GWarface said:
Tell me about the center supporting metal beams that had a clean angled cut, exactly as used in controled demolitions?
And what about the pools of molten metal found in the rubbles even weeks after?
Thats a sign of Thermite, thats know for its abillity to melt metal as a hot knife through butter..
Even chemical testings done at Ground Zero shows traces of Thermite and even Thermate, thats a patented version of Thermite...
And dont even get me started on the "pancake effect", that would only leave the center supporting beams still standing, while the floors would fall down alone, at a much slower speed i might add... The supporting beams was designed to take an impact like that...
Oh and the sub basement explotions, moments before the planes hit? Explain that...
I urge you and everyone else to see the movie Zeitgeist, it has more evidence than you would ever need to change your mind...
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Zeitgeist is old news and the 'evidence' they present, which is the same as many related movies like Loose Change, has been debunked [http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/part-two/] a long [http://www.debunking911.com/] long [http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm] time ago [http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html] by oh so many people.
It's always funny to see how conspiracy theorists in general act as if they're experts on any given field, like in this case on things like structural engineering, and it's funny how they barely, if ever, go with scientific proof and statements from experts on the field. Hell, it's not even evidence, all the 'evidence' boils down to is "Isn't this weird huh??" Like those straight-angle cuts, nothing except a photo is given with which you add "well ain't that odd?" Ever thought that, gee, that photo could've been taken
after the attack when they were already starting to clean the place up? Because you know, a split second after the attack it might've been a
bit more dust clouded and the area a
bit more lethal to take such a well-focused and clear picture.
I noticed the same thing with the "moonlanding is a hoax" group, that was pretty entertaining. Random people who spend some time on the internet suddenly knew aaaall about photography and rocket science. Uhuh...
Funniest thing about the whole situation is that for conspiracy theorists it's apparently logical that:
1: The United States government managed to set something like this up, a
humongous operation featuring thousands of people that have to be involved, huge amounts of material moved, swats of money, bribes, etc etc.
2: That this 'secret' is apparently so well-hidden that it's being unveiled by random people who watched some footage, know fuck-all about structural engineering and related topics, and have access to the internet.
3: And while the US government apparently has no problem killing about 3.000 and tens of thousands of people in the conflicts thereafter to further their own dastardly goals, the makers of movies like Zeitgeist and Loose Change that unravel all their dirty secrets are still walking about.
So at the same time the US is super powerful that they pull off stunts like that, but at the same time they're incompetent on a Loony Toons-like level to be uncovered so incredibly easily. And all that apparently makes
more sense than the idea that the US fucked up so bad with it's foreign policy that some people got
really pissed, hijack some planes, bypass the grossly ineffective warning system and dive-bomb 2 buildings. Actual conspiracies, like the Watergate scandal, were always small-time operations to minimize the risk of getting caught, yet even Watergate got split open rather quickly.
And even
if you want to go for a conspiracy, why the hell would they go for something
that intricate and ridiculously complicated when they could've just hired some suicide squads. Instead we get this diabolical plan shoved under our noses. Is it really that hard to imagine that some people really want to hurt the US and it's citizens?
More related to the question asked by the OP:
Yes I find it very much possible that the US is holding back embarrassing information, information that could show even worse mistakes or cases of gross negligence that let this tragic event happen that could further damages their credibility. Did they actually do it? No actual evidence points that way.
