Poll: Are Girls more Complicated than Boys?

[Fetzenfisch]

its a common rumour that women are more complicated. one they like to support themselves quite often. But the complexity of a personality is quite random. And often overestimated.But i have to say the phenomenon that someone tries to act unexpectetly just to get more attention or to seem "deeper" or hard to access did occur in women more often than in guys in my experience.
Most women i know are actually not very different from men.Some just prefer different methods in communication, thats all.Guys can still be quite complex personalities, even if they are more direct and honest in a quantitative shorter verbal communication.They got their own ways.
If you know a certain number of people, one "gender-code" isn't more or less complicated to interpret than the other.
Basically the fields of social engagement and the grade of directness or subtlety used in those are just differently distributed.

 

[demoman_chaos]

Men are simple, women are not.
If you are ask a guy what he wants to eat, he'll tell you. Ask a girl and you'll get, "I don't know," or "you know what I like." She has her mind made up and if you don't go exactly where she wants, you'll pay. Maybe not now, but eventually you will pay.

 

[Yureina]

This girl says they are equally complex. Perhaps in different ways, but... that has more to do with the person than sex, I think.

 

[blankedboy]

Na, both sexes suck. Glad I am not either.

Your profile says "male".

 

[Ericb]

This varies so much from person to person that it is silly to perpetuate this war-of-the-sexes generalization.

On another note...

'da hell, captcha!?

 

[Gralian]

Male, i believe generally speaking, women are more complex than men. For example, women (from my experience) have a tendency to "drop hints" or try to tell you something in body language and the inflections of their speech rather than tell you something outright, and expect you to automatically "get it" or "guess what they are trying to tell you", whereas you tend to know where you stand with men. This is probably because men prefer to be straight with you so as not to show any potential weakness. Just hypothesising, don't throw food at me...

Of course you can get simple women and complex men, but i believe that to be the case for the majority of the general public. Perhaps men are more complex than i give them credit for, they just deny that complexity or hide it really well. Or perhaps it's just the people i've known that's colouring my opinion falsely.

 

[NeutralDrow]

I guess there's that...though per my bias in this matter, I don't think I'd care if they did it this time. I believe it to be true, I'm convinced it's true, so seeing people even paying lip service to the idea is gratifying, as belief often follows words. Particularly since I see <url=http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/02/men_stereotypes>the simplistic stereotype to be inherently harmful and patently insulting.

You've certainly got a point. I just abhor the idea behind paying lip service to something. It's much better to be honest. If you say you believe something, actually believe in it. Don't say it to be cool or whatever.

Mostly, I'm just annoyed by the overabundance of lies and halftruths such things encourage. I'm very much a straightforward kind of guy, so I abhor the very concept of it.

I can see that.

I think I lean the way I do because I've found the lip service to be concealing not lies, but complete apathy. And I'm willing to admit I haven't exactly pinpointed for myself which is worse.

 

[Xanian]

Also men dont concentrate on one thing at a time, we often wander in our own minds and think of 30 things a minute, whereas women seem to be better at focusing.

Strange, I read s study that stated the exact opposite. It's outdated now, but I wonder...

 

[Xanian]

Men are simple, women are not.
If you are ask a guy what he wants to eat, he'll tell you. Ask a girl and you'll get, "I don't know," or "you know what I like." She has her mind made up and if you don't go exactly where she wants, you'll pay. Maybe not now, but eventually you will pay.

Who the hell are you dating?

Also, the "You decide" tends to be an attitude of placation, rather than of not knowing or testing. They want you to be happy. It's poorly done, because the situation calls for compromise and you should discuss what you're both in the mood for, but that's the idea behind it. They just get upset when they end up not liking what you like...and upset that you didn't seem to make any effort to think of what they usually tend to prefer.

As I said, poorly executed, but not meant as a trap. For WHOEVER you're worth, insist they discuss, and give options. They'll work in options.

 

[OldGus]

See, the problem is not whether boys or girls are less or more complex. The problem is whether they actually understand each other. Boys and girls both have socially determined simple pleasures whose enjoyment is cathartic or even tautological. This is true with separate cultures, separate nationalities, separate families, and even separate people too.

Understanding that these things are enjoyable to others may be easy, but if you don't have a way to accept the first half of "simple pleasures," because you don't think "just because" is a good enough reason, then you automatically think its more complex than it is. Whereas, in examining your own plimple seasures, you recognize immediately that it is cathartic and tautological, so you conclude that it is simple, and so are you.

Men and women are equally complex, however men frequently exaggerate how simple they are because they think men should be simple.

This definitely is related to societal implications that A: Men are not emotional, and B: Emotions are complex.

People are simple; the world makes us complicated.


Sorry for the douchey, pretentious phrasing, but that's how I see it.

I are a dude.

Exactly what I'm talking about, however I will now do my best "pompous professor" to try and explain it more completely.
Ahem... Going back to the dimple treasures as an example, it is the natural human condition when presented with something simple that they don't understand, to think it actually complex. This is not just limited to crimpled Escher's though. It can even apply to customs, lines of thought, mannerisms, etc. These things not being understood can even lead to misunderstandings when we assume that something instinctual to us is also instinctual to others. A thinks manner A is simple because they grew up with that, and they think that since it is simple, everyone understands it. Then, B proves them wrong because B has never heard of it before and doesn't know that manner. Here, A still thinks manner A is simple and is offended, while B doesn't have any idea what is going on, and thinks its complex (or the other common argument, A is crazy.) This is true of everyone, especially male or female. Everyone has their own line of thought, emotional reactions, mannerisms, customs, angle fissures, and even domflex measures.

There are some exceptions to this rule, as with everything (including the speed of light.)

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Oh, I hope not. The only "tough choice" in that case would whether or not to post in the thread anyway and complain/laugh over its exclusion. I mean, "political correctness" is already fairly meaningless anyway, but defining it as "having some impression of the world beyond common stereotypes" is going a little far.

This isn't even an "equality" thing. Who exactly would be the superior in this sentiment, the complex or simplistic?

I'd say the simplistic, but that's just me.

As for the political correctness thing, I would say that he might have a point, insofar as most people, especially those in the demographic of the escapist, have been raised to/believe in "equality", and a lot of people's kneejerk response is "Everyone is always equal in everything because fuck off". I could see people clicking the "the genders are equally complex!" thing purely because of that. Some people may genuinely believe that, and honestly I'd agree, but I can see people choosing that option purely because of the "Everyone is always equal in everything" concept (which is blatantly untrue).

I guess there's that...though per my bias in this matter, I don't think I'd care if they did it this time. I believe it to be true, I'm convinced it's true, so seeing people even paying lip service to the idea is gratifying, as belief often follows words. Particularly since I see <url=http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2008/02/men_stereotypes>the simplistic stereotype to be inherently harmful and patently insulting.

I think men and women are just as complicated, but many men are less forward with the feelings they have in fear of looking weak.

Basically, yeah. There's bimbos and meatheads in roughly equal measure, but otherwise free expression from guys is still culturally frowned upon.

In my experience, girls are wtf soup.
Meaning: swirl of emotions that ends up creating a tangled mess of complexity.
So yeah, more complex, here.

...have you seen me post in the VN group chat?

Nope. Can you remember a time when I posted in it?

 

[BabyRaptor]

Do you mean that we don't open up as much, or that we appear deeper than we are so it is hard to think on such an emotionally shallow level (relatively speaking), or do we just seem to react differently in terms of our emotions than women do? Seriously, your post has made all these little unlit lightbulbs appear in my head, and I hate unlit lightbulbs.

EDIT: I'd say we are equally complex, but whereas men are complex in a kind of internalised, private way, women just spread their complexity out all over the place, so they appear more complicated, but that's just because they let it show.

Guys don't find the same things important as women do. And (this is just my experience, YMMV) it's harder to get them to talk about stuff, so there's that issue as well.

Couple examples, I dated a guy for two years. We'll call him Andy. He would never tell me when I did things that bothered him, because he felt like that would be "yelling at me unnecessarily." BUT, he would get upset about it and pout. So I was essentially having to play mind reader. Or, when we fought, he would ask what was upsetting me, or what he needed to change, you know that line. And when I would tell him, he would immediately get all indignant and then reply "Well, that's just how I am and I'm not going to change it!" (And we're not talking huge personality things here. I wouldn't go around asking people to change huge things for me. But I don't see anything with with asking people to change annoying little habits.)

In short, alot of the time things just don't match up. I've never had that issue with the girls I've dated...We tend to give you what-for.

 

[NeutralDrow]

In my experience, girls are wtf soup.
Meaning: swirl of emotions that ends up creating a tangled mess of complexity.
So yeah, more complex, here.

...have you seen me post in the VN group chat?

Nope. Can you remember a time when I posted in it?

Yes. You called Marik a Flying Ape General when he admitted he hadn't installed Tsukihime, yet.

But, you answered my question anyway. You didn't see mine or Desk's freakouts or outpouring during Symphonic Rain. Or the massive heartfelt conversations about it, but those were concealed behind spoiler boxes.

I just wanted to point out why I started laughing when you brought up "swirl of emotions creating a tangled mess of complexity" and appeared to attribute it solely to girls.

 

[FalloutJack]

Please put in a seventh vote. I wish to state that I am a guy and I don't have an F-ing clue if girls are more complex or not.

 

[thylasos]

There's a vast gulf of experience.

And one's internal world is entirely one's own domain, never to be fully expressed.

We simply can't say.

 

[Dense_Electric]

How about the "everyone is an individual and therefor everyone has a different level of complexity" answer, because that one is correct.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Do you mean that we don't open up as much, or that we appear deeper than we are so it is hard to think on such an emotionally shallow level (relatively speaking), or do we just seem to react differently in terms of our emotions than women do? Seriously, your post has made all these little unlit lightbulbs appear in my head, and I hate unlit lightbulbs.

EDIT: I'd say we are equally complex, but whereas men are complex in a kind of internalised, private way, women just spread their complexity out all over the place, so they appear more complicated, but that's just because they let it show.

Guys don't find the same things important as women do. And (this is just my experience, YMMV) it's harder to get them to talk about stuff, so there's that issue as well.

snip

Actually, with that story, I immediately started thinking of <url=http://www.cracked.com/article_18670_5-widely-believed-dating-myths-science-says-arent-true.html>this article (specifically, the #3 entry).

An entry I, as a man, can also contribute personal anecdotal supporting evidence. >_>

How about the "everyone is an individual and therefor everyone has a different level of complexity" answer, because that one is correct.

That would still default to "equally complicated." It just includes the sentiment that people can be equally simplistic, as well.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

In my experience, girls are wtf soup.
Meaning: swirl of emotions that ends up creating a tangled mess of complexity.
So yeah, more complex, here.

...have you seen me post in the VN group chat?

Nope. Can you remember a time when I posted in it?

Yes. You called Marik a Flying Ape General when he admitted he hadn't installed Tsukihime, yet.

But, you answered my question anyway. You didn't see mine or Desk's freakouts or outpouring during Symphonic Rain. Or the massive heartfelt conversations about it, but those were concealed behind spoiler boxes.

I just wanted to point out why I started laughing when you brought up "swirl of emotions creating a tangled mess of complexity" and appeared to attribute it solely to girls.

Then I missed what must have been the only time I'd have seen a swirl of emotions creating a tangled mess of complexity in males.