Poll: banned from America , is this fair?

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DanielDeFig

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ALuckyChance said:
Of course it's not fair, but I still find this hilarious.

DanielDeFig said:
Ummmm...how come this specific email got attention? Im sure lots of ppl would like to send hate mail to Barack Obama (just like all leaders), its just that this kid actually got a hold of his email address, and actually did it. Considering he was drunk, it may not actually be that hard, most ppl probably just think its a stupid idea to go through with such pointless urges.

And what right does the US government have in banning a Britt, who sent an email from the UK?
Note that just becuase he is a British citizen, does not mean he has diplomatic immunity. All that occurs is that he isn't allowed to go to America; the American government - and I believe any government - can have full control over who goes in or out, if it's an individualized case.
You are absolutely correct, and as someone who grew up moving around the world with parents working for an embassy, i should know that better than most ppl. It still seems unfair that a government you had no say in coming to power, still has the power to tell you where you can and can't go. With The current international system, an elected racist government could potentially have the power to ban all black (or maybe white?) ppl from their country. How is that fair?
 

Treblaine

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CobraX said:
Treblaine said:
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jbchillin said:
lol he's British he has no freedom of speech.
Let Me Fix This:

Lol He`s American, He has no freedom of speech.
Canadian detected.

(lives next door to USA, has no idea about the UK but thinks because we share a monarch there is any kind of kinship now)
For the record I`m a Canadian who belongs to a British family. Although also for the record England is a rather nice place, but I don`t want to live there anymore than I would the states.

PS - You and your Clever little comment can fuck off.
Swear all you like... but don't make presumptions on what freedoms we Brits do or do not have, you don't know what you're talking about, except have your own prejudices towards the USA warp your perception of other countries.

A fundamental issue in the UK is legally we have no Right to freedom of speech (distinct from just another law), only stated intent with no actual legal framework. Inevitably double standards and injustices flourish if not outright oppression. You wouldn't know, you don't live here. I perceive a major problem is we have no comprehensive constitution and bill of inalienable rights of the individual.
 

rebus_forever

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ravensheart18 said:
On the OP, as I'm sure someone already pointed out, he didn't just call the president a prick, he used "threatening language". That's grounds for a ban. Visiting a foreign country is a privillege, not a right, why would they let in someone who was threatening their leader?


many many many times, but pointing it out again cant hurt : P
 

rebus_forever

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Treblaine said:
CobraX said:
Treblaine said:
CobraX said:
jbchillin said:
lol he's British he has no freedom of speech.
Let Me Fix This:

Lol He`s American, He has no freedom of speech.
Canadian detected.

(lives next door to USA, has no idea about the UK but thinks because we share a monarch there is any kind of kinship now)
For the record I`m a Canadian who belongs to a British family. Although also for the record England is a rather nice place, but I don`t want to live there anymore than I would the states.

PS - You and your Clever little comment can fuck off.
Swear all you like... but don't make presumptions on what freedoms we Brits do or do not have, you don't know what you're talking about, except have your own prejudices towards the USA warp your perception of other countries.

A fundamental issue in the UK is legally we have no Right to freedom of speech (distinct from just another law), only stated intent with no actual legal framework. Inevitably double standards and injustices flourish if not outright oppression. You wouldn't know, you don't live here. I perceive a major problem is we have no comprehensive constitution and bill of inalienable rights of the individual.
i think in a generally reasonable society an unwritten constitution guided by principles is possibly a more efficient system than a strictly worded constitution in an unreasonable country, im not saying England is reasonable or America not just suggesting that an unwritten constitution isnt an end to freedom.
 

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Mornelithe said:
Jedoro said:
Hey, people have done worse things while drunk, so I'm not too surprised. As for the list, I'm sure the people who ban the visitors have enough time on their hands to think up reasons to ban them for.
LoL, dunno about you, but I've been all types of trashed in my day, and never once did I get it into my head that sending a hatemail to the President would be amusing heh.
Yeah, my one time getting trashed led to me blacking out, and waking up over a toilet... mid-vomit.

Good times, no?
 

Treblaine

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rebus_forever said:
i think in a generally reasonable society an unwritten constitution guided by principles is possibly a more efficient system than a strictly worded constitution in an unreasonable country, im not saying England is reasonable or America not just suggesting that an unwritten constitution isnt an end to freedom.
And "unwritten constitution" (beyond being an insulting oxymoron) means Parliament has absolute power.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

John Dalberg-Acton - 1870

And "Unwritten constitution" is only vague protection, secret power, constantly changing power and it of course will always be to the benefit of its "author". The PM can pronounce anything as being consistent with the "Unwritten Constitution" and no one could possibly prove his argument wrong.

It's a logical fallacy to ascribe significance to this imaginary document gives Carte Blanche to politicians in justifying their power, as they can imply it to mean anything!

Far better we realise our perilous situation, that the Law-makers are laws unto themselves, that there are so few democratic checks or balances. This is the job the media has had to bear, hardly the ideal entity(s) for the job but they are all we have got.

Freedom of speech is a privilege in the UK, a popular privilege with limited protection under law but NOTHING inhibits government from restricting it. No rights at all.

What a constitution is, is laws AGAINST the government that even even they must abide by when they make laws and when they try to apply them. One thing is blazingly obvious in Iraq and Afghanistan democracy alone is not enough, when it is backed by a poor constitution.
 

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Lol if i would pay tay in the US I would slightly get pissed that actually anyone wastes my taxmoney to pick up the phone and even start something because someone called the president a prick... OMG America is sick (no everyone but a good few...)

MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME cry FBI dude... seriously get a life.
 

paragon1

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Is this reaction excessive? Maybe. Maybe.
But then it's really hard to know if that's the case without knowing the contents of the email isn't it? He can insult Obama and say rude things all he likes, but threats are another matter entirely.
 

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Jark212 said:
That was pretty funny, but the Secret Service doesn't screw around, if you send a death threat to the President you'll get raided by the FBI or Secret Service within 20 minutes...
mmm.. part of me just wants to try this (on someone else's computer, in someone else's home) just to time how long it takes for the door to get kicked in, lol
 

Tartarga

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This guy gets banned from the country for calling Obama a prick yet Glenn Beck calls him a Nazi on a daily basis and doesn't even get a slap on the wrist, what the hell?
 

tthor

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bleachigo10 said:
This guy gets banned from the country for calling Obama a prick yet Glenn Beck calls him a Nazi on a daily basis and doesn't even get a slap on the wrist, what the hell?
its a lot easier screw over foreigners than it is to screw over native douchebags
 

Spinozaad

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Meh. It's only America.

Still, that's one hell of a story to impress your mates with at the local pub.

-Edit-

I actually hope this guy will try to get a career in diplomacy/politics. I would love to see this get into the shitter of stupidity even further.
 

ultrachicken

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If he said those things while drunk, there's a possibility that he would actually try to kill Obama if he got drunk enough. There's also a possibility that he was just dicking around.
tthor said:
bleachigo10 said:
This guy gets banned from the country for calling Obama a prick yet Glenn Beck calls him a Nazi on a daily basis and doesn't even get a slap on the wrist, what the hell?
its a lot easier screw over foreigners than it is to screw over native douchebags
The government can't ban people from insulting the President, only threatening him with bodily harm.