Poll: Avatar - Who did you root for

[Grayjack]

Humans. That commander was a bad ass. The Na'vi pissed me off.

 

[TheCake66]

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I agree. I always thought that the Na'vi were being arrogant and unreasonable. Humanity was offering them a lot and they refused.
Just because you offer alot of something to someone and they refuse, doesn't mean you're being "Arrogant and unreasonable".
Humans were out there for there own survivalNo, they were out there for profit. Find me a source for your "Survival theory"and the Na'vi would not be diplomatic. That gave them only one option.
No it didn't The humans didn't care about exterminating the Na'vi, just surviving.Yes to the first point, no to the latter, again source?

Jake Sully specifically was a jerk. Aside from showing no emotion he damned his own speciesSource? You seem to be adding your own story here.
In addition to this he was hurting the Na'vi as well. If he had not united them maybe like twelve aliens would have died. Instead hundreds perished, both human and Na'vi. I'm sure that after the mining had been set up Na'vi would have been forced to negotiate with humanity, and maybe they could be uplifted from their primitive society.
Those hundreds perished because the Humans blasted the home tree because the Navi wouldn't leave so they could mine.
Didn't really think this argument through did you?

In addition to this I quite frankly did not like any of the aliens. The only characters who stuck out to me were humans. I liked the executive and the macho military guy (I can't remember their names, sue me). On a really shallow level I didn't like the movie which made me immune to its propaganda.

I sided with the Na'vi, humanity was only there to fill in the role of "relatability". Had it been some other alien race, nobody would have given a shit however it made us look on ourselves.

Well I do agree with you on the last bit, and i was making up a little bit of story, but i think it was somewhat justified because the movie's plot was a pile of crap.

Also the plotdevicium was supposed to be some sort of super conductor that would power my
sources for the "survival theory".
Not only that but they wouldn't have to destroy the tree if they used precision equipment,
Which they probably had.

 

[TheCake66]

Well if anyone was entertained by my spamming of comments, sorry because I'm all burnt out,
no more flaming for me tonight.

Maybe,maybe...

 

[Pyro Paul]

How many times do I have to say this to you people!
Why would the price be so high? Because there is a high demand for it, such as saving humanity you git!

says a person that has no real clear concept of supply and demand.

why would the price be so high, because supply is so low.
it can have absolutely no real world value at all, but still a low supply plus any kind of demand would generate a very high price point regardless.

case in point-
Gold.
per pound it has a net worth well above $15,000.
gold has no practical real world use.
every single thing gold does another metal does near as well for a fraction of the cost. gold is a simple soft metal which, outside of being Pretty and Hard to find, has absoutly little real advantage.

 

[Jezzascmezza]

Glados said she'd make me a cake, so I voted for her.

 

[Lyri]

Well I do agree with you on the last bit, and i was making up a little bit of story, but i think it was somewhat justified because the movie's plot was a pile of crap.

Also the plotdevicium was supposed to be some sort of super conductor that would power my
sources for the "survival theory".
Not only that but they wouldn't have to destroy the tree if they used precision equipment,
Which they probably had.

A little bit?

You pretty much twisted the story on it's head & shoe horned your own events in there.
Granted the plot was utter wank, but the plot wasn't really the point but how the characters evolved around the scenario.
That story has been told plenty of times before and will be again, we only pay attention for the characters.

The tree was fucked from the off; They were asking the Na'vi to leave home tree entirely and secondly, it's a tree. You go do some mining under a tree, lemme know how you deal with the roots and what happens to the tree.
So, no.

 

[Chunko]

We all regret that, which is why I think we wouldn't treat the Na'vi the same way we treated the Native Americans. As for the unobtanium we needed the minerals for our economy, and therefor our species to survive. Besides that even if we didn't taking over Na'vi would allow for us to build a galactic empire and make the world better for everyone. Mass Effect Anyone. The unobtanium itself would just get the humans started on bigger projects. Once Pandora was depleated (which would probably take 1000 years) they could expand to other planets.

While I see the point that you are trying to make that, as a futuristic society, it would make sense that the Humans would try to learn from our mistakes and make an honest effort to prevent them; however, human nature never changes and so the likelihood we would treat them the same as Native Americans is very unlikely.

On top of that, I would think that Pandora would not be the humans to claim. yes they were the ones to discover the mineral in question, but I would think it would be within the Na'vi's right to defend their home and way of life from the company trying to strip their lands; after all, who knows what the lack of that mineral could do to planet and ecosystem.

I understand the Na'vi's right to the land. But I still side with the humans because as one I don't want them to die out. And also all the other things I said.

if you don't like the ending here's a better ending

curse you! I just spent around an hour watching every video on that sight!

Why did everyone root for the Na'vi?

Because the humans were imperialistic, greedy pricks. They wanted to destroy the Na'vi land and take whatever that thing was just to sell it for money. That is like watching District 9 and siding with the douche before he has his change of heart... err... grows a heart...

Obviously not wanting your world's economy to crash and forcing everyone to live in squalor is greed.

Ok, so going by what you are saying, if the American economy plummets due to lack of oil, it is perfectly ok for them to go off and kill everyone in another country and destroy their homes just to get that oil? Yes, putting your WANTS for something to sell over someone elses SURVIVAL is greed.

Well they didn't want to kill the Na'vi the humans wanted to sort things out peacefully. The Na'vi were the agressors.

Would you steal food to feed your family?

No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. I would find a way to support them. So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive.

What if you couldn't support them? Would you just let them die?

You didn't answer my question.
Ok, so I fuck myself over and can't feed my family. How does that make it ok for me to steal? Because I made stupid choices doesn't give me the right to do anything. How does it? When my car breaks down, I'll be sure to come find you at steal yours because I need want a car and it is perfectly in my right to take yours since it is "key for my survival" (*cough* easy way out *cough*).

What you're saying is true, but that's not the issue here. We're already in the situation. Would you steal food to feed your family?

Dude, seriously, can you read? No, I wouldn't, because stealing is wrong. And you still have yet to answer my question. Are you just going to keep saying "would you steal food" until I say yes to 'prove you right' to satisfy your ego or something?

Wait, no... I after rereading the question and giving it some thought (my family = metaphor for imperialistic greedy pricks that fucked up their planet because they were too busy being greedy to try to solve their problems logically the American government), yeah, if I couldn't find a way to support them I would let them die. Fuck this country.

Alright in that case this is largely a sense of individual values, and we're not going to get anything done by arguing about it. (I still have tons of other more scientific reasons but if you don't like humanity then they don't have the same affect on you).

EDIT: If technologically advanced Na'vi were invading earth for the same reasons though, I think I would sympathize with them, because I would never want to see a species go extinct.

And you still haven't answer my question, go figure.

What was your question again?

"So, say you and your family have a house. You lived there for a long time and love it. Now some people come along and say they want your house and you have to leave, and if you don't they will kill you. Would you just get up and leave because they needed the house you have? I mean they are just trying to survive." Yah copy/paste.

If they offered more than adequate compensation, then yes.

 

[Bruin]

The Indians.

 

[SalamanderJoe]

The Fire Nation.

 

[blackflare]

navi im more of a wild ani.......... person but i believe violence dosent lead anywhere thats good. But i will fight for what i believe in but not for profitable gain.

 

[Bruin]

navi im more of a wild ani.......... person but i believe violence dosent lead anywhere thats good. But i will fight for what i believe in but not for profitable gain.

Every man who fights fights for gain, what separates a soldier from a mercenary is how he views himself.

The Vikings raided each others' villages and killed people who we would consider innocent. They did it for plunder. They also did it to eat, because the land where they lived was so inhospitable.

 

[arcstone]

Original poster, I will answer your question with

BATTLEMECHS.


I think I've made my position clear.

 

[No_Remainders]

The movie was all about looks; and nothing else.
As I didn't enjoy the movie; my main wish was for the nearest star to go supernova at the end and kill them all.
Sadly it didn't happen.

 

[Breaker deGodot]

Personally, I don't know how anyone could side with the humans. The film obviously sided with the Na'vi, and the humans where almost all depicted as greedy pricks.

 

[blackflare]

Personally, I don't know how anyone could side with the humans. The film obviously sided with the Na'vi, and the humans where almost all depicted as greedy pricks.

Truely it kinda shows how greedy most people are people always want MORE than they truely need.

 

[Duffeknol]

Humanity is meant to rule over or exterminate all filthy xenos.

 

[AfterAscon]

I watched this for the first time last night and thought it was an enjoyable movie, but I just cannot see why people could root for the Humans. All of them, except the ones who helped the Na'vi, were portrayed as twats of the highest order. They were all the type of people which makes you lose hope in humanity.

For people not understanding why they wouldn?t cooperate, it would be almost like asking the Israelis to leave Jerusalem just because we wanted something under the city in trade for an unlimited supply of halal meat. Their history and culture is so intrinsically link to that region they would never leave an important area for something of zero value to them.

 

[Sinclair Solutions]

I voted for GLADOS, simply because every other group were annoying, boring douche bags. The Na'vi were the typical Native American stereotype that we have seen before. Fine the first time in Pocahontas, boring now. And the humans were almost cartoonishly evil. That general was a dick for the sake of being a dick.

 

[blackflare]

kinda like oil no offense