Poll: Bethesda Softworks - What is up with these people?

[Jandau]

I never understood all the Bethesda hype. Morrowind was good, but after that it all went downhill. Oblivion was terrible to the point that I can't bear to touch the game, but it was at the right place at the right time and became insanely popular mostly with people who didn't know any better. Fallout 3 was slightly better, but most of the good in that game was due to the setting and the franchise. Beyond that it was a clumsy shooter.

Basically, Bethesda hasn't done a truly great game since Morrowind and I couldn't care less about their upcoming products.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.

Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".

It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?

It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.

Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.

When in Christ's name did you use VATS in Oblivion? Modders really have got out of hand...

You sure he was talking about Oblivion...?

 

[Chipperz]

Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.

Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".

It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?

It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.

Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.

When in Christ's name did you use VATS in Oblivion? Modders really have got out of hand...

You sure he was talking about Oblivion...?

He said Fallout 3 was a reskin of Oblivion, before going off on a rant about how he used VATS on everything. It stands to reason that he was talking about both, because he says that both games are exactly the same.

My point is that I can't remember Vault-Assisted Targetting Systems in Oblivion, but if it's just a reskin of the same game, then it must have been there...

 

[pope 1337]

so copy clerk says if they make a game with swords they cant make another game with swords?
i say thats some revoulutionary retardation ya got there

 

[Axolotl]

He said Fallout 3 was a reskin of Oblivion, before going off on a rant about how he used VATS on everything. It stands to reason that he was talking about both, because he says that both games are exactly the same.

My point is that I can't remember Vault-Assisted Targetting Systems in Oblivion, but if it's just a reskin of the same game, then it must have been there...

Have you played Fallout 3? It calls itself an Elder Scrolls Master file, in the pre-release Bethesda called it Oblivion with guns. You can think that it isn't a rehash of Oblivion with a post-apocalyptic reskin, but Bethesda would disagree.

On topic, no I don't trust Bethesda, they've dumbed down their own franchise, ruined anaother companies franchise, been obsenely arrogant in most interviems and I fully believe they're going to ruin Rage and ID as well.

 

[Deadpool062]

Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.

Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".

It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?

No, no you don't. I don't know why you hate Halo. It was monumental when CE came out, and is really pretty fun besides suffering from bad voice acting and xboxlivetenyearoldism

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

Pie of course.

 

[SFR]

You think Half-Life 2 has bad level design? What are you smoking? Do you think when a game has levels structured in a way they would exist in the real world that it means bad level design? To my knowledge, one big reason Half-Life 2 is so heavily praised is for it's well thought out level design. I guess there's always someone who will disagree with anything.

As far as the issue here goes, it is a tad confusion. I know you know that Wet and Rouge Warrior were published, not developed by Bethesda, but keep in mind, the publisher shouldn't be labeled by the games they produce. Just like EA shouldn't be credited for making Dead Space. The developer gets the credit (or blame in the case) and the publisher's name shouldn't even be thought about (unless they made the game too, of course).

 

[Chipperz]

He said Fallout 3 was a reskin of Oblivion, before going off on a rant about how he used VATS on everything. It stands to reason that he was talking about both, because he says that both games are exactly the same.

My point is that I can't remember Vault-Assisted Targetting Systems in Oblivion, but if it's just a reskin of the same game, then it must have been there...

Have you played Fallout 3? It calls itself an Elder Scrolls Master file, in the pre-release Bethesda called it Oblivion with guns. You can think that it isn't a rehash of Oblivion with a post-apocalyptic reskin, but Bethesda would disagree.

Didn't bother reading what I wrote, huh? Tell you what, read my posts again, and then get back to me.

 

[Nevyrmoore]

Personally; I haven't ever liked Bethesda. I wasn't a fan of the Elder Scrolls series and for me; Fallout 3 was a disgrace to the series.

Oh dear, someone's a little stuck in last gen.

The first 2 Fallout games were indeed great games (Tactics was shit), and whilst they were very different to F3 that does not make it a bad game. That's like comparing any current FPS with Wolfenstein 3d and stating "OMGZ IT SUX CAUSE NOT THE SAME".

It was a re-skinned version of Oblivion - a game which I loathe more than the Halo series... Need I say more?

It's not though. If you say that, your clearly not giving the game a chance.

Played it through till the end. It's too easy; all you do is use VATS the entire time unless you want to randomly fire bullets in the general area of where you're looking and just hope that it hits the enemy.

It's a mixture between a FPS and RPG, except there's not even a very big FPS element to it.

When in Christ's name did you use VATS in Oblivion? Modders really have got out of hand...

You sure he was talking about Oblivion...?

He said Fallout 3 was a reskin of Oblivion, before going off on a rant about how he used VATS on everything. It stands to reason that he was talking about both, because he says that both games are exactly the same.

My point is that I can't remember Vault-Assisted Targetting Systems in Oblivion, but if it's just a reskin of the same game, then it must have been there...

By the looks of things though, he changed argument halfway through. He may have said it was a complete reskin, but he then went on to complain about the difficulty.

 

[Moosebomber]

I don't really see the problem with them publishing a game. plus, even though Wet was terrible, Mark Hamill was one of the voice actors! That gives it a little credit.

 

[RanD00M]

Okay so what you're saying is that two wrongs bring down a ton of rights?

 

[Shycte]

Maybe, just maybe.... It's a matter of taste?

Could it be?

Seriously though, I loved Oblivion. It was great and god knows how many hours I spend in it.

Fallout 3's setting and that stupid V.A.S.T thingy ruined that game for me. But in essence it was good.

 

[Brnin8]

Bethesda published Wet and Rogue Warrior, they didn't make them.

Wow that is exactly what I was going to say...
You really should not blame the development team for the production teams bad choices, even if they are part of the same company.

 

[DayDark]

Have you played Fallout 3? It calls itself an Elder Scrolls Master file, in the pre-release Bethesda called it Oblivion with guns. You can think that it isn't a rehash of Oblivion with a post-apocalyptic reskin, but Bethesda would disagree.

That's not what bethesda meant, if I say I couldn't hurt a fly, do you think I mean I literally couldn't hurt flies?

Bethesda called it Oblivion with guns, because it's a sandbox RPG set in a universe where guns exist. But really even if Bethesda had meant that it was literally was "oblivion with guns", that is irrelevant when the game clearly isn't. It is not a rehash of Oblivion. If we pretend for a moment that, that was really their objective, then they failed. If you can't see this it is because you refuse to, or you have no idea what makes these games what they are.

 

[slackbheep]

Interplay has been stomping all over potentially good games for years now. The fact they aren't being roasted over a spit to feed their investors over the holidays should be good enough.

 

[Moosebomber]

Fallout 3's setting and that stupid V.A.S.T thingy ruined that game for me. But in essence it was good.

Yeah, I never liked VATS either, but it's weird because I got the Game of The Year Edition and all the guns seem strangely accurate and usable outside of VATS.

 

[RanD00M]

After Wet and Rogue Warrior, its going to take a bit of a miracle to pull yourselves out of the hole you've dug. And you've got the proverbial gaming "Arc of the Covenant" sitting in your IP warehouse. You just won't use it.

According to you,they dug themselves a mighty deep hole whole sitting on a fucking mountain.How the fuck does that work?That's like if i would go complain over Valve because they made the game Gunman Chronicles which sucked major ass.

Your complaint is both redundant and pointless.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

Yeah they only published Rogue Warrior and Wet, they didn't make them. I've never been let down by a Bethesda made game. The Elder Scrolls are great, I enjoyed Fallout 3, and Brink looks like it could be interesting.