Poll: Avatar - Who did you root for
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Holy F-, Did any of you even watch the damn movie?
Are you all daft?
THE PLANET WAS ALIVE AND DECIDED TO GET ALL THE CREATURES ON ITS SURFACE TO RID ITSELF OF A FOREIGN INFESTATION.
It wasnt about Humans or Navi being right or wrong, infact, from the planet's point of view, they are both little infestations on its surface. It just so happens that the planet was nice enough to talk to the Navi because they took the time to listen, unlike the humans who are too busy jerking off and posting on their facebook walls, having their make believe social lives to stop to consider that maybe not all life forms need water bags for survival. Yes, infact, some life forms might even be gigantic nucleic shaped spheres that float in the void.
Lol, some of the topics that get raised on this website really make me see how close mindedly dumb most humans are. You all got a long way to go before you little shit throwing ants will ever traverse the void, let alone the void between the galaxies.
Are you all daft?
THE PLANET WAS ALIVE AND DECIDED TO GET ALL THE CREATURES ON ITS SURFACE TO RID ITSELF OF A FOREIGN INFESTATION.
It wasnt about Humans or Navi being right or wrong, infact, from the planet's point of view, they are both little infestations on its surface. It just so happens that the planet was nice enough to talk to the Navi because they took the time to listen, unlike the humans who are too busy jerking off and posting on their facebook walls, having their make believe social lives to stop to consider that maybe not all life forms need water bags for survival. Yes, infact, some life forms might even be gigantic nucleic shaped spheres that float in the void.
Lol, some of the topics that get raised on this website really make me see how close mindedly dumb most humans are. You all got a long way to go before you little shit throwing ants will ever traverse the void, let alone the void between the galaxies.
The movie was designed to make the Na'vi appear innocent and to portray the "good guys." And overall, I suppose the Na'vi's cause was the correct one. HOWEVER, I hated them so much they were unbearable. My fellow Escapists, this is why I rooted for the humans. They were badass, had mechs and mini helicopter type things, and overall were less irritating than the Smurfs. I do not like the humans because they are correct, I am just not a fan of some hippy treehumping space Smurfs, so I am perfectly happy seeing their little tree house burn to the ground. Any questions?
The Na'vi were arrogant and unwilling to even try to make any sort of deal, I couldn't sympathize with them when all I know about them is that they're a bunch of stubborn tree huggers without any regard for technological advancement. Not even medicine or advanced means of fire making. They came off as more xenophobic and ignorant than anything else. And they don't even consider that the newcomers might have something to offer.
And as for the ending (although this has nothing to do with anything), what the Hell? One base gets destroyed, and all the humans get sent running back to Earth? They couldn't, I don't know, build another base somewhere else? That thought never even occured to them once? The Na'vi had bows and animals while the humans had enough big futuristic guns to blow up the entire planet if they so choosed to. And when the Na'vi's home gets blown up, one guy rides a bird and a bunch of blue kitty-cats can destroy the most powerful and technologically advanced things on the planet. I could go on, but I'm afraid I'd take up the entire thread.
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And as for the ending (although this has nothing to do with anything), what the Hell? One base gets destroyed, and all the humans get sent running back to Earth? They couldn't, I don't know, build another base somewhere else? That thought never even occured to them once? The Na'vi had bows and animals while the humans had enough big futuristic guns to blow up the entire planet if they so choosed to. And when the Na'vi's home gets blown up, one guy rides a bird and a bunch of blue kitty-cats can destroy the most powerful and technologically advanced things on the planet. I could go on, but I'm afraid I'd take up the entire thread.
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They only would have to have moved away from the tree a small amount of time for the humans to mine a side shaft under the tree so that they would not harm it and when they were finished they could fill in the hole and let them come back to the stupid tree.
And that my friends (and morons) how you blow apart a crappy movie's plot and reassemble it into a more boring but immensely less stupid story.
And that my friends (and morons) how you blow apart a crappy movie's plot and reassemble it into a more boring but immensely less stupid story.
GAAAHHHHH TO HELL WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!
What if this "unobtanium" could be used to power a fusion reactor that would
power a massive air purifier that would make the air clean enough so that reforestation projects would work, or maybe I'm just being naive and believing in the good nature of humanity.
NO BLUE KITTY PEOPLE GOOD HUMANS BAD, KITTIES LIKE NATURE AND TREES YAAAAYYYYYY!
What if this "unobtanium" could be used to power a fusion reactor that would
power a massive air purifier that would make the air clean enough so that reforestation projects would work, or maybe I'm just being naive and believing in the good nature of humanity.
NO BLUE KITTY PEOPLE GOOD HUMANS BAD, KITTIES LIKE NATURE AND TREES YAAAAYYYYYY!
@thecake66: youre retarded! the tread-heads in that movie DONT CARE that they can do it,and they probably cant obtain the unobtainium without damaging the tree with their clumsy mining equipment.
Personally I found what little bit of the film I tried to watch such a slog I wasn't backing anyone's corner.
Because I'd joined in about a third of the way through I had no idea why the humans were there, apart from to tear down sacred woodland and be over dicks (Y'know like humanity always does in these situations.) and the aliens seemed just overly dismissive towards any kind of diplomacy.
So really, from the little I saw, both sides were dicks, sure the humans are depicted as such in a clearer way, but I'm so used to that now that it doesn't even matter to me.
So I voted for Glados.
Because I'd joined in about a third of the way through I had no idea why the humans were there, apart from to tear down sacred woodland and be over dicks (Y'know like humanity always does in these situations.) and the aliens seemed just overly dismissive towards any kind of diplomacy.
So really, from the little I saw, both sides were dicks, sure the humans are depicted as such in a clearer way, but I'm so used to that now that it doesn't even matter to me.
So I voted for Glados.
In case this wasn't stated before, Jake Sully never told the Na'vi about what the corporation was after until *after* the deadline. Also, I found it hilarious that it took a white guy in Na'vi clothing to save the natives from the humans. Very "white man's burden".
Also, there really should've been a sequel, called "Avatar 2: The humans come back and nuke from orbit". Because that is what we do.
Also, there really should've been a sequel, called "Avatar 2: The humans come back and nuke from orbit". Because that is what we do.
Read my comments, please.Juk3n said:
Also it wasn't skin color that determined those peoples loyalty it was the fact that they were human, and that (in the movie) odds are the entire human race would die if we lost.
Still there always was a diplomatic solution to the problem that the Navie would not accept.
And no they would not have to have destroyed the tree to get the plotdevicium!
No, because if the used expensive precision mining equipment they would still profit 100sanguinator said:
fold and save humanity.
And odds are they had it on hand because the Navie could have chosen a diplomatic solution that would've allowed that. IF THEY WERE NOT GIANT DOUCHEBAGS!
The Humans, because they are my team. Plus the Na'vi just struck me as a propaganda engine, everything about them was some fucking message about something. Although part of me always hates the "one with nature" species in any sci fi work and wants to see them and their magic forests burned alive by the technolgy race that had to develop machines because they never had forest magic to protect and coddle them and to whom the forestkin or whatever been giving the "holier than thou" routine for years. I know they are usually the good guys, but typically they are only vindicated because of their magicks or spirits. Realistically, Pandora would not have saved the Na'vi, they would have fought and died alone.
You can use them to make kickass air purifiers, that also would allow reforestation projects work,teisjm said:
and also warp drives that would go faster and allow us to find other planes and terraform them quicker. so maby that justifies the price or y'know we could just leave the douchebag hippie cats alone and die miserably.
Let's get back to the "Native American metaphor fighting the American Military metaphor [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbhrz1-4hN4]" (wouldn't both sides be American Military, because the natives where Americans. In fact the native military would be more american, because they've been there longer.)
There was superstition and ignorance along with plenty of legitimate reasons for dread on both sides. However, the british colonies would have failed without the assistance of the natives.
Had James Cameron approached the story from that angle, he would have had a much more interesting and nuanced plot. But he just had to reduce it to the lowest common denominator and fill it with Operation Iraqi Freedo- I mean Genocide references. (Saddam "Gas Em'" Hussien = Eytukan!!?? ... really?)
There was superstition and ignorance along with plenty of legitimate reasons for dread on both sides. However, the british colonies would have failed without the assistance of the natives.
Had James Cameron approached the story from that angle, he would have had a much more interesting and nuanced plot. But he just had to reduce it to the lowest common denominator and fill it with Operation Iraqi Freedo- I mean Genocide references. (Saddam "Gas Em'" Hussien = Eytukan!!?? ... really?)
flaws in that theory.TheCake66 said:
1. Strip mining is so much more profitable. sure you could build a mine shaft under the tree, or hell, you could even tunnel mine it from a safe and secure spot from several miles away having little to no influence on them or the tree. but the problem is That is Less Profitable.
the Movie built it so that the humans represented all that is wrong with capitalist war corperations that care only for their profit margins.
2. you speak of this tree as if it has no importance. but you are wrong. it is a Central hub for communications, trade, and living. It has massive stratigic value and heavy religious connotations.
effectively, it is like asking us to simply Abandon New York City just so some company can drill for oil in Central park...
3. Why would they listen to the short sighted and destructive as humans?
what have the humans proved they can do so far? dig holes, destroy forest, destroy land, produce pollution, and kill shit left and right.
that isn't exactly a steller resume' to trust.