Poll: Abortion- What's your position and why?

[Avatar Roku]

I voted B, its wrong to flush yer baby out, imo if you were stupid enough to not use protection you deserve the consequences because that would make less girls have sex as early as 15, but if it was banned people would just go black market. Note to people: be more responsible

What do you think in cases of rape and/or incest?

Anyway, morally, I go with the Jewish perspective on this: a fetus may not be life, but it is still potential for life. The needs of the potential should not overrule the needs of the pre-existing, so if the birth would harm the mother (and I add rape as an extension of that), abortion should be fine. However, it is still the potential for life and should not be thrown away frivolously.

Legally, however, I believe abortions should be 100% legal, as I'm also against legislating morality beyond simple common sense (i.e, murder is bad, as it infringes on the rights of another). After all, my morals may be different than yours, and who am I to say mine are better?

Going along with that, blanket statements seem unfortunately superior in terms of laws, as those which require discretion tend to end up abused/misused.

As a side note, I hate people on both sides who respond as if their own opinion is simple common sense (i.e responding to this question like this: "Yes, I'm against murder" or "No, I believe in freedom"), as if the other side is evil.

 

[cobra_ky]

Other. life doesn't begin at conception. i'm not sure at what stage of brain development life DOES begin at, but it's definitely before the third trimester. up until that point, i don't care what happens to the fetus, and 3-4 months should be enough time to decide what you want to do with it. i have no problem with banning elective late-term abortions. obviously the mother's health always comes first and foremost.

fuck morality choices

O.T fuck making abortion illeagal, that's like making tobacco illeagal, it would destroy to much business at this point.

by that logic, we never should have gotten rid of slavery.

1. by your logic, it would be better to let a fetus be born after 3-4 months, even if it would be born to a hellhole(poverty,etc.)

living in poverty is generally better than being killed, yes. you can always put the kid up for adoption.

2. from a business point of view, making slavery illegal is equivillent to cutting off your dominent hand, you'll be severly crippeled for awhile. you'll learn to get better,but the first few years would be hell.

3.in case your wondering,i'm not pro-slavery, i'm just looking at it from a business point of view,because, as i said before, fuck morality choices. I know slavery was bad, and i'm glad it's gone, i just hate this dumbfuck morality choices that are bassicaly "do good,do bad,or do terrible things to people

well like it or not, abortion is a moral issue, and morality will always outweigh the needs of business.

 

[Robert632]

Other. life doesn't begin at conception. i'm not sure at what stage of brain development life DOES begin at, but it's definitely before the third trimester. up until that point, i don't care what happens to the fetus, and 3-4 months should be enough time to decide what you want to do with it. i have no problem with banning elective late-term abortions. obviously the mother's health always comes first and foremost.

fuck morality choices

O.T fuck making abortion illeagal, that's like making tobacco illeagal, it would destroy to much business at this point.

by that logic, we never should have gotten rid of slavery.

1. by your logic, it would be better to let a fetus be born after 3-4 months, even if it would be born to a hellhole(poverty,etc.)

living in poverty is generally better than being killed, yes. you can always put the kid up for adoption.

2. from a business point of view, making slavery illegal is equivillent to cutting off your dominent hand, you'll be severly crippeled for awhile. you'll learn to get better,but the first few years would be hell.

3.in case your wondering,i'm not pro-slavery, i'm just looking at it from a business point of view,because, as i said before, fuck morality choices. I know slavery was bad, and i'm glad it's gone, i just hate this dumbfuck morality choices that are bassicaly "do good,do bad,or do terrible things to people

well like it or not, abortion is a moral issue, and morality will always outweigh the needs of business.

with your logic, we should have already gotten rid of tabbaco, because it is a generlly negitive thing.

EDIT:also, i think dying when i'm barley alive in a womens womb is better then starving and feeling terrible all the time, but that's just me. and i just hate making morality choices on forums, because the ansewr most people will chosse is obvious,and thus, they are utterly pointless

 

[Emilie Diabolica]

i'm going to get flamed like hell for this, probably.

i believe it's murder.
infact, i know it's murder.

if people are interested in philosophical proofs for this, i read a fantastic socratean dialogue with an abortionist which ended in the abortionist admitting it is in fact murder. I could bang on about a list of proofs and reasons a fetus is living and human(for the record, none have anything to do with religion), but i dont like boring everyone with a wall-o-text (and i'm sure you've all heard enough abortion discussions to make your ears bleed).

and just as a thought, look at the title of this article [a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/health/839804/unborn-child-dies-from-swine-flu-report"]here[/a]. If a fetus isn't alive to begin with, why was all of australia told that the third death from swine flu was an unborn baby?

 

[Zand88]

Abortion should not only should be legal, but also legally mandated, in case by case situations.

 

[Puzzles]

Cmon you cant seriously think i was going to try that on you *puts away nails and tape*

wait a second! Ill put a wig on you and make the hypothetical problem of the nods go away!

Thank god! I always dreamed of being strung up on a cross, imagine the embarrasment if I settled for a crummy wall.

 

[brighteye]

I am pro-choise, and will be so until there is an baby shortage.

I also think all those "lifers" is quite silly until they are themself prepared to take care of an unwanted child, they are really good at yelling at raped women at abortion clinics, but how many of them are prepared to adopt that unwanted child ?

 

[JWAN]

I think that only in extreme cases should abortions be used. As in the baby is a threat to the mothers life (or a twins life or something like that and it cannot be handled any other way) and it needs to be aborted. Other than that a baby in the womb is a life because it is what it is. Sure its not filling diapers but its still a life.

You can always put the baby up for adoption.

I also believe that if a woman is murdered while pregnant the murderer should be charged with a double homicide.

I really have nothing to say because I know I'm not going to change any minds and I know you guys wont change mine so it kinda ends here for me.

 

[yosophat]

A woman who DOES NOT CHOOSE to have sex, is raped, should have a right to abortion. A WOMAN AND A MAN who CHOOSES TO HAVE SEX without any contraceptives should have some sort of responsibility, it should be punishable to be so Reckless; so in a way NO. A woman whose life is in danger due to pregnancy should have the right to choose. There was a case in South America where a 11 year old was raped and became pregnant, so her parents had to decide whether she should get an abortion but they went to the Church and of course they are going to say no but if she doesn't get an abortion she would most definitely die. In a way a woman should always Choose Life.

Why is it that issues like these always have two opposite extremes, there is always middle ground. Right and Wrong are not separated by a straight line. The difference of Right and Wrong is more skewed and crooked than a drunken homosexual taking a sobriety test while on Ecstasy with ADD.

 

[Scarecrow38]

Whether or not the act of abortion is right or wrong, each woman/ couple has a right to decide for themselves. It's simply moral arrogance to think that your morality is so much better to the point where you try to push that onto others.

Why is it so difficult to think that other people may be both pro- choice and anti- abortion?

 

[Arikuza]

Religiously, I don't believe in it. But I'm stuck between banning and legalizing it. It isn't what I think is right, but banning it WILL make underground operations and even self-operating which isn't safe, so I'm stuck in between.

 

[LilGherkin]

I'm glad with the laws in effect concerning how old the fetus is before there comes a point where you can't abort.

 

[Internet Kraken]

In my opinion, abortion is almost never justified. Everyone deserves to live, and ending a human life before it even has a chance to begin just seems wrong to me. However, others clearly don't think like I do so I don't want it to be illegal.

 

[lostclause]

Although I'm not about to say you're wrong/evil/a murderer etc, I will state that technically a fetus is a human. It has human DNA, therefore it is human.

This is going to open up a can of worms but if people with downs syndrome have extra genetic material, does that make them non-human? (no, that is not my opinion, I'm just raising a point.)

But my position is pro-choice, with reservations. If you don't want the child prevention is the way to go and if that doesn't work we have orphanages, a poor life is better than none (assuming they don't get adopted), and yes you should give generously to that orphanage.

 

[Supraliminal]

But on the other hand I think promiscuous women who go sleeping around and get pregnant should be forced to live with consequences of their stupidity, ie no abortions for them. Unfortunately it's hard to put that into law.

On the other hand: A promiscuous woman sleeps around alot, and gets pregnant. For being careless, I don't feel a fetus has the right to die.

I quite don't get this.
Yes, that kind of careless/stupid people should be punished, but why with a baby.
It's certainly not going to be a great life for the human( new parent by law)in question, turning from party on animal to single parent. But is it going to be a good life for the kid? I don't think so.

Now, if the child was given to parents who wanted it, and the birth pains would be the penalty for the woman,then it would be fine.

What about the promiscuous man who made her pregnant? ( if he is around). Money penalty?

Abortion is for sick bastards that make money out of murder. Its disgusting how many people support it blindly because they see it as a right. Nobody has the right to tell someone should die because of his/her own mistake. Only time I support is if the baby has a retardation/birth defect.

As I said earlier if the parents don't want the kid or don't know how to raise one, It's not going to be the best solution for the child.

For the murder thing. Kinda hardly said.
I think that human life starts from the birth, because that is when you plunge in to this real world of ours and start to experience the things that you might remember, your brain begins to function. ( I don't remember my first moments, but somebody might).
I doubt that anyone can recal their earlier "life" in the womb.

This is an interesting point. People talk about how much they respect life, but if they found out their baby was going to be born retarded, most of them (including me) would want an abortion.

Yeah. A real pro-life would raise a defect child. There aren't much of that kind in the world.

If you (LCP for example) are ready to abort a "retard" child then you can as well abort a "normal" fetus too. they both grow up to be conscious thinking humans.

 

[cowbell40]

I meant that in the sense that it's not a Human.
not living in a human sense.

Now hang on, you're definitely wrong there. Correct me if I'm just not getting what you're saying.

We distinguish species from one another by their DNA, correct? If you took a sample from a fetus it wouldn't be, say, cow DNA. It wouldn't even be monkey DNA. I doubt you could find any honest scientist who would tell you that the DNA found in the fetus was anything but human DNA. The same goes with any other embryo of any other species (obviously). The fetus is human, albeit a not fully-developed one.

If what you mean is that because the fetus can't do things that most humans can do, for instance basic math, reading, eating etc, that it somehow makes it not a human, you are definitely wrong. Some members of the elderly population can't feed or bathe themselves. Does it make someone not a person just because they can't do everything a "normal" person can?

I apologize if I read too much into your comment.

 

[ZeroMachine]

Although I'm not about to say you're wrong/evil/a murderer etc, I will state that technically a fetus is a human. It has human DNA, therefore it is human.

This is going to open up a can of worms but if people with downs syndrome have extra genetic material, does that make them non-human? (no, that is not my opinion, I'm just raising a point.)

But my position is pro-choice, with reservations. If you don't want the child prevention is the way to go and if that doesn't work we have orphanages, a poor life is better than none (assuming they don't get adopted), and yes you should give generously to that orphanage.

Humans with down syndrome still have human DNA (I know you don't believe what you said, but still, I had to say it).

Um... bacteria. Viruses. Several parasites and insects. Even plants, if you want to get really technical. Those are all living things. They aren't intelligent (unless you count instinct as intelligence) they cannot feel emotions and they cannot creat emotional connections.

Now, I do believe you're entitled to your opinion of abortion being ok, but a fetus is a living thing, no two ways about it. Not only is it a living thing, but it's a living thing with potential to surpass the living thing it's growing inside of, be it from intelligence, strength, or some other thing.

My stance on it? It's not my place to decide for other people, even though I disagree with it. But, I refuse to get into any discussion about it (situations like this being exceptions).

I'm not meaning to insult you or anything, Sanity, but it's just the truth. Whether something is alive or not is not an opinion, it's a fact, and a fetus is a living thing, albeit in a very primitive, early stage of life.

Yes, but there's also a chance of it being a person who has no impact on society with a pointless life like the rest of us.

Oh boy... and here's where and oft looked down upon trait of mine comes out. Realistic optimism.

No life is pointless. Every life affects another life in one way or another, be it negative or positive. It's simply a part of nature. Everyone contributes to the whole, whether it's for better or worse, or a larger or smaller effect. (And I'm not saying the whole "every life is sacred" bull. Every life is important to an extent. Sacred is a term used to envoke an overinflated sense of importance beyond what any person's life is, no matter how much they contribute to society.)

And (not that I'm calling you out) you didn't comment on my main point... a fetus is alive. I'm curious about your take on my comment.