Poll: Avatar - Who did you root for

[Littaly]

Sokka, man he was awesome

... oh you mean the other Avatar?

 

[Assassin Xaero]

We all regret that, which is why I think we wouldn't treat the Na'vi the same way we treated the Native Americans. As for the unobtanium we needed the minerals for our economy, and therefor our species to survive. Besides that even if we didn't taking over Na'vi would allow for us to build a galactic empire and make the world better for everyone. Mass Effect Anyone. The unobtanium itself would just get the humans started on bigger projects. Once Pandora was depleated (which would probably take 1000 years) they could expand to other planets.

While I see the point that you are trying to make that, as a futuristic society, it would make sense that the Humans would try to learn from our mistakes and make an honest effort to prevent them; however, human nature never changes and so the likelihood we would treat them the same as Native Americans is very unlikely.

On top of that, I would think that Pandora would not be the humans to claim. yes they were the ones to discover the mineral in question, but I would think it would be within the Na'vi's right to defend their home and way of life from the company trying to strip their lands; after all, who knows what the lack of that mineral could do to planet and ecosystem.

I understand the Na'vi's right to the land. But I still side with the humans because as one I don't want them to die out. And also all the other things I said.

if you don't like the ending here's a better ending

curse you! I just spent around an hour watching every video on that sight!

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...

Obviously not wanting your world's economy to crash and forcing everyone to live in squalor is greed.

Ok, so going by what you are saying, if the American economy plummets due to lack of oil, it is perfectly ok for them to go off and kill everyone in another country and destroy their homes just to get that oil? Yes, putting your WANTS for something to sell over someone elses SURVIVAL is greed.

Well they didn't want to kill the Na'vi the humans wanted to sort things out peacefully. The Na'vi were the agressors.

Would you steal food to feed your family?

No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. I would find a way to support them. So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive.

What if you couldn't support them? Would you just let them die?

You didn't answer my question.
Ok, so I fuck myself over and can't feed my family. How does that make it ok for me to steal? Because I made stupid choices doesn't give me the right to do anything. How does it? When my car breaks down, I'll be sure to come find you at steal yours because I need want a car and it is perfectly in my right to take yours since it is "key for my survival" (*cough* easy way out *cough*).

What you're saying is true, but that's not the issue here. We're already in the situation. Would you steal food to feed your family?

Dude, seriously, can you read? No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. And you still have yet to answer my question. Are you just going to keep saying "would you steal food" until I say yes to 'prove you right' to satisfy your ego or something?

Wait, no... I after rereading the question and giving it some thought (my family = metaphor for imperialistic greedy pricks that fucked up their planet because they were too busy being greedy to try to solve their problems logically the American government), yeah, if I couldn't find a way to support them I would let them die. Fuck this country.

Alright in that case this is largely a sense of individual values, and we're not going to get anything done by arguing about it. (I still have tons of other more scientific reasons but if you don't like humanity then they don't have the same affect on you).

EDIT: If technologically advanced Na'vi were invading earth for the same reasons though, I think I would sympathize with them, because I would never want to see a species go extinct.

And you still haven't answer my question, go figure.

 

[Antitonic]

I was just waiting for Gargamel to show up, and try and turn them all to gold.

 

[acosn]

Neither. Movie was stupid, and somewhere in between insulting and merely underwhelming when you consider how many years got put into it.

Find good actors? Good writers? Good dialogue? Fuck no, we'll dazzle them with effects and let the rest fall into the b-movie dumpster that most Scifi runs to at full speed.

 

[Alon Shechter]

I hated them all.
Humans were jerks, Navi were RACISTZ!
I was on the side of the creatures of Pandora, because they keep trying to kill everyone.
FTW!

 

[Terminate421]

Badass helicoptors win.

 

[WorldCritic]

I'm gonna say Glados just because in the actual movie I didn't root for anyone.

 

[Jedoro]

Okay, you've got a point on the resources thing, but nowadays we can at least come up with a bullshit reason for invading, like going to war against terrorism.

And I actually did enlist. I had a contract with a $40,000 bonus in the Infantry, and I had Airborne School and Ranger Indoctrination Program guaranteed. As in, I would've walked out of Infantry OSUT and stepped into Airborne School next door, no questions asked, and then gone straight into the Rangers right after. But, I didn't like the level of obedience required, so I got out before I finished OSUT. It's hard, but not impossible.

Soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are hunting terrorists, not people who just want to be left alone. They're killing people who are actively trying to kill them and anyone else who doesn't believe what they do; quite different than a war for profit. Yeah, there's most likely some profit involved for the higher-ups, but at least the grunts have a legit reason to be there.

Ever heard of Blackwater? Yeah, government contracted, but not government controlled. Even today, there are private corporations that might as well be infantry units, but they're not under government control except for having to obey the law, like everyone else. If you get the right licenses, it's absolutely possible to have people that well-armed under private control.

No hard feelings, man, just debating our opinions.

That's really cool that you enlisted. I'm hoping to do Air Force ROTC to be a pilot with the boys in blue.

Yeah, I totally support the our troops and the rest of the coalition soldiers. But people can get scared and make mistakes, accidents happen, and more people get hurt than just the terrorists. That's gonna happen when the enemy hides among civies. And yeah like I said, our boys sure as hell aren't fighting for the money.

I have heard of organizations such as those. The way I see it is, in real life they would be sending the real-deal government forces for something as big a deal as what happened in Avatar. But hey, who knows what the future might hold. If humanity could unite as one planet rather than all the countries, who knows how military affairs would be handled.

I'm actually doing Army ROTC to see if I'd like to go back in as an officer this time around, but I'm still not sold on it.

If Unobtanium or whatever it's called was vital to humanity's survival, they'd probably send a whole damn fleet in right when they found it, but as long as it's something merely for-profit the companies will have to get their own security.

 

[Chunko]

We all regret that, which is why I think we wouldn't treat the Na'vi the same way we treated the Native Americans. As for the unobtanium we needed the minerals for our economy, and therefor our species to survive. Besides that even if we didn't taking over Na'vi would allow for us to build a galactic empire and make the world better for everyone. Mass Effect Anyone. The unobtanium itself would just get the humans started on bigger projects. Once Pandora was depleated (which would probably take 1000 years) they could expand to other planets.

While I see the point that you are trying to make that, as a futuristic society, it would make sense that the Humans would try to learn from our mistakes and make an honest effort to prevent them; however, human nature never changes and so the likelihood we would treat them the same as Native Americans is very unlikely.

On top of that, I would think that Pandora would not be the humans to claim. yes they were the ones to discover the mineral in question, but I would think it would be within the Na'vi's right to defend their home and way of life from the company trying to strip their lands; after all, who knows what the lack of that mineral could do to planet and ecosystem.

I understand the Na'vi's right to the land. But I still side with the humans because as one I don't want them to die out. And also all the other things I said.

if you don't like the ending here's a better ending

curse you! I just spent around an hour watching every video on that sight!

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...

Obviously not wanting your world's economy to crash and forcing everyone to live in squalor is greed.

Ok, so going by what you are saying, if the American economy plummets due to lack of oil, it is perfectly ok for them to go off and kill everyone in another country and destroy their homes just to get that oil? Yes, putting your WANTS for something to sell over someone elses SURVIVAL is greed.

Well they didn't want to kill the Na'vi the humans wanted to sort things out peacefully. The Na'vi were the agressors.

Would you steal food to feed your family?

No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. I would find a way to support them. So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive.

What if you couldn't support them? Would you just let them die?

You didn't answer my question.
Ok, so I fuck myself over and can't feed my family. How does that make it ok for me to steal? Because I made stupid choices doesn't give me the right to do anything. How does it? When my car breaks down, I'll be sure to come find you at steal yours because I need want a car and it is perfectly in my right to take yours since it is "key for my survival" (*cough* easy way out *cough*).

What you're saying is true, but that's not the issue here. We're already in the situation. Would you steal food to feed your family?

Dude, seriously, can you read? No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. And you still have yet to answer my question. Are you just going to keep saying "would you steal food" until I say yes to 'prove you right' to satisfy your ego or something?

Wait, no... I after rereading the question and giving it some thought (my family = metaphor for imperialistic greedy pricks that fucked up their planet because they were too busy being greedy to try to solve their problems logically the American government), yeah, if I couldn't find a way to support them I would let them die. Fuck this country.

Alright in that case this is largely a sense of individual values, and we're not going to get anything done by arguing about it. (I still have tons of other more scientific reasons but if you don't like humanity then they don't have the same affect on you).

EDIT: If technologically advanced Na'vi were invading earth for the same reasons though, I think I would sympathize with them, because I would never want to see a species go extinct.

And you still haven't answer my question, go figure.

What was your question again?

 

[demoman_chaos]

I was amused when teh humans started winning. "Finally," I thought, "The good guys don't win." And then the animals come out of nowhere and pwn everybody and my amusement went away.

If only the humans used purpose-built combat mechs instead of utility ones for battle. Imagine how poorly a hammerheaded rhino thing would fare against something like a MechWarrior Daishi or Madcat? How would the dragon-esque things fare against something like a fighter jet instead of a slew of helictopers (or an Imperial TIE Fighter)? At least the should have used combat heli's instead of transport ones (that is like sending a Chinook to do an Apache's job).

All and all, James C. doesn't know how a military op really works.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

We all regret that, which is why I think we wouldn't treat the Na'vi the same way we treated the Native Americans. As for the unobtanium we needed the minerals for our economy, and therefor our species to survive. Besides that even if we didn't taking over Na'vi would allow for us to build a galactic empire and make the world better for everyone. Mass Effect Anyone. The unobtanium itself would just get the humans started on bigger projects. Once Pandora was depleated (which would probably take 1000 years) they could expand to other planets.

While I see the point that you are trying to make that, as a futuristic society, it would make sense that the Humans would try to learn from our mistakes and make an honest effort to prevent them; however, human nature never changes and so the likelihood we would treat them the same as Native Americans is very unlikely.

On top of that, I would think that Pandora would not be the humans to claim. yes they were the ones to discover the mineral in question, but I would think it would be within the Na'vi's right to defend their home and way of life from the company trying to strip their lands; after all, who knows what the lack of that mineral could do to planet and ecosystem.

I understand the Na'vi's right to the land. But I still side with the humans because as one I don't want them to die out. And also all the other things I said.

if you don't like the ending here's a better ending

curse you! I just spent around an hour watching every video on that sight!

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...

Obviously not wanting your world's economy to crash and forcing everyone to live in squalor is greed.

Ok, so going by what you are saying, if the American economy plummets due to lack of oil, it is perfectly ok for them to go off and kill everyone in another country and destroy their homes just to get that oil? Yes, putting your WANTS for something to sell over someone elses SURVIVAL is greed.

Well they didn't want to kill the Na'vi the humans wanted to sort things out peacefully. The Na'vi were the agressors.

Would you steal food to feed your family?

No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. I would find a way to support them. So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive.

What if you couldn't support them? Would you just let them die?

You didn't answer my question.
Ok, so I fuck myself over and can't feed my family. How does that make it ok for me to steal? Because I made stupid choices doesn't give me the right to do anything. How does it? When my car breaks down, I'll be sure to come find you at steal yours because I need want a car and it is perfectly in my right to take yours since it is "key for my survival" (*cough* easy way out *cough*).

What you're saying is true, but that's not the issue here. We're already in the situation. Would you steal food to feed your family?

Dude, seriously, can you read? No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. And you still have yet to answer my question. Are you just going to keep saying "would you steal food" until I say yes to 'prove you right' to satisfy your ego or something?

Wait, no... I after rereading the question and giving it some thought (my family = metaphor for imperialistic greedy pricks that fucked up their planet because they were too busy being greedy to try to solve their problems logically the American government), yeah, if I couldn't find a way to support them I would let them die. Fuck this country.

Alright in that case this is largely a sense of individual values, and we're not going to get anything done by arguing about it. (I still have tons of other more scientific reasons but if you don't like humanity then they don't have the same affect on you).

EDIT: If technologically advanced Na'vi were invading earth for the same reasons though, I think I would sympathize with them, because I would never want to see a species go extinct.

And you still haven't answer my question, go figure.

What was your question again?

"So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive." Yah copy/paste.

 

[the rye]

He who controls the spice controls the universe...oops wrong film
yeah i voted for humans

Yeah humans were pretty much portrayed as disney villains, the problem with Avatar was that it was so densely black and white. Ok the soldiers in avatar reminded me of how the british and germans portayed each other in WW1. As these blood thirsty in humane cruel monsters.

 

[crouchingtigress01]

We all regret that, which is why I think we wouldn't treat the Na'vi the same way we treated the Native Americans. As for the unobtanium we needed the minerals for our economy, and therefor our species to survive. Besides that even if we didn't taking over Na'vi would allow for us to build a galactic empire and make the world better for everyone. Mass Effect Anyone. The unobtanium itself would just get the humans started on bigger projects. Once Pandora was depleated (which would probably take 1000 years) they could expand to other planets.

While I see the point that you are trying to make that, as a futuristic society, it would make sense that the Humans would try to learn from our mistakes and make an honest effort to prevent them; however, human nature never changes and so the likelihood we would treat them the same as Native Americans is very unlikely.

On top of that, I would think that Pandora would not be the humans to claim. yes they were the ones to discover the mineral in question, but I would think it would be within the Na'vi's right to defend their home and way of life from the company trying to strip their lands; after all, who knows what the lack of that mineral could do to planet and ecosystem.

I understand the Na'vi's right to the land. But I still side with the humans because as one I don't want them to die out. And also all the other things I said.

if you don't like the ending here's a better ending

curse you! I just spent around an hour watching every video on that sight!

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...

Obviously not wanting your world's economy to crash and forcing everyone to live in squalor is greed.

Ok, so going by what you are saying, if the American economy plummets due to lack of oil, it is perfectly ok for them to go off and kill everyone in another country and destroy their homes just to get that oil? Yes, putting your WANTS for something to sell over someone elses SURVIVAL is greed.

Well they didn't want to kill the Na'vi the humans wanted to sort things out peacefully. The Na'vi were the agressors.

Would you steal food to feed your family?

No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. I would find a way to support them. So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive.

What if you couldn't support them? Would you just let them die?

You didn't answer my question.
Ok, so I fuck myself over and can't feed my family. How does that make it ok for me to steal? Because I made stupid choices doesn't give me the right to do anything. How does it? When my car breaks down, I'll be sure to come find you at steal yours because I need want a car and it is perfectly in my right to take yours since it is "key for my survival" (*cough* easy way out *cough*).

What you're saying is true, but that's not the issue here. We're already in the situation. Would you steal food to feed your family?

Dude, seriously, can you read? No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. And you still have yet to answer my question. Are you just going to keep saying "would you steal food" until I say yes to 'prove you right' to satisfy your ego or something?

Wait, no... I after rereading the question and giving it some thought (my family = metaphor for imperialistic greedy pricks that fucked up their planet because they were too busy being greedy to try to solve their problems logically the American government), yeah, if I couldn't find a way to support them I would let them die. Fuck this country.

Alright in that case this is largely a sense of individual values, and we're not going to get anything done by arguing about it. (I still have tons of other more scientific reasons but if you don't like humanity then they don't have the same affect on you).

EDIT: If technologically advanced Na'vi were invading earth for the same reasons though, I think I would sympathize with them, because I would never want to see a species go extinct.

Sweetie you are right that this is mostly a battle of values, but Human history has shown time and again that Humans never change and rarely learns from their mistakes no matter how advanced they become (just look it up and you'll see).

That being said, I would like to see these scientific reasons you claim to have because I haven't seen much other then the "Mass Effect claim for world peace" you talked about.

 

[Berethond]

Mich4elle Rodriguez. I was more rooting for her since she was easily more badass then anyone else in the movie besides Jake. xD

She was definitely my favorite character.

Actually, she was the only character I liked in the whole movie.

Really? Have you seen any of her other movies? I want to see Machete when it comes out!

I haven't seen any of her other movies, I'm afraid. I'm not really big on movies.

 

[molesgallus]

I was wondering if anyone else rooted for the humans in avatar?

[HEADING=2]Here's my reason for siding with the humans:[/HEADING]
I took this from another one of my forum posts

Spoiler

I agree. I always thought that the Na'vi were being arrogant and unreasonable. Humanity was offering them a lot and they refused. Humans were out there for there own survival and the Na'vi would not be diplomatic. That gave them only one option. The humans didn't care about exterminating the Na'vi, just surviving.

Jake Sully specifically was a jerk. Aside from showing no emotion he damned his own species. In addition to this he was hurting the Na'vi as well. If he had not united them maybe like twelve aliens would have died. Instead hundreds perished, both human and Na'vi. I'm sure that after the mining had been set up Na'vi would have been forced to negotiate with humanity, and maybe they could be uplifted from their primitive society.

In addition to this I quite frankly did not like any of the aliens. The only characters who stuck out to me were humans. I liked the executive and the macho military guy (I can't remember their names, sue me). On a really shallow level I didn't like the movie which made me immune to its propaganda.

Okay wow there's been 29 views and no posts. can you PLEASE qualify your opinions.

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

EDIT: Nevermind, thank you Hubilub.

In reality, I would have rooted for the humans. For no other readon than they would have had nukes, lasers, awesome orbital weapons systems, and other impossibly dangerous stuff. However, they didn't have any of that in the movie because it would have ruined the narrative, a bit. And shortened the movie, to about the length of the credits.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

missed that one

 

[Brad Shepard]

I was pulling for the white lotus, and there fire bending... wait, what avatar are we talkinga bout again?