Poll: Bad parents are to blame: why?

[brainfreeze215]

well hey, sometimes the kids are just f'd in the head, so that plays a part.

 

[Dr Ampersand]

I blame society ENTIRELY! Why? Is it the lack of physical discipline or the children-can't-do-bad brigade?! Partly. But the main factor is the lack of coal mines. Think about it, your child get an ASBO? Coal mines. Child throw a party while you were away on a business trip? Coal mines. Child screams at you and smacks you for taking away their phone? Destroy that phone with your bare hands! Followed by coal mines.

Coal mines will help the economy as well as giving the children work experience, discipline and a life long reminder of why not to piss their parents off( in the form of irrepairable damage done to their lungs due to the low number of safety measures implemented).

Too many people say " No my poor little baby can change, give them one more chance! Don't send them to the coal mines! It's an inhumane punishment!" Well listen up! Your "poor little baby" lost their chance when they got drunk and started to piss on police officers and the elderly so they deserve it! Besides, it's not like any child has ever died in coal mines; well, none that I can think of at the top of my head.

On a more serious note, I think it is the whole children-can't-do-bad brigade and lack of physical discipline. Also like others have said, parents seem to use TV's as a babysitter. The previous coal mine post was just a nice little joke.

 

[Danzaivar]

All this crap empowering youths and everything on TV showing independent kids ignoring their parents and are always right probably has an impact. And these days parents want to be 'friends' with their kids and so don't want to get on their bad side.

So on one hand you have kids who think they don't need to listen to their parents, combined with parents who don't know how to show discipline or aren't willing to. Or at least not to the same effect that parents had many a year ago.

So I blame both society and parents, slightly more parents simple because they should know better and if they do then they can marginalise the effect it has on the kids. During my time growing up I definitely noticed your parent(s) have a huge impact on your personality and where you end up.

 

[US Crash Fire]

"I don't know how to stop her from actually doing it." .)

this is why people should need a licence to have children which involves a mandatory course with a set passing score for a written test at the end of the course and refresher classes every 5 years.

FEMALES: if you get pregnant before getting a licence you must attend before the term of pregnancy is up or you lose your child to the state.

MALES: if you get a female pregnant and do not atend the course before the term of pregnancy is up, or repeated unauthorized breeding will result in sterilization.

...this has opressive government movie written all over it.

 

[seongjun]

If anything I would have said that parents should be playing a larger role than society and friends. I.E. kids should be asking the parents "Is this bad or no?" Ok, sure sometimes they will just absorb it and not even tell/show the parents, but even then.

Guidelines and rules must be set, sure it can be broken, but they should be taught that breaking them will incite suffereing. Annoyance to pain suffering.

Now, suffereing might just be a tad over the top, but come on when we were growing up exactly what counted as suffering then? Going to bed without one last show of Cartoons or Going to sleep Hungry?

I also Agree with everyone who has mentioned the kids thinking they are Entittled Twat Donkeys and Should be Reminded that "Everything you have currently Aside from the Love, the Food and Shelter we provide is NOT a Right, its a privilidge" (sorry for any spelling errors before hand)

Still I do think that parents managing a decent and comforting environment is still needed.

As for the "Goody Goody Brigade" Bringing their Views into Laws probably did not hear this quote so I will be using CAPS to Simulate me Shouting it in their ears: THE LAW IS A CRUDGEL, A HAMMER, A BLUNT TOOL! IT CAN NOT BE USED TO DO SURGICALLY PRECISE WORK GOOD PARENTING CAN ACCOUNT FOR!!!

Also I am actually quite interested in US Crash Fire's Idea, So Why not Anyone with Criminal Backgrounds with Anger and Drinking issues be obstructed from having kids? Like Red Tape it off and if they want a child that bad they can get off their drunk ass to get a job sober up and actually get shit preped to bring the kid up competently.

Also the education is a very good idea, Who here was actually given a conversation by their parents about how to raise a kid and actually managed to make their own choices in that matter? Cause I got the lecture, I toke notes and thought about which make the most sense now.

As for Underaged Teens getting impregnated or Impregnating others? Force them to Abort, UNLESS They can demonstrate that both the Male and Female, can provide and are in the mental and social position to do raise their offspring. Also I keep wondering why the US still has not adopted the early Fetus removal and instead kept the 3 month old fetus removal method. I mean the latter is more dangerous to begin with for the parent and the method being very sickening brutal.

However I Am getting off topic, what I wanted to say was good parenting should be the priority and society should be playing a lesser role.

Whoops forgot about what if the Kid is Deranged / turd. Well, I would think that they should be set straight up and told "Evil / Bad is called that for a reason, and if you are going to continue in this method We will end it." Then not give any conclusion to what they will do that way kid would be scared of doing something bad, but the conclusion being open ended leaves plenty of room for the parent to bend the punishments into that one phrase.

 

[joshthor]

i say its even. my parents were very good and i feel im a reflection on that. however, i do alot of things that they dont do such as watch r rated movies and play violent video games which i say are societys fault, not that its really a bad thing.

 

[Ygfi]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

 

[Ygfi]

I don't think that "bad kids" are the result of only bad parenting. In my opinion it's a combination of parents, the state and...wait for it - the kids themselves!! Shocker than on, eh?

In the UK at least: You do have bad parents, some are just bad whilst others are encouraged to act badly by the state, with incentives for things that aren't really good for society i.e. having 15 kids. The state has also taken a lot of power away from parents. I know the goody goody brigade thinks you should burn in hell for even thinking that kids need a smack sometimes, but they do. Many kids were smacked and if it's within reason (like most of it was) it actually helped with discipline, now kids know they can't be touched - they can't even be told to shut up - so where's the threat and therefore the incentive to stop behaving badly? Some people think you should just try and talk to them but lets be realistic it rarely works.

I also think part of the way kids are now is because there's a climate of "boo-hoo we are so hard done by life is crap and there's nothing to do" I hate to break it to you but there are generations of kids that have gone through worse and they didn't turn to antisocial behaviour and stabbing to amuse themselves instead. But then it's just another indicator of society today where we think we are entitled to everything.

Society does influence children, but I'm sorry the parent has the power to do more and blaming "society" is just a major copout, at the end of the day no-one is directly responsible for how your kid turns out except you (except in extreme cases of course) The way it works today is that no-one has personal responsibility, so it suits these bad parents just fine because people blame society and other things, and so things will never change.

if you read my OP, i'm keeping kids out of the equation, that would be for another poll.
but anyway, so you're saying that parents are getting worse because they think they can blame society more and more?

 

[Ygfi]

I call bias.
I mean, have you considered the possibility it's NEITHER!? Sometimes a kid is just plain bad. Some parents try hard but the kid is still a turd.

Or maybe even MENTAL ILLNESS?

i've seen kids acting up like little eejits and their parents just sitting there doing nothing, this actually encourages the kid to be a little twat. kids being naturally evil is in fact vary rare, and only caused by mental problems.
that's off-topic anyway, kid's are out of the equation for now.

well hey, sometimes the kids are just f'd in the head, so that plays a part.

kids who are F'd in the head can still be helped...
you leave a kid out in the yard and they decie to kill the kitten? smack the kid a hard one over the arse to teach 'em that killing things is not allowed. if you just let the little bugger get away with it, the kid's gonna grow up with some messed up values.


i've also notised that only a few people have really been on topic talking about why parents are getting so shit. i probly should have figured this would happen when i put in the poll...

 

[Godavari]

Parents aren't getting worse, you are percieving them differently. Personally, I think that most kids are fine - the bad ones are just more noticable.
But talking about the average idiot, I'd say it's 80% parents' fault. Media ceratinly can have a bad influence, but it's the parents that give their child access to that media.

 

[londelen]

A bad society influences parents to be baddies, which influences society to be worse, which makes the baddie parents get even worse, and bring more into the fold.

 

[jboking]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

How many more people are there now than in the old days?

 

[MasterSqueak]

People are bad parents, because they don't want to PARENT. You know, enforce guidelines and punish their children when they do something that goes against those guidelines. People are too worried about upsetting their children, because they all want to be the "Best Friend."

I kinda agree with this. It seems that parents today seem to have forgotten that they're disciplinarians first and friends later (If they even want to be friends. I've always kinda looked down on the "cool parents" because who the hell wants to be friends with a kid?)

What's wrong with kids?

I'm friends with a few on Live.

 

[Ygfi]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

How many more people are there now than in the old days?

proportionally. as in, if there used to be 4 good parents for every good one, there's now only 2 (example numbers, don't use them for anyhing).


there's been a large rise in many small crimes on a proportional basis and it's almost always to do with young people.

 

[jboking]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

How many more people are there now than in the old days?

proportionally. as in, if there used to be 4 good parents for every good one, there's now only 2 (example numbers, don't use them for anyhing).


there's been a large rise in many small crimes on a proportional basis and it's almost always to do with young people.

I think this can be a very case by case thing. I lived in two different places when I was a kid, a trailer park and then the suburbs. In the trailer park there were at least 4 horrible parents that I knew of, even though I was only 5. Now that I live in the suburbs I couldn't point out any bad parents. Most of the young kids here are behaved. The worst I've seen is just one kid who thinks he is entitled to fucking EVERYTHING. I don't think it has increased, but rather that they are starting to migrate to similar areas. So if you live near them, it seems like there are thousands of them.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

People are bad parents, because they don't want to PARENT. You know, enforce guidelines and punish their children when they do something that goes against those guidelines. People are too worried about upsetting their children, because they want to be the "Best Friend." This is the closest video that I could find on the matter, even though it might not be spot on.
(Let me just go on the record by stating: I do not like Dr. Phil. If anything, just watch the introduction to this. Specifically the part where she states "I don't know how to stop her from actually doing it." Simple solution: No car, no phone, nobody dies. Easy.)

She's to ditzy to be driving anyway.

 

[Ygfi]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

How many more people are there now than in the old days?

proportionally. as in, if there used to be 4 good parents for every good one, there's now only 2 (example numbers, don't use them for anyhing).


there's been a large rise in many small crimes on a proportional basis and it's almost always to do with young people.

I think this can be a very case by case thing. I lived in two different places when I was a kid, a trailer park and then the suburbs. In the trailer park there were at least 4 horrible parents that I knew of, even though I was only 5. Now that I live in the suburbs I couldn't point out any bad parents. Most of the young kids here are behaved. The worst I've seen is just one kid who thinks he is entitled to fucking EVERYTHING. I don't think it has increased, but rather that they are starting to migrate to similar areas. So if you live near them, it seems like there are thousands of them.

from what i've seen, different areas have different problems, but they're all getting worse.
the school i used to go to, most kids were eejits, but they were doing more and more stupid/dangerous/etc things.
now i'm at a much better school but i'm seeing the levels of stupidity pass on too quickly. mind you, schools really don't account for much, there too much varyation, i could call on my cousin's school for "emo bashing" but... i just did.

 

[Ygfi]

also, even if it's case by case, i'd be interested to know why it's happening...

 

[jboking]

You seem to be implying that parents today are somewhat worse than the parents of the past.

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that bad parenting is a timeless tradition.

I'd have to agree with this. It's not like we as a society suddenly forgot how to be a parent, and it's not like annoying bitchy children who have never experienced discipline didn't exist 50 years ago. We were just a little harsher with how we fixed the problem back then.

it's a proportional increase. there's getting more and more bad parents then there used to be. in the old days, there'd only be a few around, but now days i think there's at least twice as many.

How many more people are there now than in the old days?

proportionally. as in, if there used to be 4 good parents for every good one, there's now only 2 (example numbers, don't use them for anyhing).


there's been a large rise in many small crimes on a proportional basis and it's almost always to do with young people.

I think this can be a very case by case thing. I lived in two different places when I was a kid, a trailer park and then the suburbs. In the trailer park there were at least 4 horrible parents that I knew of, even though I was only 5. Now that I live in the suburbs I couldn't point out any bad parents. Most of the young kids here are behaved. The worst I've seen is just one kid who thinks he is entitled to fucking EVERYTHING. I don't think it has increased, but rather that they are starting to migrate to similar areas. So if you live near them, it seems like there are thousands of them.

from what i've seen, different areas have different problems, but they're all getting worse.
the school i used to go to, most kids were eejits, but they were doing more and more stupid/dangerous/etc things.
now i'm at a much better school but i'm seeing the levels of stupidity pass on too quickly. mind you, schools really don't account for much, there too much varyation, i could call on my cousin's school for "emo bashing" but... i just did.

You're getting older right? Isn't it possible that there is a wider degree of stupidity for you know than there was back then. Also, "emo bashing" often times doesn't relate back to the parents of large number of kids, but rather just a small few who work wonders with peer pressure. I can't think of any parents who are telling their kids, "Emo's deserve your hatred." Of course, emo bashing also occurs more often at the high school level, which is when kids start to decide for themselves who they are, no matter if their parents like it or not.

I still stand by the belief that there are no more bad kids now than there were 18 years ago.

Oh, and you may find this interesting: Truer words my friend... [http://xkcd.com/603/]

 

[feather240]

Punishment shouldn't be done for justice. Instead punishment should be done to teach. You don't hit a kid because he did something wrong, you do it so he won't do it again.