Poll: Are murderers forgivable?

[staika]

It depends on the situation, if someone killed to save someone then I can forgive but if they killed out of greed, lust, or something like that then no you deserve nothing.

 

[dystopiaINC]

all depends on who and why to be honest

who?an innocent bystander? a soldier in the heat of battle? an evil person? makes a difference.

why? self defense? protecting an innocent? accident? heat of the moment? cold and calculated?

 

[Jake the Snake]

I think it's interesting that intellectually I acknowledge that the unnatural act of ending another human being's life should always be considered inherently wrong. Unfortunately this concept really only holds water if nobody ever killed anybody. Sadly, this not the case.

There are some truly evil people in this world. While I don't think killing them out of a sense of revenge is right (intellectually anyway), I have to admit, the world would most definitely be a better place had they not been in it (eg: Hitler, John Wayne Gacy, The Shankhill Butchers, etc.).

If the killing is in GENUINE self defense, or is genuinely accidental, then of course that should be forgiven.


But I think whenever we can, we should prove to scum of the world we will not stoop to their level of simply killing them. No, I feel breaking their spirit and detaining them for the rest of their lives in solitary is a far harsher and ironically considered a more "humane" approach. When you become a murderer, you forfeit your right to be treated like a human being.

 

[The Shade]

Just give me any thoughts you have. Personally, I hold to the idea that any act is forgivable, with the exception of first degree murder. To me, once you kill someone else, planned it out and executed them, you have crossed the line between human and monster.

What if it was 1940, and we spent a lot of time and money organizing and carrying out an assassination of Hitler? Are we still monsters?

 

[Thundero13]

Ok first may I say, everything is forgivable, forgiveness doesn't mean letting someone off the hook after all, anyway in answer to what you're actually asking i'll stop being so padantic
If you plan out and carry a murder as you said then no it isn't 'forgivable' but often a murder is just done without thinking, in which case it's still awful but it is 'forgivable', the person who commited it should still receive jail time and help and it doesn't condone what they did but it's at least understandable
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I'm not great at wording things sorry, I hope you can understand what i'm trying to say

 

[retyopy]

Just give me any thoughts you have. Personally, I hold to the idea that any act is forgivable, with the exception of first degree murder. To me, once you kill someone else, planned it out and executed them, you have crossed the line between human and monster.

What if it was 1940, and we spent a lot of time and money organizing and carrying out an assassination of Hitler? Are we still monsters?

No. Hitler was also a murderer, or at least he set up quite a few murders, and thus he is a monster as well. And killing a monster is fine by my watch.

 

[The Shade]

Just give me any thoughts you have. Personally, I hold to the idea that any act is forgivable, with the exception of first degree murder. To me, once you kill someone else, planned it out and executed them, you have crossed the line between human and monster.

What if it was 1940, and we spent a lot of time and money organizing and carrying out an assassination of Hitler? Are we still monsters?

No. Hitler was also a murderer, or at least he set up quite a few murders, and thus he is a monster as well. And killing a monster is fine by my watch.

So murder is okay, as long as the person you're murdering is also a murderer? And then it's okay for someone to come along and murder you right back.
This seems like it would very quickly spiral out of control.

 

[LordRoyal]

Better question, can murderers forgive themselves

 

[retyopy]

Just give me any thoughts you have. Personally, I hold to the idea that any act is forgivable, with the exception of first degree murder. To me, once you kill someone else, planned it out and executed them, you have crossed the line between human and monster.

What if it was 1940, and we spent a lot of time and money organizing and carrying out an assassination of Hitler? Are we still monsters?

No. Hitler was also a murderer, or at least he set up quite a few murders, and thus he is a monster as well. And killing a monster is fine by my watch.

So murder is okay, as long as the person you're murdering is also a murderer? And then it's okay for someone to come along and murder you right back.
This seems like it would very quickly spiral out of control.

I never said that. Murder is killing in cold blood, and if you do that, you have to be seperated from society, perhaps by being killed. I don't like killing iin any form, but if it must be done, it must be done. Hitler, however, was someone who didn't deserve to live. eleven million overall murders, buddy. He's an extreme, and you should never use extemes as an example. If it were up to me, murderers would be kept in cells for the rest of their lives, and if neccesary, killed as humaneley as possible.

 

[Flight]

I believe whether the murder in question is forgivable largely depends on the circumstances surrounding the act.

 

[Sinspiration]

I know only this much. There's only one person who'll never be able to forgive a murderer without paranormal intervention.

And that would be the one they murdered.

 

[retyopy]

I know only this much. There's only one person who'll never be able to forgive a murderer without paranormal intervention.

And that would be the one they murdered.

Well put, well put indeed. But they're dead, so it doesn't matter, does it?

 

[Sinspiration]

I know only this much. There's only one person who'll never be able to forgive a murderer without paranormal intervention.

And that would be the one they murdered.

Well put, well put indeed. But they're dead, so it doesn't matter, does it?

Why would we bother to call some-one a murderer in the first place if the dead don't matter?

 

[Reman Khaar]

There's no way for you to ever fully understand the thought processes of someone who truly believes that he has to murder another human being unless you've been there, but you can easily look at any number of first degree murder cases where the murderer was a victim of extensive mental and physical abuse to the point where he/she just -knew- without a shadow of a doubt that there was no way to escape except by ending their abusers life, and that's just a single example of a circumstance where a planned murder is forgivable or even acceptable.




Edit: I saw someone suggesting that keeping murderers locked inside of a cell for their entire life is a great punishment. Guess who pays for that? The tax-payers. We end up paying for their food, their plumbing, their electricity.. everything. Do you know how much money is spent yearly on resources for inmates in prison? It's disgusting.

 

[Shotgunjack1880]

That is a huge grey area. Depends on why they did it, plain and simple. I don't think it's wrong to kill people generally anyways, if you have a good reason behind it. Is it wrong to kill a known pedophile, rapist, or sociopath? No, it is not. It helps out society as a whole and should be more than tolerated.

Personally, I think anyone who doesn't get there shit together after 3 felonies should be executed regardless of the crime. You obviously want only to harm the other people you find yourself in contact with on a daily basis.

You are the wolf(bad guy) that hunt the sheep(general population). I am the sheepdog(you figure out what that means), and I don't care if you live the rest of your life. You do not belong in society and you only aim to prey on the weak and defenseless.

So, no, I some cases I'm actually for murder.

 

[Banana Cannon]

One thing I'll remember from Bleach, possibly the only thing I'll remember besides Tite Kubo's obsessive and idealistic fascination with a woman's body like most manga artists, is this line. "As soon as you're in the fight, you know you're in the wrong." This leads me to believe that all people with violent tendencies, in either thought or action, have to take the responsibility and understand that killing someone is the end product of most fighting arts.

To commit murder through conventional violence or sneaky assassination with the full intent of believing good will come of it solely for you is the unforgivable act that literally defines you as conventionally evil.

Doing it by accident, in a moment you don't see coming and in a punch that shouldn't have killed him/her if it weren't for that edge on the counter, this kind of incident leaves the person responsible open for seeking redemption, but again you have to realise that to fight puts us in the wrong. Human beings, I think, shouldn't fight each other for any other cause than to get stronger and to understand that we are our own downfall, through learning how far we're willing to go to overcome the opponent, and knowing when to simply stand against him in the hopes of becoming equal in terms of skill.

 

[The Night Shade]

when someone kills innocents it unforgivable but someone who kills criminals or evil people i'm totally ok with it

 

[Kindberg]

Hitler murdered a lot of people.
Can we stop a lot of murdering by trying murdering him?
If yes, then it justify murdering him.

Jew here.

No, your logic is flawed. The only way to be able to do what you have posited is to have known before hand that Hitler was going to do what he did, or perhaps to travel back in time. either way, unlikely.

I believe that the only justification for killing, at all, is in defense of your own life ro the lives of others, and even that only when it is absolutely necessary. I would not have killed Hitler, I would have captured him and left him to rot in a prison for the rest of his miserable existence. When you give in to vengeful thoughts, and say that you can justify killing because of someones actions or behavior, you sink to their level. I am against capital punishment because the idea of "If you kill someone, we will kill you back" is so utterly ridiculous and juvenile that any rational person should reject it. That is the mentality of a fucking third grader.

I don't know why you talk about time travel? I tried to justify murder in war-situation. The war took 5 years and I am quite sure people didn't think Hitler was going to stop himself. Some german soldiers had to be murdered, right? Thus some people had to go too war too stop him. You also talk about capturing Hitler instead of killing him, I guess we both know, none of those two things happen (suicide). But do you by that also suggest every german solder should have been captured instead of murdered? I think that is impossible and by that I am third grader. But you will be more naive than a third grader.

Your phrase "If you kill someone, we will kill you back" is not my logic, I am against death penalty (hope thats the right word, Im not english).

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Of course they can be forgiven. People don't kill because they're "evil", there's no such thing. It's just a way for people to justify actions they do not understand. Be it that they have a mental illness, it was an accidental killing or just killed because they were hired to do so there are a lot of reasons why people kill and you can't judge them based on that.