploit.
Pro pipe by far. Really its something everyone has access to and its not OP if you use blast shield or common sense.
It really depends on the player.
The guys I hate are the ones that as soon as they spawn, they whack on their grenade launcher and shoot solely use that - as if the gun is the attachment and the grenade launcher is the primary weapon.
The guys I hate are the ones that as soon as they spawn, they whack on their grenade launcher and shoot solely use that - as if the gun is the attachment and the grenade launcher is the primary weapon.
Explain to me the difference between using the best weapons and making use of a lack of balance.Glademaster said:
If you're using a underslung attachment all the time, then your a noob, as your either avoiding using a more suitiable weapon becasue you lack the skill OR you've picked a main weapon thats unsuited to the task in hand, and should have gone for the dediacted varient.
The underslung is alot mroe common these days. I'm fairly sure a standard 8 Man Section in a British Army battalion opperating in the light role (british army has 3 basic infantry types, light role who are straight infantry, mechanised who use APCs and armoured who use AFVs) contains;
2 armed with normal SA80s (usually the Section commander and his 2i/c)
2 armed with SA80s fitted with underslung grenade launchers
2 armed with LSWs (SA80 with a rear psitol grip, longer reinforced barrel, and bipod)
2 armed the minime LMGs
When a quarter of the main figting strength of a unit is armed with them I thibnk you'll agree their fairly common things.
My favourite noob accusation however is people complaing about machine gun spam. Or in other words complaining about you using a machine gun in it's designated role.
When delaing with infantry a machine gun is genrally assigned one of the following Tasks;
1. Suppression
2. Cut-off (either of retreat or reinforcement)
3. Deception (by one of the above tasks to imply a different approach/target for your assult)
1 and 2 are both tasks generally best fufilled by artillary (though not if close to an assult) or beaten zone weapons, which is what a machine gun is, as most are weapons desinged to spread their rounds over an area. The bren in ww2 i beleive was critised for being to accurate for this task.
In other words a machine gun is ment to be spammed at somewhere, and it doesnt even matter if theirs anyone there!
The underslung is alot mroe common these days. I'm fairly sure a standard 8 Man Section in a British Army battalion opperating in the light role (british army has 3 basic infantry types, light role who are straight infantry, mechanised who use APCs and armoured who use AFVs) contains;
2 armed with normal SA80s (usually the Section commander and his 2i/c)
2 armed with SA80s fitted with underslung grenade launchers
2 armed with LSWs (SA80 with a rear psitol grip, longer reinforced barrel, and bipod)
2 armed the minime LMGs
When a quarter of the main figting strength of a unit is armed with them I thibnk you'll agree their fairly common things.
My favourite noob accusation however is people complaing about machine gun spam. Or in other words complaining about you using a machine gun in it's designated role.
When delaing with infantry a machine gun is genrally assigned one of the following Tasks;
1. Suppression
2. Cut-off (either of retreat or reinforcement)
3. Deception (by one of the above tasks to imply a different approach/target for your assult)
1 and 2 are both tasks generally best fufilled by artillary (though not if close to an assult) or beaten zone weapons, which is what a machine gun is, as most are weapons desinged to spread their rounds over an area. The bren in ww2 i beleive was critised for being to accurate for this task.
In other words a machine gun is ment to be spammed at somewhere, and it doesnt even matter if theirs anyone there!