Poll: Bad parents are to blame: why?

[buckythefly]

Here is my two cents, I believe it is society, but not in the traditional way. Society has been forcing kids to grow up faster and faster, girls get pregnant younger, guys become fathers before their ready. Most situations like this lead to parents attempting to balance their old lives, partying, or gaming, or whatever with their new full time responsibilities, Where as in the past parents who had children generally were older, and more prepared to give up their own social lives to purely provide for their children. And, this spiral has just been repeating itself, children born of parents with continued self interest will have children and raise them in the same manner as their parents.

 

[Custard_Angel]

I refuse to vote on this because there are just too many things to consider.

Good parents are capable of raising little brats while at the same time, horrible abusive parents have raised (or not raised rather) great kids who turn in to fine upstanding people. To a point parenting comes into play, as does society, but at the end of the day its all up to the kid.

Any child can ignore the habits of their parents, good or bad. Its up to the child to decide what is right and wrong for themselves. Parents should be there to help the kids make the right decisions, but at the end of the day the kids will absorb only what they want to absorb.

Summary:
- Parents are important, as is society.
- Kids decisions are the final decisive factor.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

People are bad parents, because they don't want to PARENT. You know, enforce guidelines and punish their children when they do something that goes against those guidelines. People are too worried about upsetting their children, because they want to be the "Best Friend." This is the closest video that I could find on the matter, even though it might not be spot on.

Man, that girl just got owned by Dr. Phil. For once, I agree with the cheering crowd.

On-topic, I chose the 3:2 option, because I believe that parents should have more influence on their child than general society, but I chose the wrong option. Looking at the way my brother acts around certain friends vs how he normally acts, society may have a bigger influence.

However, the parents do still have the duty to teach their children right and wrong. parents need to not only discipline their child, but set an example for them as well. Just to give you an example, I live in a small town, with a population of 29,000. So the problems I'm describing are probably worse in a large city. The main ones I can think of is the fact that my mom is transferring my brother to a private school because she doesn't approve of the morals parent's seem to report (for example, parents mistaking the Lost and Found for the Salvation Army). Also, my brother ended up seeing Saw at a sleepover because the parent on duty there didn't try to control what movies her son was watching. An (at the time) pair of 7-year-olds watching Saw. Lovely.

 

[VeX1le]

Parents influence kids as so they yell the kids will gain that habit (like me) habits and little traits stick with the kids. while bad parenting is a factor the decision is the kids and if they see their parents acting a certain way for a while they will grow up that way. well thats it for me i guess.

 

[Hazy]

can't parents be both friendly and deciplinry at the same time? (

Of course parents can be nice and disciplinary, infact, that's a great find. IF they can balance it out. I.e. bonding and becoming close with their children, while still maintaining a parenting stature and enforcing guidelines.

 

[kawligia]

Society certainly has an influence on children, but it's the parents job to keep their kids on track anyway.

Saying society is to BLAME for anything is like blaming the streets when a kid is killed by failing to look both ways before crossing. The streets were certainly involved, but it was the PARENT'S failure that was the MAIN cause.

 

[JWAN]

Look, the parents need to be parents and the kids need to listen. Society can't be controlled and you cant blame everything on other people you whole life (that goes for "Society" as well).

Take some responsibility.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I was going to make an argument, but realised that it would be redundant after reading this.

 

[JWAN]

People are bad parents, because they don't want to PARENT. You know, enforce guidelines and punish their children when they do something that goes against those guidelines. People are too worried about upsetting their children, because they want to be the "Best Friend." This is the closest video that I could find on the matter, even though it might not be spot on.
(Let me just go on the record by stating: I do not like Dr. Phil. If anything, just watch the introduction to this. Specifically the part where she states "I don't know how to stop her from actually doing it." Simple solution: No car, no phone, nobody dies. Easy.)

There are things that mom could do
lock up the keys and take away her phone, OR make her pay the bill and the car payments and the tickets.

That ***** needs to get a 2*4 across the back of her head.
thanks for posting that video, I needed to vent lol

 

[JWAN]

I blame the law for not being tough enough.
It's Time To Crack Down On You Bitches!

^ this

if we want to get out of debt so bad we would push tickets up by $20 and see how far that affects it.

$20 * however many tickets are distributed every day (the ticket IS the warning, don't let people get away with a verbal warning)

Lets say 10,000 tickets are given out every day, (that's a low shot) that translates to $200,000 a day (at a $20 hike, I would like to see them jack up every ticket by $45, including "Warnings"), 73,000,000 a year and I bet 10,000 tickets are handed out per state (minimum)and so times that by 50 and that means you could get three billion six hundred fifty million a year. That would take out a decent chunk and with stupid people driving we could probably get the debt totally gone within 100-150 years. (12 trillion is a LOT )

 

[Pimppeter2]

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Or a good bonce to the face. I mean seriously, my parents would not only take away my phone and car for repeatedly smashing into things, they would open up a can of woopass. Or at least make me pay for it.

Parents like this are idiotic. When my brother went 150 dollars over the limit on texting, my father took his phone away until he payed it back, and then some.

 

[Phenakist]

Parents without jobs shouldn't have children, better a child going to a home where it can be brought up by a capable family. I mean if you can't hold up a job how can you be expected to raise a child properly?

Parents that perhaps have been disabled physically would be the exception, a child helping to look after someone from a young age would make them very responsible and a great asset to any company in the future.

Society isn't completely innocent, the widely and casually references to sex and drugs are insane, not directed to young children obviously but the off chance they see anything that raises children, and they are curious and want to try everything, this thought could carry on for years to come. Just a thought of course but that would make sense.

I got brought up the old fashioned way, plenty of discipline, routine, earning any extra's like games and stuff the only times I was handed anything on a "silver platter" was my birthdays call me boring or whatever but I don't drink, smoke, do drugs etc. but I've got an awesome girlfriend and a nice career in the future so whats wrong with that?

 

[Collymilad08]

I don't think that "bad kids" are the result of only bad parenting. In my opinion it's a combination of parents, the state and...wait for it - the kids themselves!! Shocker than on, eh?

In the UK at least: You do have bad parents, some are just bad whilst others are encouraged to act badly by the state, with incentives for things that aren't really good for society i.e. having 15 kids. The state has also taken a lot of power away from parents. I know the goody goody brigade thinks you should burn in hell for even thinking that kids need a smack sometimes, but they do. Many kids were smacked and if it's within reason (like most of it was) it actually helped with discipline, now kids know they can't be touched - they can't even be told to shut up - so where's the threat and therefore the incentive to stop behaving badly? Some people think you should just try and talk to them but lets be realistic it rarely works.

I also think part of the way kids are now is because there's a climate of "boo-hoo we are so hard done by life is crap and there's nothing to do" I hate to break it to you but there are generations of kids that have gone through worse and they didn't turn to antisocial behaviour and stabbing to amuse themselves instead. But then it's just another indicator of society today where we think we are entitled to everything.

Society does influence children, but I'm sorry the parent has the power to do more and blaming "society" is just a major copout, at the end of the day no-one is directly responsible for how your kid turns out except you (except in extreme cases of course) The way it works today is that no-one has personal responsibility, so it suits these bad parents just fine because people blame society and other things, and so things will never change.

 

[Silly_Billy]

Aren't parents part of society?

I voted 3:2 because I think a great parent can help a kid strive in a dystopia and a horrible parent can cause the next Son of Sam.

 

[jboking]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

 

[captainwolfos]

Around my area are terrible parents who have too many kids for them to look after, and yet are still having more.

The reason? These parents are 14 year old whores. The kids' bastard offspring are little ratbags who like to pick fights with people four times their size, and when they're actually acknowledged to be doing something wrong, they're either doped up with sugar or shouted at by their effing and blinding parents until they're blue in the face and the opt for the sugar.

The reason for parenting becoming worse is that these kids aren't even out of school and don't know how a brain works, never mind some form of contraception. And the thing which really annoys me is the fact when a kid has a kid, instead of telling them off for breaking the law (underage sex!!!), they throw money and houses at them. That being the ONLY reason they have kids in the first place, because it's easier than getting a job.

So yes, it all comes down to lazy uneducated kids.

 

[Tarakos]

Well, our society has definitely taken a wrong turn somewhere along the line. But I see a lot of parents that need to grow a pair and stand up to their ultra-violent or spoiled child infulenced by mature stuff he shouldn't be playing/watching anyway. Stuff that their parents shouldn't have bought him in the first place. It's like a never-ending loop.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

It depends on a case by case basis. Your parents can be awesome and your social life might be horrible or vice versa and there's no clear way to say which way you'll swing in either case. Right?

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

Pehaps but there are or at least seem to be more bad parents these days.

 

[iron codpiece]

I call bias.
I mean, have you considered the possibility it's NEITHER!? Sometimes a kid is just plain bad. Some parents try hard but the kid is still a turd.

Or maybe even MENTAL ILLNESS?