I said no, but I don't like the in-your-face fabulous LGBTs. That said I have yet to get to know one so I'll have to wait before cementing my opinion.
Poll: Are you Homophobic??
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I have a few friends who are gay/bi. One time my friend and his boyfriend started making out because they enjoy making people in the room uncomfortable (their fun like that) so it started to go from funny to annoying so I started throwing small objects at them. Someone accused me of being homophobic. I had to explain that I wasn't homophobic, I do the same thing to straight couples too. It's not a hate thing, it's a "If I can't be happy no one can" kinda thing. I'm kind of an ass hole to couples when I'm single, but then again, couples are annoying.
I'm bi, so it'd be confusing and not make sense for me to be homophobic.
I don't care about people's sexuality, you are what you are. However, I dislike people who define themselves by their sexuality, whether straight, gay, or anything inbetween. Your sexuality shouldn't define you, and if you have to have it that way, I worry that you must not have many other interesting defining features to your personality.
I don't care about people's sexuality, you are what you are. However, I dislike people who define themselves by their sexuality, whether straight, gay, or anything inbetween. Your sexuality shouldn't define you, and if you have to have it that way, I worry that you must not have many other interesting defining features to your personality.
Okay... Not to sound offensive, but that argument makes no sense at all.Dags90 said:I hope you'd say the same thing to an infertile heterosexual couple, or a disabled person who want's to use "unnatural" things in order to function. I mean, nature clearly doesn't think paraplegics should move.Arqus_Zed said:(although I must admit that the 'gay couples having children' bit is still something I'm divided about. I've got no problem with gay marriage - hell, it's your funeralBut the concept of gay parents is something else. If you like the other sex better, then so be it, it's who and what you are. But if you're not willing to stick it to the other sex, well, then that's just nature's way of saying: "Euhm, nope, sorry, kids are a present/burden I can't really give you.")
I'm talking about the way our universe works.
You, on the other hand, are comparing a couple that can't have children by an unfortunate twist in nature to a couple that just isn't meant to have children. Because existence, nature, whatever - didn't provide the combination of the set entities with the tools needed for reproduction. Comparing the bad luck of certain couples with the way another type of couple is meant to work just doesn't add up.
There are people who, sadly enough, must deal with the errors of a flawed universe. A straight couple is MEANT to bear children, but somewhere, something went wrong. Same goes for a disabled person.
When a gay couple can't get children, it's just COMMON SENSE. I mean, nobody's gonna go : "Oh my, you can't have children? What happened? Are you infertile?"
You get it now?
So you would object if I wanted to adopt a child who's parents had died? I mean, for the kid it's natures way of saying 'dawg you dead' if you've got no parents at a young age.Arqus_Zed said:As long as the male gays stay out of my ass,
It's aaaaaaalllllll right.
(although I must admit that the 'gay couples having children' bit is still something I'm divided about. I've got no problem with gay marriage - hell, it's your funeral
OT: I've got no homophobic views, I think they should have every equality straight people do, however when a minority of gay people push for things that they shouldn't then it irritates me no end. Like that petition for forcing people to hire a % of homosexual people.
I think a big problem is that some people ARE bigoted against gays but they have no idea that what they're doing is bigoted. There's more to it than seething hatred.
The classic example is guys who simply cannot understand that making comments that are along the lines of 'because you're a lesbian I'm going to put you in my lesbian fantasies and now I'm telling you about it' are in fact bigoted. Or telling a gay woman she can't be gay because she likes baking pie or telling a gay man he can't be gay because he's not a fashionista.
My favorite one that I get (I fall into the lesbian category) is telling me that I can't be gay because I'm 22 and am still a virgin. Also that my non-religious chastity ring is a lie (it says 'if you want to get into my pants you have to vow eternity'). Because clearly gay and slut are mutually inclusive.
Sorry to turn this into a mini-rant, but these people are FAR more irritating than the people who openly hate. Particularly the 'putting you in my fantasies' guys because CLEARLY they can't be homophobic because they have all the versions of Girls Gone Wild at home! Objectifying me clearly isn't bigoted at all. Assholes.
The classic example is guys who simply cannot understand that making comments that are along the lines of 'because you're a lesbian I'm going to put you in my lesbian fantasies and now I'm telling you about it' are in fact bigoted. Or telling a gay woman she can't be gay because she likes baking pie or telling a gay man he can't be gay because he's not a fashionista.
My favorite one that I get (I fall into the lesbian category) is telling me that I can't be gay because I'm 22 and am still a virgin. Also that my non-religious chastity ring is a lie (it says 'if you want to get into my pants you have to vow eternity'). Because clearly gay and slut are mutually inclusive.
Sorry to turn this into a mini-rant, but these people are FAR more irritating than the people who openly hate. Particularly the 'putting you in my fantasies' guys because CLEARLY they can't be homophobic because they have all the versions of Girls Gone Wild at home! Objectifying me clearly isn't bigoted at all. Assholes.
a little bit. i knew a gay guy once last year in school. i didn't figure out he was gay until the day he told me like 6 months after knowing him. he was one of those normal everyday kind of gay guys. you know he acted like me and he looked like me. he wasn't like a Bruno or anything. but after telling me i was pretty weirded out. we haven't talked since i don't think. pot makes me forgetful lol
Oh hey! Exactly what I was raging against in my post!Nouw said:
You are still a bigot if you do crap like this. You're objectifying the IDEA of lesbians while not accepting actual homosexuals. You are far, FAR more irritating that the super-religious haters could EVER hope to be. For them I just roll my eyes. Your comments make me sick.
I'll admit, I'm a homophobe... But then again, look at it this way: Lesbians are always cool to hang out with since their like one of the guys. Gays are just a very maculine powder puff that act as feminine as possible and they try to rub off as much of it on everyone as possible. So don't say anything because I look at them as a slight
pain in the @$$. no pun intended...
pain in the @$$. no pun intended...
I suppose it matters where the defining line is, I guess. I've had doubts over my own sexuality before, which makes things morally trickier, but it usually seems to settle on the straight-but-kinky-enough-to-experiment-(once) level.
If being slightly grossed by two regular guys (or worse, muscular models) making out or gettin' it on counts, then ok... i'm mildy HP.
If it requires doing anything about it, from the level of telling them to cut it out - when you might not have done so with a straight couple (hey, it's not always the most comfortable thing to have ANY pair playing tonsil hockey in front of you) - then, no. I'm happy to live and let live. People can do things that make me squirm, but if it's not harming anyone or anything, well, leave them to it.
Got enough acquaintances of various kinds (friend, colleague, other... and probably family) who are gay, lesbian or bi (and i think - but have no way of proving, and wouldn't be crass enough to ask - trans in at least two cases, one in each direction) to not be able to afford to be an asshole about it anyway. They're just people. The way straight relationships work is a big enough pointer to the fact that you can't help who you love.
There's a line between prejudice and discrimination after all, and that is either carrying out, modifying or NOT carrying out a certain action because of your inbuilt bias. You can feel biased towards persons of a different race because of your upbringing, but if you're able to intellectualise that, realise why you feel that way, and be self disciplined enough to not act like a dick regardless of your reflexive feelings, you don't end up expressing it as racism. Not swinging the other way and ending up with an awkward expression of "white guilt" or the like is another, but related matter.
((All that said, i can't quite understand the very mincing gay types who seem to act like over-the-top drag queens but without the makeup or dress. Guess it's just one more personality type on the spectrum, but it does seem a bit wierd to pretty much turn yourself into a cartoon character that way. Still, blank mask of professionalism))
If being slightly grossed by two regular guys (or worse, muscular models) making out or gettin' it on counts, then ok... i'm mildy HP.
If it requires doing anything about it, from the level of telling them to cut it out - when you might not have done so with a straight couple (hey, it's not always the most comfortable thing to have ANY pair playing tonsil hockey in front of you) - then, no. I'm happy to live and let live. People can do things that make me squirm, but if it's not harming anyone or anything, well, leave them to it.
Got enough acquaintances of various kinds (friend, colleague, other... and probably family) who are gay, lesbian or bi (and i think - but have no way of proving, and wouldn't be crass enough to ask - trans in at least two cases, one in each direction) to not be able to afford to be an asshole about it anyway. They're just people. The way straight relationships work is a big enough pointer to the fact that you can't help who you love.
There's a line between prejudice and discrimination after all, and that is either carrying out, modifying or NOT carrying out a certain action because of your inbuilt bias. You can feel biased towards persons of a different race because of your upbringing, but if you're able to intellectualise that, realise why you feel that way, and be self disciplined enough to not act like a dick regardless of your reflexive feelings, you don't end up expressing it as racism. Not swinging the other way and ending up with an awkward expression of "white guilt" or the like is another, but related matter.
((All that said, i can't quite understand the very mincing gay types who seem to act like over-the-top drag queens but without the makeup or dress. Guess it's just one more personality type on the spectrum, but it does seem a bit wierd to pretty much turn yourself into a cartoon character that way. Still, blank mask of professionalism
))In every group there's a minority making the rest of us look bad. This isn't something gay people are doing, it's stupid people. Quotas are about the most bigoted thing there is. Thus why I never signed up for any gay scholarships to school.Pilkingtube said:
Heck no. i have a quite a few gay/lesbian friends and they are just as great as my straight ones. I just don't like it if a gay/lesbian tries to force their view onto me. I guess the same could be said for straight people as well.
I only really know 2 gays, one was my best mate, the other's an asshole.
i have no problem with gays
i have no problem with gays
There's no such thing as homophobia. A phobia is a legitimate psychological problem which causes irrational fear. If someone was truly homophobic, they would be too terrified to get near anyone gay.
Homophobia is just a word to make bigots sound more justified. It's much easier for people to skim over "I'm homophobic" than it is to skim over "I hate gay people."
Homophobia is just a word to make bigots sound more justified. It's much easier for people to skim over "I'm homophobic" than it is to skim over "I hate gay people."
No, being a bi-dyke that would be kind of stupid. I hate people for who they really are as a person.
"Forcing their lifestyle on me?" STFU - being queer is not a 'lifestyle' which implies choice for one thing. Heterosexuality and that 'lifestyle' is everywhere, in media, on the streets, its inescapable. You want a 'lifestyle' forced on you, try having someone tell you that you shouldn't be gay, that it's wrong, you're going to hell, you're fine as long as you don't kiss your girl in public and don't tell everyone you're gay because straight people don't do that.
"Forcing their lifestyle on me?" STFU - being queer is not a 'lifestyle' which implies choice for one thing. Heterosexuality and that 'lifestyle' is everywhere, in media, on the streets, its inescapable. You want a 'lifestyle' forced on you, try having someone tell you that you shouldn't be gay, that it's wrong, you're going to hell, you're fine as long as you don't kiss your girl in public and don't tell everyone you're gay because straight people don't do that.
A little, if people could act reasonably then fine, they can be gay or lesbian or whatever, but I feel a little "disturbed" by the stereotypical gay people, the ones that say things like oooooh gaaawwd that's faaaabulouuuussssssss and say everything with lisps and , not to be rude and I don't mean it in an offensive way, act more like girls than girls. if you understand what I'm trying to say.
Not all gays are flamboyant. Not all gays are feminine either. In fact, most of the time you wouldn't even notice, hence why we have this business about having to "come out" as gay.TwitchierGuitar said:
Yes, I find flamers annoying. But please don't judge a whole group of people for the most vocal majority.