Poll: Bethesda Softworks - What is up with these people?

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Pr0

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Bethesda Softworks.... [http://www.bethsoft.com/eng/index.php]

Even the name makes you stop and think back on all the great games they came out with. The development house that brought you all 4 versions of The Elder Scrolls [http://www.elderscrolls.com/home/home.php], and Fallout 3 [http://fallout.bethsoft.com/index.html]. Its hard to really ever consider them capable of falling on their faces, but it seems if any year was to be the year of fumbled passes and bad public relations for this once godlike developer, its 2009.

Not only were Bethsoft's only two real offerings to the gaming market for 2009 horrible beyond the point of understanding, with Wet [http://wet.bethsoft.com/?fbid=38VIDFPWZid](Metacritic Rating of 69) being an action oriented console quasi rail shooter that had more control issues than a Russian space station, they also produced and released Rogue Warrior [http://www.roguewarrior.com/](Metacritic Rating of 26), in conjunction with Rebellion Software, regardless of Rebellion's professional history of making shoddy ass games at best.

And if that weren't enough, after purchasing the licensing rights for Fallout from Interplay to produce Fallout 3, which is arguably the game of the year for 2008, Bethsoft went on to pursue litigation [http://kotaku.com/5357724/bethesda-sues-interplay-over-fallout-trademark-infringement] against Interplay for Interplay's release of the Fallout games they produced under a one box solution, for, of all things, trademark infringement...and then, to add insult to injury to all us gamers and game fans out here, added a failure to comply charge and breach of contract [http://kotaku.com/5357724/bethesda-sues-interplay-over-fallout-trademark-infringement] to said lawsuit, further suing Interplay for their slow progress and production of an agreed upon Fallout MMO.

Now, I don't know about you but I pretty much figured that if we could get a Fallout MMO that actually had IP rights to the Fallout intellectual property, I could probably die a very old and happy gamer. But no, instead of realizing that Interplay was going to be unable to make good on its commitment and use the trademark intellectual property Bethesda reportedly paid 5.75 million dollars for to develop a Fallout Online for real, the folks at Bethsoft felt it was better to invest all that money they made off the sale of Fallout 3 on marketing Wet, Rogue Warrior and hiring a battery of lawyers to sue Interplay, and thusly, made no progress on anything and went pretty much the entire year of 2009 offering no new titles of any note to the industry.

Now, far as I'm concerned that is a pretty major chip in the foundation of trust Bethesda Softworks has built with the gaming demographic over the last ten years. And it shows a massive lack of pragmatic adaptation to situations as they change.

Bethesda has the right to make one of the most anticipated MMO's of all time, but refuses to do so themselves because they made some legal agreement with Interplay to do it for them. But rather than backing up, and taking over the project themselves as soon as it became obvious Interplay was not going to be able to produce on their end of the agreement and making themselves the equivalent of 200 oil tankers worth of cash, monthly, once said project is completed, they'd rather knock off a couple of horrendously produced titles that make Electronic Arts look like a responsible producer by comparison, and spend whats left of the Fallout 3 profits on suing the very developer that created the franchise in the first place.

I find this to be an appalling and rather under scrutinized fall from grace by one of the most enigmatic development houses in the industry of the last decade. Sure plenty of sites have reported on the lawsuit itself, but no ones really analyzed it for how absolutely asinine it is.

You'd rather sue someone that cannot produce a Fallout MMO, than use the legal rights you've purchased and that you're suing them under to do it yourselves Bethesda?

As a gamer I'm disappointed and find my faith in your products heavily tarnished by this, especially by that piece of crap Rogue Warrior that I actually paid $60.00 USD for, simply because Bethesda's name was on the box and I assumed that given their development standards and the IP the game was franchised from, it could have been a very interesting change of direction for Bethesda themselves, only to be greeted by 2 hours of random profanity from Mickey Rourke and level design that would be considered laughable even by Half Life 2 standards.

You dropped the ball this year Bethesda, and you did it while sitting on one of the most hotly anticipated properties in the whole of the gaming industry, all so you could litigate against Interplay for failure to comply with contractual obligations that you are more than capable, both legally and developmentally, of fulfilling yourself.

5.75 million dollars is a drop in the bucket compared to the potential of what you are sitting on, intellectual property wise, in your attempt to make that back via what I find to be the gaming industry equivalent of frivolous litigation.

Fire your lawyers and hire more developers. Instead of suing Interplay, how about you BUY them and add them to your own efforts? That is my advice, and maybe in 2010 you'll actually have something to show the world (Fallout Online would be what we're waiting for) that we'll give a damn about. After Wet and Rogue Warrior, its going to take a bit of a miracle to pull yourselves out of the hole you've dug. And you've got the proverbial gaming "Arc of the Covenant" sitting in your IP warehouse. You just won't use it.
 

No_Remainders

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Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
 

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No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
 

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I think there pretty good to be honest, i found fallout 3 good and Im looking forward to Brink.
 

No_Remainders

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flaming_squirrel said:
No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?
 

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Trotgar said:
Bethesda published Wet and Rogue Warrior, they didn't make them.
I said they produced them, not made them. Published/Produced/Distribution, thats all pretty much under the same heading.

It doesn't really change the issue that they did nothing, except, potentially, give Electronic Arts a bit of a better reputation as a producer/publisher, while suing Interplay over something they could very well do themselves and probably do better than Interplay would do it.

There is simply no logic to Bethesda producing Wet and Rogue Warrior while sitting on the Fallout IP and having a legal tussle with Interplay over it.

Screw the lawsuit, get to work, is what I'm saying. Everyone wants to know what MMO will take down WoW? Fallout Online....done right, will be the one to do it.

Apparently someone in the Bethesda corporate hierarchy doesn't like money.
 

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No_Remainders said:
flaming_squirrel said:
No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?
It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.
 

orangebandguy

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Fallout 3 is brilliant, and the DLC was great too. Although Point Lookout is a nightmare compared to the others.
 

Pr0

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Well my vote was pie because I've obviously got an opinion.

I had a high esteem of Bethesda til this year. The production/publishing of Wet and Rogue Warrior under their name was a bit of egg on their faces, regardless of them not having anything to do with the actual development of them.

I mean, you're telling me the people at Bethesda that made such engrossing and content filled games, can't test drive Rogue Warrior and....I dunno, sue Rebellion Software for producing what is the equivalent of a 2 hour profanity filled, last generation FPS demo? Nobody in the publishing process actually did any QA on what was being published/produced under their name?

So I vote pie, I find their willingness to even let Wet and Rogue Warrior go to market with their name associated with it disturbing amidst all the litigation stupidity.

Its like they took the year off and let the lawyers run the house.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
No_Remainders said:
flaming_squirrel said:
No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?
It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.
Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.
 

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RadioActiveChimp said:
Trotgar said:
Bethesda published Wet and Rogue Warrior, they didn't make them.
correct, they had nothing to do with the development of these games.
i trust any game made by bethesda
Unfortunately, you can't trust it to work. Beta-testing simply does not exist in the Bethesda lexicon.
 

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Mr Wednesday said:
Trotgar said:
Bethesda published Wet and Rogue Warrior, they didn't make them.
This post.
Pr0 said:
Trotgar said:
Bethesda published Wet and Rogue Warrior, they didn't make them.
I said they produced them, not made them. Published/Produced/Distribution, thats all pretty much under the same heading.

It doesn't really change the issue that they did nothing, except, potentially, give Electronic Arts a bit of a better reputation as a producer/publisher, while suing Interplay over something they could very well do themselves and probably do better than Interplay would do it.

There is simply no logic to Bethesda producing Wet and Rogue Warrior while sitting on the Fallout IP and having a legal tussle with Interplay over it.

Screw the lawsuit, get to work, is what I'm saying. Everyone wants to know what MMO will take down WoW? Fallout Online....done right, will be the one to do it.

Apparently someone in the Bethesda corporate hierarchy doesn't like money.
This post.
 

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orangebandguy said:
Fallout 3 is brilliant, and the DLC was great too. Although Point Lookout is a nightmare compared to the others.
I enjoyed fallout 3 didn't get any of the DLC's though I wish I had.
I actually enjoyed the wet demo, it was different.
I hope Bethesda does pick up the ball some what and throw us some good games in 2010.
 

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No_Remainders said:
Internet Kraken said:
No_Remainders said:
flaming_squirrel said:
No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?
It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.
Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.
That doesn't make it a clone of Oblivion. I'll admit that the game is rather easy depending on how you play, especially when compared to the brutal Fallout 1+2. Plus that doesn't stop the game from being fun. Though I personally downloaded a mod to increase difficulty on one of my later playthroughs.
 

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No_Remainders said:
It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.
Yes, we know that already thanks.

As for Beth, it does smell a bit shitty this whole lawsuit business.

But I'm still more excited about Fallout: New Vegas than every other game next year combined.

Let's hope they keep a watchful eye over Obsidian and don't release another monstrosity like Wet.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
No_Remainders said:
Internet Kraken said:
No_Remainders said:
flaming_squirrel said:
No_Remainders said:
Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.
Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".
It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?
It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.
Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.
That doesn't make it a clone of Oblivion. I'll admit that the game is rather easy depending on how you play, especially when compared to the brutal Fallout 1+2. Plus that doesn't stop the game from being fun. Though I personally downloaded a mod to increase difficulty on one of my later playthroughs.
They pretty much reskinned the characters, the landscapes, and the weaponry... Pretty much what Treyarch did for "Call of Duty: World at War"
 

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miracleofsound said:
No_Remainders said:
It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.
Yes, we know that already thanks.

As for Beth, it does smell a bit shitty this whole lawsuit business.

But I'm still more excited about Fallout: New Vegas than every other game next year combined.

Let's hope they keep a watchful eye over Obsidian and don't release another monstrosity like Wet.
I plan on not wasting my money on Bethesda ever again. Their poor turnouts this year (I know they didn't develop the stuff; but they published it; so they get part of the blame too) along with Elder... Oh wait, Fallout 3, means I'm gonna ignore them.