Poll: American apathy

[cgride555]

Many things could and should go wrong. I'm not the only one one whose upset with the events in America right now. This oil spill has put friends of mine out of work indefinitely. I don't care to play the blame game, but we all need to speak out against the people that made it so. People whose names and identities will never be known. Just know: if they put me on a list- this is why.

Victim complex. Check.

you are right. I have a victim complex. because I have been victimized. I should say my friends have been victimized more so than me, but I'm still mad about it. We have all been victimized, and we need to acknowledge it.

 

[Aesir23]

opposed to waiting for it by people who do not represent us as Americans!

I'm not American. Well, ok. I'm 1/4 American, but I don't live there.

But basically you just ranted to the internet through a wall of text. You're not asking a question or offering a base for discussion.

Anyway, after reading your giant wall of text I chose "Time for "we the people" to take action. Obama has nothing to do with it" Most people just wait around for the government to magically figure out what's wrong instead of standing up and trying to make a difference themselves. But here's the thing. Sometimes giving the people too much power on important issues isn't such a good idea. My reasoning? Remember the whole Proposition 8 fiasco in California? Sometimes public opinion gets in the way of what's best for the country as a whole. Because let's face it, some people are idiots who shouldn't be allowed to procreate, much less help decide how the country progresses.

 

[cgride555]

All I can say is "eh".

All the USA would-be presidents, that got the elected or at least got a good amount of votes, for the past decade were complete dipshits in my opinion.

Bush Junior, no comment. I fucking hate the guy, most things he did in the office, Patriot Act, the whole war malarchy, his obvious attempts to bring religion into politics (just listen to some of that ol' tard's speeches) and ban on stem cell research included. McCain and Palin, the same deal practically.

Obama seemed like the lesser shithead out of the people in 2008 election, but given some of his questionable actions lately I doubt it. Of course, on the other hand, anything is good as long as it means keeping people like Palin or McCain from power.

Considering how much support a lot of these shitheads got, it kind of makes you understand that the real problem is the average citizen. Seriously, what the fuck, USA? You've got one of the best constitutions in the world, and a pretty awesome country, and you fuck it up like that?

Democracy isn't worth shit when what seems like a vocal majority (I know, this might be an overstatement, but hyperbole's work.) are people who stand for ideas like creationism and would rather pray instead of taking the matter into their own hands and actually doing shit that could help them.

2 thumbs up Billion Backs. "Vocal majority" was an excellent contribution to the discussion. Disavowing our own subservience is the key factor to a better system.

 

[cgride555]

opposed to waiting for it by people who do not represent us as Americans!

I'm not American. Well, ok. I'm 1/4 American, but I don't live there.

But basically you just ranted to the internet through a wall of text. You're not asking a question or offering a base for discussion.

Anyway, after reading your giant wall of text I chose "Time for "we the people" to take action. Obama has nothing to do with it" Most people just wait around for the government to magically figure out what's wrong instead of standing up and trying to make a difference themselves. But here's the thing. Sometimes giving the people too much power on important issues isn't such a good idea. My reasoning? Remember the whole Proposition 8 fiasco in California? Sometimes public opinion gets in the way of what's best for the country as a whole. Because let's face it, some people are idiots who shouldn't be allowed to procreate, much less help decide how the country progresses.

I thank you for reading my wall of text. I do admit it was a bit of a rant, so I thank you again for sticking though. I must respectfully disagree in that my writings did offer a base for discussion in that I meant to provoke the questioning of authority here in the states. I myself have worked amongst the lower class who primarily consist feeble minded fools who would rather accept food stamps than give a second thought to bettering the community in which we all share. I think you've hit the point in you're first discussion rather than the latter. People here now a days do wish for the government to magically fix the problem opposed to taking on responsibility. The problem I found with the latter is that California is a government in and of its own self and has acted quite erratically for years. It's hardly a state to compare to the rest of America.

 

[Lucifer dern]

america seems to big to fail, it could quite easily be self sufficiant. in my mind its probibly the only country with a future o w8 china ow yeah its dead where all dead im going to go learn chinese

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Wrong section and I go "Meh"

On an off topic note, love the avatar.

 

[masher]

Political debate on the internet!

Nothing could POSSIBLY go wrong here!

XD And~ --the baseless opinions and -hatred- is let loose! What's going to stop them? -Nothing-! Nothing -can- or -will-! Ah the Internet. There are no walls. A thing built off of opinions. A place where someone will -always- have one contrary to yours and will -always- voice it.

 

[Aesir23]

opposed to waiting for it by people who do not represent us as Americans!

I'm not American. Well, ok. I'm 1/4 American, but I don't live there.

But basically you just ranted to the internet through a wall of text. You're not asking a question or offering a base for discussion.

Anyway, after reading your giant wall of text I chose "Time for "we the people" to take action. Obama has nothing to do with it" Most people just wait around for the government to magically figure out what's wrong instead of standing up and trying to make a difference themselves. But here's the thing. Sometimes giving the people too much power on important issues isn't such a good idea. My reasoning? Remember the whole Proposition 8 fiasco in California? Sometimes public opinion gets in the way of what's best for the country as a whole. Because let's face it, some people are idiots who shouldn't be allowed to procreate, much less help decide how the country progresses.

I thank you for reading my wall of text. I do admit it was a bit of a rant, so I thank you again for sticking though. I must respectfully disagree in that my writings did offer a base for discussion in that I meant to provoke the questioning of authority here in the states. I myself have worked amongst the lower class who primarily consist feeble minded fools who would rather accept food stamps than give a second thought to bettering the community in which we all share. I think you've hit the point in you're first discussion rather than the latter. People here now a days do wish for the government to magically fix the problem opposed to taking on responsibility. The problem I found with the latter is that California is a government in and of its own self and has acted quite erratically for years. It's hardly a state to compare to the rest of America.

What I meant when it came to "base for discussion" was that I couldn't see anything that you specifically wanted us to respond to.

As for using California as an example. That's really just what it was, an example. There are a lot of issues where a certain result would be better for a country or society as a whole. But some people will be against it because of their own personal opinions, not caring about whether or not they've been misinformed and some will make no attempt to listen to the other side. Rather preferring to take the 'plug your ears and sing "lalala"' approach.

I guess a better example would be when Universal Healthcare was being proposed by Tommy Douglas up here in Canada. A lot of people were vehemently against it, no matter what points were made. And now, most Canadians I know wouldn't dare give it up. As far as I know, we didn't vote on it. But my point is that at the time, a lot of people were against it, no matter how beneficial it seemed.

Sorry if I seem like I'm rambling, I have to admit that I'm not very skilled at organizing my thoughts.

 

[Sleekgiant]

Wrong section and I go "Meh"

On an off topic note, love the avatar.

Thank ya there

 

[Zhukov]

Paragraphs are a wonderful invention.

Just saying.

 

[PhiMed]

I don't really understand what it is you're proposing. Is this a Glen Beck-ish "we've got to act!" rant that implicitly advocates violence against the government, but masquerades as something else?

The Federal government has been growing in size and influence since the adminstration of Andrew Jackson, and unless you plan on resorting to violence (I don't, at this point), that trend will continue. The largest corporations in the world sponsor these guys' campaigns, so they don't work for us anymore. Again, the only way this situation will materially change is through violent revolution.

I don't know how old you are, but you seem to be a hopeless idealist. I empathize with you, I really do, but pissing in the wind isn't going to get you anything but a face full of piss.

 

[Icehearted]

There can be no unity without cooperation and leadership. America is a dry well on both counts. Every man for himself, at all costs, not responsible for each other, these are the ideas America has set itself upon in the decades that followed the 70s, and it will only get worse. I've considered, very seriously, emigrating to another less materialistic country. I was thinking Sweden or something. At least in Europe, or hell, even Canada, they have a much lower murder rate than here, not to mention health care that actually cares more for the patients than the money they can squeeze for a minimum's day work.

America is fucked, but that's just because we'd rather dig ourselves into a hole and ask China to bail us out rather than fix our problems sensibly and with greater care for the citizens that are middle to lower class instead of the wealthy and the elite.

Oh the list goes on, and if my fellow Americans are content with helping further sink the ship, I'd like to get off this ride while I can.



Also, is it just me, or are people in this country really getting dumber by the day? I swear the things people say and do on the news, in politics, on the web, has me confounded.

 

[Vitor Goncalves]

If you were talking about credit crunch and banks bailout and how all the world have been paying for the mistakes of a few for the last 3-4 years, I could go along with you. But dog food killing dogs?! I am sorry, but I think there are some priorities here. Focus people, Focus! (A cookie for the reference).

Where is the option "I could'nt care less"

 

[cgride555]

Paragraphs are a wonderful invention.

Just saying.

sorry there grammar police I didn't know this was you're spaceship. Off you go then. Bye bye now.

 

[cgride555]

Political debate on the internet!

Nothing could POSSIBLY go wrong here!

In the Religion and Politics forum (where this belongs) there is a discussion on gay marriage that's 10 pages long and still not a flame war. If that doesn't prove the "Last Bastion Of Intelligence On The Internet" claims, what does?

sorry there politics forum police, I didn't realize this was your spaceship. Off you go then, bye bye now.

 

[Naheal]

I'm gonna go with "we need to start getting up and doing something as people."

I also believe that this falls under the category of "We're fucked."

 

[cgride555]

Yeah. Viva la revolution or something like that.

Politics and the internet don't blend well.

so what the hell does politics blend well with? Here I thought the internet was a vessel for free speech. You sir are apathetic.

 

[cgride555]

I'm gonna go with "we need to start getting up and doing something as people."

I also believe that this falls under the category of "We're fucked."

good answer, but why be fucked when you can be adamant about something.