Poll: American sentiment

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katsumoto03

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Xpwn3ntial said:
I like the people and the system.

Honestly, I don't want to hear a single complaint about the U.S. unless that person has been there.
Honestly, it's hard not to hate them when you only see the bad on TV, the internet, ect. Luckily for me I've been there many times and I've seen the good.

Still, some people are just so ignorant and they seem to enjoy it... /rage

As for the system: It would work if the politicians didn't suck so much.
 

Ironman126

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I'm an American and quite frankly, i'm not a big fan of my countrymen or our system. In fact, i'd go so far as to say i hate them both. But one does not choice his country of birth, so i'm stuck with America for the time being. That said, i'm not about to emigrate. As fucked up as the US is, it's not so bad that it can't be fixed.

What really gets me are the people. Everything you have heard about us is true. We are generally fat, ignorant, arrogant, ambitious (to a fault), and fairly xenophobic. Nothing for that, tho. And i'm sure that other countries are just as bad, if not worse in some cases.
 

Thamous

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I love how its okay to despise a people and their government when your experience with both is limited to what you watch and read online. You can't judge someone simply upon their nationality and anyone who believes you can is an idiot.
 

WayOutThere

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I think our corporatist system that blocks needed reform after needed reform is fucking stupid but I rarely meet anyone who isn't nice to me.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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I can't hate the people as a whole because i have yet to meet them all. Although i do dislike a rather large number of them.
As for americas political system and atmosphere, i despise it. I lack the vocabulary to properly express my distaste for it.
 

Shade184

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I said dislike both because it fits best.

But in truth, I only dislike most of the people. There are still some good people there.

The system, however, can go get jiggy with a cactus.
 

MasterOfWorlds

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Being American, I'm somewhat biased on the issue. I like the people and I can't think of a better system, but I know ours has its flaws. I'd say that the system works fairly well, but it's the politicians that muck it up, as it were.

Sure, we could probably update the system a little, and I know some changes I would make, but that's because of my views of state rights/federal government. If we could agree on what changes we wanted to make, it would probably work better, but considering that most Americans probably couldn't tell you how many stripes are on the flag, let alone the firt thing about how the country is run, such changes would be made by what a lot of people view as the "ruling elite" and, as such, would rail against it, even if it might be in their best interest.

Oh, the irony.
 

Caligulust

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Far from it. Charlie Daniels also has a song called What This World Needs Is A Few More Rednecks, wrote a pro-Iraq war anthem and is also the guy that originally did The Devil Went Down To Georgia.

Worryingly enough, lots of people in the southern states of America agree with him.
The south has been a bit odd since the beginning, and I doubt they'll give it up as easily as they have other things. Though, I don't believe he specifically means we need more jerks, but kind simpletons.

Anyways, on topic, I kind of grow tired when it comes to conversations about the people of the United Sates. Of course there are intolerant idiots, but those exist everywhere. I guess they're just more noticeable as they are more likely to express their silly opinions. Saying that that you "don't hate all of them" is kind of pathetic. It acknowledges that the assumption most of them are idiotic bigots is unsound. Could I specifically name a few who are? Being a citizen, of course.

In terms of the system, it's a bit messed up. Though, it's always been that way. It can be fixed.

I can understand the opinion held of the overly patriotic. I can't say I can stand them. However, I dislike the citizens who outright hate the country even more. I understand the difference between disagreeing and hating, but I can't understand the hate. To quote a history teacher of mine, "When a child acts inappropriately, you don't stop loving it. You correct it's behavior."

Tl;dr
People are okay, system can be fixed.
 

Twad

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Dislike the system, and what it does to the people. Dislike the people who use the system to abuse other people.
Most people are okay.
Its just sad that a number of them seem to be so misinformed.. and being loud about it.
 

AngelOfBlueRoses

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Ekit said:
CanHasDIY said:
fundayz said:
Dislike the people and the system. Now, there are lots of great American people but ON AVERAGE their population is waaay too ignorant. This is reflected in their government as well; corruption is rampant and many of their leaders choose inappropriate (re)actions out of ignorance or selfishness.

America has been on a downward slope for almost a decade, and unless the people and government are willing to admit that their own actions are causing their(and others') problems this trend is likely to continue.


Edit: Almost forgot about their freaking self-entitlement
As for our political system, yea, it has some serious flaws, but all-in-all we Americans still enjoy far more freedom.than probably 99% of the rest of Earths populations. Every government, especially one of significant size, has a corruption problem; at least in America, thanks to our being a constitutional republic, we have an opportunity to change our leadership every few years. I will concede.that the 'bipartisan' system tends to give credence to extremists morsel than is prudent.

So go ahead, piss and moan about how horrible people you've never met are, and I'll continue enjoying life in the most free nation on the planet ;)
You do realize that you being able to change your leadership has nothing to do with you being a republic? I live in Sweden and we're a monarchy and we can also change our leadership every four years. I think the word you're looking for is democracy.

Speaking of jumping to conclusions about people you've never met:
we Americans still enjoy far more freedom than probably 99% of the rest of Earths populations.
How exactly do you measure freedom?

And "99% of the rest of Earths populations"? What the fuck does that mean??? Are you implying that America makes up 1% of the worlds population?

As you stated yourself America has around 300,000,000 inhabitants. Earth's population is about
6 900,000,000.

100(300,000,000/6 9,000,000,000) ≈ 4,4

So according to this calculation the American people make up about 4% of the worlds population. Not 1%. Unless you meant that only part of the American people had freedom, which would make it strange of you to defend a nation on the basis that a minority of it's inhabitants were free.

But maybe you meant that 99% of the rest of Earths nations were less free than United States? That would mean that there are 100 nations total on Earth. And there isn't. There are 193 nations on Earth that are internationally recognized. So...

What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain.

Note: It's late and I calculated on my phone so I could have gotten it wrong
You freely note that it's late. So, please, step back and just stop. Out of all the stuff you could have pointed out in his quote, you instead want him to be more specific with his math? That's just silly. Focus more on the actual quote than just the math, as 80% of statistics are made up on the spot and his is no different. (See what I did there?) Really, there's no need to go on a math rant.

Oh, and Sweden is a constitutional monarchy, which means that your king/queen can only do what they're allowed to do. In other words, thinking that Sweden is an actual monarchy is a load of bullocks because the monarch has no real power. Sweden is really a parliamentary democracy.

OT: I prefer to judge on an individual basis for people, but as for the system, it pisses me off a lot. Congress can rarely get its head out of its own ass long enough to actually get something done.

And I'm getting pissed off at Captcha. Captcha has diacritics now? What the hell?
 

Xanadu84

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America is dipshit. The only reason they even came to help us in WWII was because a Nazi Submarine was stupid enough to attack one of their vessels. And they were pissed as hell about that.

But before that they didnt care at all. Sounds pretty egocentric to me.
That's not egocentric, that's political realism. America didn't get involved in WWII at first because the bad guys were across a bunch of oceans. Europe got involved because the Nazis were threatening their shit. If those European powers didn't have to fear invasion or loss of their economic interests, I guarantee you that they would have done exactly what America did. America isn't selfish, PEOPLE are selfish.
 

Xpwn3ntial

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katsumoto03 said:
Xpwn3ntial said:
I like the people and the system.

Honestly, I don't want to hear a single complaint about the U.S. unless that person has been there.
Honestly, it's hard not to hate them when you only see the bad on TV, the internet, ect. Luckily for me I've been there many times and I've seen the good.

Still, some people are just so ignorant and they seem to enjoy it... /rage

As for the system: It would work if the politicians didn't suck so much.
Yes, the people in the system are annoying
 

bushwhacker2k

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I honestly don't know of any system that's really working out to everyone's satisfaction... the people seem decent overall, I know some good people but mostly it seems like pushy people with silly beliefs give a bad name to the general populace.
 

MasterOfWorlds

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Im just going to put this out there.
ANY SYSTEM WHERE THAT WOMAN has the power to press the nuke button (which she could have gotten had we been less lucky) likely has a fair few holes in it.

Honest to god that thought terrified me on your last elections(her being a heartattack away from taking over), and if it comes near to it again i will be both scared and shocked at your system.
Conservative though I may be, Palin terrifies me. I honestly think that her and a handful of other people would be the worst thing to happen to this country should they be in a position of power.

However, any American citizen has the right to run for office. How she got as far as she did...I'll never know, but I bet it had something to do with oodles and oodles of cash. Not being qualified, however, is not something that will bar your from an election. If the people don't want you, you won't get in.

Don't blame the system for her being able to run for office, blame the people that bit her line. Also, a lot of people that voted for McCain, didn't do it because of her, they did it because they wanted him in office. Not that I'm sad that she's nowhere near the whitehouse.
 

Alorxico

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The system needs a MASSIVE overall and a lot of people need a good slap in the head by the crow-bar of Common Sense, but not all Americans are bad people.

Many Americans, unfortunately, suffers from the Crowd Mentality in a way that should be classified as a mental disorder: "If it is right, it is good. If it is popular, it is right. If someone popular supports it, it is right. If someone is an authority says it or supports it, it is right. If a lot of people say it is right and it or they are not popular and no one in authority backs them up, then it is wrong. If I am told to think for myself, I must find someone popular or in authority who believe as I do to back up my claim or I will be wrong, and being wrong is bad."

Not all Americans think this way, but there are a lot that do.
 

Elanthil01

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It always amazes me:

1. How much stock the rest of the world, despite understanding the non-representational format of their own governments RELIES ON and TRUSTS IN their government controlled media sources.

2. How easily such people, when exposed to the internet, are willing to believe anything they read...ESPECIALLY when such material espouses a negative view of something or some-one they know nothing about and, possibly, hold some small amount of fear towards.

3. How the average 'world citizen' has the stones to declare THEIR country 'the end all be all greatest thing since sliced bread' and then, in the next breath, berate the United States for espousing the same sentiment.

FACTS:

1. You are not an American. You are not privy to the nuances of our politics, our social mores, or anything else that makes an American what they are, therefore you cannot truly understand us or apply your own polarized views of societal norms to us. We are NOT you. We are NOT a mirror of you. Our thought processes are as different from your own, despite sharing a language, as any other countries.

2. The United States is a country in a constant state of flux. Small changes in our social and governmental sectors occur constantly and this makes us a bit confusing to 'get to know' even to the short-sighted extent that a person from another country ever CAN truly be said to 'know us'.

3. The United States is an amalgam formed of many people from many civilizations and our unique viewpoints and sentiments are based, largely, on a consensus of 'what is right' by ALL those people..and yes, that holds water despite a sad history of racism, classism sexism, moneyism and ageism.

4. There is not enough space here, nor would you read it if there was, for me to conduct a proper lesson on American Government, civics, and economics, nor do I feel obligated to give you one. If you are truly interested, hunt down almost any professor of Government and Economics at an American University and speak to them. While in classes, they tend to follow the books, for fear of being fired, their personal viewpoints on the USA as a whole will be a lot less....cookie cutter, tend to be more critical, be more unbiased, and can give you a better insight into our society than the internet or your government controlled media ever could.

5. Admit it...about 90% of you either do not actually 'hate' America or Americans, or you are 'jumping on the bandwagon' because it makes you feel like you are part of a group of 'enlightened individuals' to talk crap about a country you have never visited, never lived in, have little concrete knowledge of, and do not understand.

Is my country perfect? HELL NO! We have so very MANY faults I cannot even think of where to start ranting and raving...but as far as I'm concerned, we still enjoy the most freedoms, the best physical and social environment, and the most pleasant topography of anyplace in the world...and I've spent time in more than 30 countries and STILL believe that.

I perfectly agree with many of the sentiments expressed about particular 'problematic' aspects of the USA, such as our insistence on often armed interference in other countries, our economic system, et al, but as a citizen, I can tell you, things are not 'QUITE' as baldly evil and self centered here as you seem to believe.

Again, unless you have lived here for at least two or three years, and can balance your personal views with a healthy dose of pragmatism, you honestly cannot claim to know enough about us to 'talk crap'.