Poll: Abortion : Should men get a say?

[Soulfein]

If the dude wants an abortion and the lady don't, then let the lady do her thing, but the dude doesn't have to pay child support. Everyone wins.

 

[veloper]

No, because only the woman has to go through pregnancy.

But she doesn't have to spread her legs in the first place. If she's forced, it's called rape, which is a crime in most states.

It isn't.
However, I believe should not be the man's problem either:
While women should determine what happens in their own bellies, men should have the right to renounce any bastard during a short period after they find out about the pregnancy and not pay any child support.

Maybe you should say that next time instead of just posting the kind of rhetoric feminists like ._.;

It doesn't take feminism to realize that a guy pressuring a woman to have an abortion is disgusting.
Renouncement right from the start would be a much less unpleasant alternative.

 

[rubyblue]

The ultimate decision should be the woman's.

BECAUSE WOMEN NEVER DO ANYTHING BAD AMIRITE?

No, because only the woman has to go through pregnancy.

Since abortion is a boolean, that also implies men should get no say in the matter.

Sorry, but that line of thinking stopped being fair when women were no longer expected to stay barefoot and pregnant.

A woman has the right to say "no" when a man wants to have sex. The man has the right to say "no" when a woman wants to have children with him.

If a man uses a condom and the woman--for whatever reason--ends up pregnant, how is that his fault?

It isn't.
However, I believe should not be the man's problem either:
While women should determine what happens in their own bellies, men should have the right to renounce any bastard during a short period after they find out about the pregnancy and not pay any child support.

When a woman gets pregnant, she has to live with the consequences of it for the rest of her life. Why should the man be able to say, "um, no thanks!" and not have any responsibility for his child?

 

[Pandalisk]

They are the ideal relationships, If a womans made up her mind then shes generally made up her mind, regardless of if she loves you alot or not, Religion or personal ethics will be a person in "most" cases be the persons "foundation" if you will.

Your relationship must be very good indeed to have words that hold sway over a persons ethics and morals.

i find the words that i have once heard show this, "You Cant Change Me"

our Morals and ethics help make us, if say like abortion and you oppose it, people will find it hard to listen to anything but their person Ethics on the matter, if a womans ethics conflicts with yours then you will have a hard time changing their mind on the matter.

This isnt limited to Women ethier, imagine a woman wants you to get a vasectomy, i would Fight tooth and nail for my "partners in crime", and any man who cringes at the thought of vasectomy will understand what i mean when i say that with things like these, you might as well be talking to a brick wall

So you're saying all women are the same?

Well, that's nice. I'm just going to assume it's because you've never encountered a rational woman, but either way, you might as well just turn gay at this point.

Take it from me, men are much easier to get along with.

No dammit, People have ethics, and in general its either A/ you dont mind abortion or B/ you do, not once did i say women were the same. i said that if a woman has chosen her ethics or has her ethics instilled in her (which is common) then they will fight tooth and nail for just LIKE any OTHER person, but thanks for throwing accusations around like that though.

Rationality and humanity? No not everyone is the same, but that doesnt mean everyone has an open mindset, its what they see as an open mindset, even though from outside of their perception its just unrational or intelorant.

and yes i have encountered many rational women, our ethics and morals have a way of overriding our rationality though, it is being human

I never said it had anything to do with losing your balls, but thanks for the science lesson

and generally i find women to be more easier to get along with, the majority of my friends are women.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

No, because only the woman has to go through pregnancy.

But she doesn't have to spread her legs in the first place. If she's forced, it's called rape, which is a crime in most states.

It isn't.
However, I believe should not be the man's problem either:
While women should determine what happens in their own bellies, men should have the right to renounce any bastard during a short period after they find out about the pregnancy and not pay any child support.

Maybe you should say that next time instead of just posting the kind of rhetoric feminists like ._.;

You, sir, have clearly no idea what a feminist is.

 

[veloper]

The ultimate decision should be the woman's.

BECAUSE WOMEN NEVER DO ANYTHING BAD AMIRITE?

No, because only the woman has to go through pregnancy.

Since abortion is a boolean, that also implies men should get no say in the matter.

Sorry, but that line of thinking stopped being fair when women were no longer expected to stay barefoot and pregnant.

A woman has the right to say "no" when a man wants to have sex. The man has the right to say "no" when a woman wants to have children with him.

If a man uses a condom and the woman--for whatever reason--ends up pregnant, how is that his fault?

It isn't.
However, I believe should not be the man's problem either:
While women should determine what happens in their own bellies, men should have the right to renounce any bastard during a short period after they find out about the pregnancy and not pay any child support.

When a woman gets pregnant, she has to live with the consequences of it for the rest of her life. Why should the man be able to say, "um, no thanks!" and not have any responsibility for his child?

Because beside the boring option (not having sex out of marriage), a woman* has full control over 3 main alternatives that the man doesn't:

1. the pill
2. the morning after pill
3. abortion

*) in the western world and excluding bizarre cases.

 

[rubyblue]

The ultimate decision should be the woman's.

BECAUSE WOMEN NEVER DO ANYTHING BAD AMIRITE?

No, because only the woman has to go through pregnancy.

Since abortion is a boolean, that also implies men should get no say in the matter.

Sorry, but that line of thinking stopped being fair when women were no longer expected to stay barefoot and pregnant.

A woman has the right to say "no" when a man wants to have sex. The man has the right to say "no" when a woman wants to have children with him.

If a man uses a condom and the woman--for whatever reason--ends up pregnant, how is that his fault?

It isn't.
However, I believe should not be the man's problem either:
While women should determine what happens in their own bellies, men should have the right to renounce any bastard during a short period after they find out about the pregnancy and not pay any child support.

When a woman gets pregnant, she has to live with the consequences of it for the rest of her life. Why should the man be able to say, "um, no thanks!" and not have any responsibility for his child?

Because beside the boring option (not having sex out of marriage), a woman* has full control over 3 main alternatives that the man doesn't:

1. the pill
2. the morning after pill
3. abortion

*) in the western world and excluding bizarre cases.

If a man isn't prepared to do right by the woman he's sleeping with should she get pregnant, then he shouldn't be having sex. If he doesn't have the emotional maturity to accept the consequences of his actions, then he's not ready. When a woman gets pregnant, she can't just say "backsies" and make the whole thing go away. Even if she does abort the pregnancy, statistics and studies show that her choice will haunt her for the rest of her life. When a girl aborts a baby, it's not like the pregnancy never happened. Girls don't have the option to make it so it's like the pregnancy never happened. Guys shouldn't have that option either.

 

[rubyblue]

You, sir, have clearly no idea what a feminist is.

Most commonly, a feminist is also a woman who believes herself and her fellow women to be superior to all men. That may not be the technical definition, but "misandronist" isn't syntactically correct, "misanthrope" refers to a person who hates all people, and the two usually end up going hand-in hand.

Now, I'll grant you that the pro-sex/sex-positive feminists are actually sane, since most of them do not hate men, look at heterosex as simply another form of rape, or go on moral crusades against anything men like that happens to make them a bit uncomfortable--but they're also not known by that name very often, instead being referred to simply as "women" in most cases.

Way to prove Fondant's point.

 

[Surreysmith]

In a perfect world men should have a say, but you can't say to the woman you must have this child because you want to keep it. And the other way doesn't work either you can't tell the woman she must abort it.
my personal opinion is that if the man wants her to abort but she wants to keep it the man has no say in the mater however he should be able to choose how much involement he has with the child and whether or not he should pay benifts or not.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

When a woman gets pregnant, she has to live with the consequences of it for the rest of her life. Why should the man be able to say, "um, no thanks!" and not have any responsibility for his child?

Physically, because that's how genetics made us. Evolution made women to bare children. Emotionally, there's nothing stopping a woman from doing the same thing. In fact, there IS nothing stopping a woman from doing the same thing. We have state child services for a reason. Women can do it too. It's not something that I'd condone if the child was mine, but personal feelings aside, it happens.

It happens on Both sides. Before any one of us condemns the other gender for their practices and/or beliefs, we should take a good look at what our brothers or sisters do, the good and the bad. Let's not report on the negative or positive bias we hold, but the truth that it's a case by case basis and people fluctuate.

You cannot expect a woman to have an abortion simply because her stance is opposite to the mans. Ultimately, it's her choice. Life's not meant to be fair, deal with it.

But this really swings both ways. Life is not fair, but then we ask for fairness? A guy can pick up and walk off. That seems to follow the cutthroat mentality that since life isn't fair you have to deal with what you're given. But if you look at someone and expect them to do right by you, then you just have to also consider what's right for them... or before your hormones write a check your body can't cash (bad pun, but fitting), you really know who you're getting into bed with (another good bad pun).

And to Emilin_Rose making a needlessly swipe against America... seriously, what the hell? That doesn't even have a place in this discussion. If you want to put it into this discussion, we can talk about how America has some of the strictest rules when it comes to Abortions and that we go to other countries to duck under said rules.

There's no need to insult an entire nation based on someone not agreeing with your views, and likening them to be a dick... or essentially American.

 

[lizards]

to be honest i would feel bad but if she would refuse to have an abortion well her loss im not helping her its her own stupid fault

but overall if they are using a condom and it breaks abortion hell if they werent it doesnt matter is their choice and the female is the one who decides so if she decides to keep it then dont the guys problem or fault they both had equal say in it so one shouldnt be stuck with it just because the other is to stuborn

 

[rubyblue]

And if a woman isn't prepared to have an abortion should she the man she's sleeping with get her pregnant, she shouldn't be having sex. That's an equally valid point.

I disagree. I think that a woman who isn't prepared to deal with a pregnancy shouldn't be having sex, but I don't think the she has to be prepared to have an abortion. Honestly, I think that a woman whose contingency plan for an unexpected pregnancy is to get an abortion shouldn't be having sex.

Don't you realize that sex itself doesn't require any emotional maturity or sense of responsibility?

...no, I imagine you don't. You're probably one of those girls I mentioned before, no? Morally against abortion, but not so moral about premarital sex--sound about right?

No, sorry, that doesn't sound about right. I'm of the opinion that a woman has the right to make decisions about her own body; and if that means getting an abortion, then so be it. I don't condone abortion. It's not something that I think I could ever choose for myself. But I don't condemn abortion either. I don't think that anybody should have the right to tell a woman that she HAS to carry a baby for nine months and then give birth.

I hope that maybe you've learned something about stereotyping because of this, but somehow I doubt it.

There's a world of difference between a wanted pregnancy and an accidental one. Parenthood is too serious an ordeal to be made a "consequence". Maybe it's just because I'm a MEAN OL' MAAAYUN, but I don't believe anybody should have to suffer for eighteen years just because he or she made a three-minute mistake.

And maybe it's just because I'm a weak-minded, sentimental woman, but I hardly view raising a child as suffering for eighteen years. Raising a child is a beautiful experience to anybody who is smart enough to realize it. If a parent suffers for eighteen years raising a child, then that kid is the spawn of satan or that parent is too much of an idiot to see that they have the privilege of being loved unconditionally by a child.

Girls shouldn't have the option to force a man to raise a child, either. Once again, there are cock-trappers, lying sluts, and defective condoms out there.

Girls don't have the option of forcing a man to raise a child. A girl can't make a man stick around to help take care of a baby. She can ask a judge to make a man pay child support, but that's it, and if you think that sending some money every month is raising a child, you have some severe delusions about what parenthood is.

But, hey, can we at least agree that children who are forced upon one or both of their parents usually end up having unhappier childhoods than those who are born to two parents who both wanted them?

I'm assuming you're talking strictly about unwanted pregnancies in this case and not just unplanned ones, because an unplanned pregnancy is not always an unhappy one. In that case, I agree with you. There is no worse thing for a kid than to be born to parents who don't want a child. But if both parents don't want a baby, they should either abort the pregnancy or, preferably, let the baby be adopted by somebody who will love it like it deserves.

 

[HentMas]

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I´m sorry, but this had hit rather close to confort into my personal life, so i´m going to rant about my personal experience, so that people might see my point and think.

Ok, here goes nothing

Spoiler

Ok, I had a girl friend, we had sex, she got pregnant, she was 17 at the time I was 21.

We were 3 months into the relationship, but it doesn´t matter, she started to act really weird towards me when we found out she was pregnant, so she broke up with me after a while, she had taken pills to abort (it was before 3 months, we both didn´t saw the kid as a living person) and so we continued with our lives we kept in touch and I was fairly angry at her because she had being bad mouthing me telling everyone that I was obsessed with her and things like that and telling everyone nasty things about me, something I didn´t liked of course.

So, after the first trimester she called me and said ?look, we have to go take an ultrasound just to check how are things going? I was angry and told her ?all right, I?ll make the appointment?, so yeah, I called the doctor and he told me that Friday would be good, so I called her again and told her, she said ?ok, call me on Friday?, well, Friday came and I called her (she had become quite rebellious with her parents and had being going out to bars and discos since we split up, not that I cared, but she seemed too eager to comment it with me whenever we talked ?I went to this bar with my friends? and such which was a lie because her parents had told me she had only gone out like once) so anyway, I called her and said ?it´s time to go? she began to say ?oh, I can?t go, I?m going out of town with a few friends to watch a movie? I got really angry and told her ?then tell one of your fucking friends to take you to the doctor? she got quiet and finally agreed, so we went and we were all nervous sitting in the waiting room (I was expecting to see nothing) the doctor called and we got in, she got into the chair and the doctor began, ?ok, let?s see? after a while of searching the doctor said ?well, that?s the head?. And those are the legs?.and those are his arms?
HELL!!! I wasn´t expecting THAT? so I was at the verge of tears when he pointed the ultrasound to his heart? and there it was? the heart beat? steady? strong? beautiful, I couldn´t take it anymore, so the doc said ?is this your first child? and she said, quite serious, with no hint of emotion in her voice ?oh, we are not having the baby?

My head blurred, those words echoed in my mind for a long time until I found myself driving in the car, she was talking with a friend in the phone ?yeah!!, meet you there!!? she hang up and told me ?ok, can you drop me near the church? I said ?ok, but can?t we talk about this??? ?no? she replied ?there is nothing to talk about? I was numb, I didn´t knew what to say ?but why not??, lets discuss this, is there any way that you can have the kid? ?look, just drop it, you are just saying that because you want us back together, you don?t want this kid at all?
Oh, that was the ticket; I told her ?well, you know what FUCK YOU, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY CAR WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT?

So she got out and I started driving aimlessly, I called a friend and told him ?dude, I need you? so I got him out of his house and I explained everything to him ?what are you going to do???he asked, I said ?I don?t know? at that moment my phone rang, it was her, I answered ?what do you want?? and she said ?ok, look, I?m going to look for a clinic to have the abortion and I will send the bill to you? I got angrier than before ?O HELL YOU WONT, I AM NOT GOING TO PAY FOR YOU TO KILL MY SON? and she replied ?FINE, I´LL SEE WHAT I DO BUT I AM NOT HAVING THIS BABY?

I was utterly wordless, she hang up and I asked my friend ?what do I do? he replied ?I don?t know, you know, we should probably go and talk with Chuy, he haves a cooler head for this problems? so up we went to meet with Chuy, after a quick explanation, ?the only way I think I can stop her is by telling her parents, but that utterly will destroy any kind of relationship with her, be it friendship or whatever? he pondered for a few moments and asked ?what do you want??, I quickly said ?I want to have my kid?, then he said ?go and tell her parents?.
I got into my car and drove as fast as I could to her parents home, In the way I called her on, her friend answered ?yes, Vinicio, What do you want?? I quickly told her ?look, whatever she does, don?t let her hurt my son, don?t let her do anything rash? so she answered ?I´m sorry Vini, but she is my friend, I am going to support her in whatever decision she makes? and I told her ?if she doesn´t want to talk to me, i´m going to have to tell her parents? she then told me ?if you tell her parents she is going to hate you for the rest of her life? I stopped for a second and replied ?so be it? and hung up. (I am not making this shit up, that happened to the letter).

So I kept driving and she called me again, she was crying ?don?t you tell my parents? ?you leave me no choice? ?I´ll hate you? ?then hate me, but I won?t let you kill my son? ?I have caused too much troubles and burden in my family, don?t tell them, it is best if I abort, besides I will never be back with you, no matter what? I got angry again ?so fucking sure I only want to be with you?? You are sooo wrong, you don´t want to have the kid, I do, no point in talking with you? so I hung up and got to her parents house, I called her mom ?can you come out, I have to talk to you?, ?sure Vini, i´m going? so she got out.

I told her ?you want to know why your daughter is behaving so weird lately? well, I have something to tell you?, I explained everything, all that have happened up from our break up till that time. ?oh? so, that?s why she broke up with you, she was so happy with you? I was al WTF??? No, she was wrong, her daughter hated me, well, I let that slip and told her ?well, your daughter doesn´t want the kid, but I do, what do we do?? she started crying ?I don?t know, I have to talk with my husband? she explained me later that she was crying because she was disappointed with her daughter that she wanted to kill a baby instead of telling her parents, so we got out and she called her husband, he came out and faced me, after a much briefer explanation the father stood in front of me, I was sure he was going to punch me in the face, I stood there and didn´t move ?oh, how stupid can you both be?, go home, I will talk to my daughter, we´ll gather tomorrow to talk?

So, I went home and told my parents, my mom only said ?I´m going to be a grandmother!?!?? with shiny eyes, my dad discussed the matter more thoroughly ?do you want to be with her?? ?NO, I don?t want to be with her, not after I saw that she can be a murderer?, ?are you willing to take care of the kid?, ?YES, I don?t care how much I have to do to accomplish that, I will take care of my son? ?are you prepared to go to the outmost consequences if she doesn´t give in??? I stopped, ?what do you mean???, he lowered his voice and told me ?I mean that we will probably be forced to set a demand abiding her to have the baby and give it to you, and that if she ever hurts the baby she will be sent to Jail for murder? (here in MX the laws allow that), ?yes, I don?t care about her any more, I want to have my kid, period.?

My dad patted me in the back, gave me a pill (a pill for the nerves) and sent me to sleep, I was already in bed when the mom of her called, ?I cant contact my daughter, can you call her???, so I called her, she replied ?did you tell my parents??? ?you left me no choice? ?I wont come back home? ?look, you get back in this moment or I am going to have to take extreme measures? she hang up, I called her, the phone was off, I called her friend ?what do you want?? ?take her back, if anything happens to my son, you are going down with her? ?she is not with me anymore? ?don?t lie to me, take her back? ?no, a friend already came to get her and send her back home?

I was relieved, I called her parents again but she hadn´t come back, I went to her house and called her mom ?she already got here, wait a moment in there?, so I waited and after a while her mom came out ?come here, we are all going to talk to her?

I got in and sat on the table, she had her eyes swollen his father had the most serious face I have ever seeing and her mom had puffy eyes too, no one spoke and after some time I decided to begin, ?why don?t you want to have the kid??? ?Because I?m too young? ?that?s awfully selfish of you, to kill a baby because you are not ready? ?I don?t care, I can?t handle being a mother? ?and who says you have to be a mother??? Have the baby, give him to me and you won?t see him again? ?I can?t do that!!? ?Then why don?t you want to have the baby!?? ?BECAUSE I AM TOO YOUNG TO BE MARIED AND HAVE KIDS? I stood up ?THAT´S IT?? YOU DON?T WANT TO BE WITH ME!?? ?NO, I DON?T WANT TO BE WITH YOU? ?THEN DON?T BE WITH ME, I DON?T WANT TO BE WITH YOU EITHER, BUT THAT THING IN YOUR BELLY IS MY SON AND I WONT LET YOU MURDER MY SON? his father stood up and said in a grave voice ?STOP? and we had a much calmer conversation.

After conversation with her parents, I came across with this

1.- she felt too young and that she would not experience life as she should, she felt she was going to have to leave school, she felt that she was never going to accomplish anything

2.- she felt that I had gotten her pregnant on purpose to ?tie? her to me, she felt It was all my fault and that I was a horrible person for doing that

3.- she felt she was not going to be able to love the kid, that she was going to blame him for everything wrong that was going to happen to her

In other words, she was afraid to grow up.

So, she finally accepted to have the kid, after assuring her she would be able to keep studying and keep having a normal life for a girl at her age, that ?nothing had to change too much? and that she didn´t needed to marry me, so I went home, after getting into bed (again) her mom called me ?Vini, come back, she doesn´t want to be alone?

So I went again to her house and I found her laid in the couch with a blanket and hot chocolate, her mother caressing her hair.

?What do you want?? I asked rather bluntly, I was disgusted by her; I hated her for thinking the worst of me, for all the things she had said to me and about me, for how selfish she was, for trying to murder my son, for a thousands of reasons, in that exact moment, I hated her like I had never hated anyone before.

Her mother said in a quiet voice ?well? I have being talking with my daughter, she says she wants to try and be with you, she wants to move to Cordoba and live by the sea like you used to joke about? (my family haves a great business and several places where I could go and work, one of those places is Cordoba where my brother is the manager), well, to make things short, she wanted me to make all her dreams come true (we had joked about all those things when we were together), I laughed flat out in their faces, ?you are telling me that she wants to MARRY ME!?!?, after how she expressed about me, all those thing about me being obsessed with her, being an ass to her?? And you expect me to come running back to her!?!? You are crazy!? she broke into tears and run upstairs to her room screaming ?I won?t have the kid?, her mother told me ?don?t you want to do things the right way??, she still loves you, it?s just that her world was falling apart, she needs to see a doctor because her reaction is not what one would find in a sane person.

So, she went to see a psychiatrist and after a few sessions the psychiatrist called me and asked to see me, I found out that she had a rare condition that is commonly prescribed to 13-15 years old kids, but as she had being for so much time without proper treatment, it was quite present in her, and somewhat aggravated basically, she didn´t had boundaries, she didn´t cared about her getting in trouble, and when confronted with a serious problem she had no way of taking a serious decision and she would rush to whatever she thought would get her out of the problem faster and she was emotionally a 10-13 years old girl, oh, and that basically the closer or more attached she was emotionally to someone, the more prone to ?lash out? towards that person she would be.

Well? after that, I understood why the sudden change, why all the things she said (not being true) everything got into place, and I forgave her, we got married a year a go and we love each other, we have a healthy young 1 ½ year old man and we have come trough a lot, we are both much more mature than before, she is still studying and I am working to get my family afloat (well, I have being working for 3 years actually but that?s beside the point).

so, should the father have a say in the matter of abortion????, HELL YES, OOH HELL YES, but never to force a girl to have an abortion.

*EDDITED FOR EASYER READING*

 

[HentMas]

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oooh, you seem like a smart girl, could you please read my previous post and tell me your ideas, i would love to discuss this further.

 

[rubyblue]

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oooh, you seem like a smart girl, could you please read my previous post and tell me your ideas, i would love to discuss this further.

You have a pretty amazing story. It's really cool what you did for your son, and I'm happy for you.

On the topic of whether or not a man should have a say when it comes to a woman aborting their child, I'm just not sure. The feminist in me wants to tell you that a man has no right to tell a woman she's going to carry his child whether she likes it or not. But the other part of me thinks that a man should fight for his child if he wants to raise him or her. It's a really, really tough question.

 

[Squarez]

Someone else on these forums had a good point a fair while ago.

S/he said that if both parents want to abort, fine. However if say the man wants to keep it but the woman does not he should be able to keep it. That he should be able to go to the courts and stop her having an abortion however he must pay for her living during the 9 months and for a while after until she is fit to work again, pay a fee for the child, pay for any medical bills and such. Also he may have to pay for cosmetic surgery for the woman as who wants a sagging gut and stretch marks?
If the woman wants to keep it but the man wants to abort. He should have no legal obligations to either of them. Abortions are relatively safe right? She could have it removed but chose to keep it. Why should that tie a man to her for the next 18 years because she wants to be selfish? [Edit]But that should only apply when it is still in the first trimester. Don't want a guy planning on having a baby with a girl, waiting till it is too late to have an abortion then backing out and leaving the chick with the problem.[/end of edit]

The original posts points may have been different as this is just running from memory but you get the point.
(Also, side note. You may want to run the original post through a spell checker. People are fussy about that.)

That works well in a Legal sense, but not a personal one. what if the relationship will last longer than the 18 years, but the father is just not ready for a baby, does he get no say in whether they have an abortion? In the same way that mother has all the decision wether she is "ready" or not, the father may not be, which can toll a relationship.

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

It comes down to:

1. The man wanting it and the woman not wanting it.
2. The man not wanting it and the woman wanting it.
3. Both parties want it.
4. Both parties don't want it.

1. In the first scenario I believe(like alot of people have said already)that the woman has the baby but then she reliquishes all legal rights to the child.
2. The same, but vice versa.
3. Then they have it and raise it, simple.
4. It gets aborted, simple.

Tbh ideally right now, whether fuck buddy, girlfriend or general dating I would want a girl who would be willing to have an abortion if she were to get pregnant, I'm nowhere near ready for a baby. And before someone says "no one is "ready" for a baby", yes, that is true, but try telling that to it whilst it's getting aborted, I'll be "ready" when I am both financially secure, can provide for it and have lived enough of my life really, not before then. I use protection but since protection isn't 100% effective then abortion will have to be to the final port of call should normal protection fail.

 

[Pandalisk]

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oooh, you seem like a smart girl, could you please read my previous post and tell me your ideas, i would love to discuss this further.

You have a pretty amazing story. It's really cool what you did for your son, and I'm happy for you.

On the topic of whether or not a man should have a say when it comes to a woman aborting their child, I'm just not sure. The feminist in me wants to tell you that a man has no right to tell a woman she's going to carry his child whether she likes it or not. But the other part of me thinks that a man should fight for his child if he wants to raise him or her. It's a really, really tough question.

Yup its a right mess isnt it? i surppose This is something that can never be truly answered, we can give opinions but so many people have other opinions on the matter.

I leave the child with Fate, knowing that regardless a couple will come to a conclusion, no matter how messy or hard.