Poll: Bin's Laden Body Being Handled In Islamic Tradition

[KeyMaster45]

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

There was no capturing him alive; this was always going to end with him dead at the hands of one of the NATO nations. He'd have been killed anyway even if the order was to take him alive. It's not like the snuck up on him and executed him ninja style too; he actually fought back.

Any trial would have been stupid to even hold as it would have actually been a mockery of justice. Could you honestly say he would have gotten a fair trial? Of course not, any court he'd be tried in would have an extreme bias against him. The trial would only be there as a public spectacle. It would cost taxpayers millions of dollars (on top of what's been spent to find him) and then we'd get to hear the news outlets piss and moan for a few years about what a waste of money it was.

Killing him was the better option. He gave the US a real run for it's money, and he still deserves a proper burial. Preferably in an unmarked grave in Area 51 where decades from now he will rise as Zombie Bin Laden thanks to the toxic radiation seeping up from the chambers below.

 

[loc978]

Whatever the least offensive way to deal with it is, I say. Best not to piss off the jihadists any more than we have simply by being ourselves. It's just a fucking dead guy, I say let the religious types do what they will with their worm food.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

This. All this rejoicing at his death? Anybody remember the rejoicing around the world at 9/11? How can we claim to be better if we sink to that level? Besides, mistreating the remains would be needlessly provocative, like smoking in the room with the powderkeg.

I know, right? Let's mourn Saddam now, let's not celebrate his death in the slightest. The problem with your logic that being happy about the death of someone who's brought about the death of hundreds of people is hardly sinking to his level.

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

I would agree with you except.

He did not go peacefully he engaged in a firefight.

So with that mind shooting him is perfectly justified.

Well yes, if he was shooting back there wasn't much to do but kill him. But we need to stop conflating justice with revenge.

Edit: In other words, when the police go to apprehend a suspect and he starts shooting at them instead of going peacefully, there is nothing to do but shoot back and kill him. This doesn't mean that it's a cause for celebration; any death is a tragedy.

 

[Romidude]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110502/ts_nm/us_obama_binladen_body_islam

As an American, I'd like to say: Fuck that, they should stuff his corpse and mount it on the white-house lawn.

you discus me, he might have killed hundred of Americans, but the American Army has killed thousands Iraqi and Afghans over the cause of 10 years. what gives you the moral high ground? The bush & Blair administration can not claim moral high ground.

Unless you can give me an example of where they specifically targeted civilians you're full of shit.

Go on youtube, they do. OH OH! PERFECT ONE, look up: The kill team. A squad of US soldiers who went out and killed children then took photos of them defacing their corpses. Piss off. Know the facts.

*EDIT* They were also stopped before they threw candy out of their trucks and killed the kids who went for it.

 

[smeghead25]

Put his corpse on trial. That could be fun.

Get Jeff Dunham to 'help' at the trial, he has experience with dead terrorists.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

This. All this rejoicing at his death? Anybody remember the rejoicing around the world at 9/11? How can we claim to be better if we sink to that level? Besides, mistreating the remains would be needlessly provocative, like smoking in the room with the powderkeg.

I know, right? Let's mourn Saddam now, let's not celebrate his death in the slightest. The problem with your logic that being happy about the death of someone who's brought about the death of hundreds of people is hardly sinking to his level.

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

I would agree with you except.

He did not go peacefully he engaged in a firefight.

So with that mind shooting him is perfectly justified.

Well yes, if he was shooting back there wasn't much to do but kill him. But we need to stop conflating justice with revenge.

Yeah I agree, that said if the options were 'let him escape' or 'kill him'. They should go with kill him.

That I can agree with; read my edit for a better explanation.

 

[Blood Countess]

I personally think the enemy's body deserves a proper burial.He's dead and trying to somehow embarrass him now is pointless.

Let him have the proper arrangements being a muslim calls for and be done with it

 

[8bitlove2a03]

OP, you should think about two things here. First of all, despite how you are making us sound, the rest of us Americans aren't savage barbarians who feel the need to mutilate enemy corpses. We have standards of decency, and if we don't apply them to everyone then they may as well be forgotten. Yes he was a terrible person, but we have no right to harm his body or act in defiance of his people's funerary customs.

Secondly, you should look up the word martyr, because there's a good chance that his followers are now viewing him as such. Treating his body respectfully is better than desecrating it, thereby angering them further and inciting them to more brash actions that they may already be planning in retaliation.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

If America can grant that, then think how awesome it'll make them look;
'Yeah, this guy is the leader of the group that killed 3000 civilians by flying planes into heavily populated buildings. It was the worst attack in US history. Now their leader is dead. This man deserves no dignity by our standards, but we'll give him dignity in death anyway. That's just how we roll.' It'll cement their position as the good guys (although it is clear to most who is good and who is bad when one of the group consists of religious extremists who are against woman's rights, education and freedom)

I sincerely hope that was sarcasm; you can't honestly believe that desecrating a corpse is something that the good guys do.

 

[JDKJ]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

This. All this rejoicing at his death? Anybody remember the rejoicing around the world at 9/11? How can we claim to be better if we sink to that level? Besides, mistreating the remains would be needlessly provocative, like smoking in the room with the powderkeg.

I know, right? Let's mourn Saddam now, let's not celebrate his death in the slightest. The problem with your logic that being happy about the death of someone who's brought about the death of hundreds of people is hardly sinking to his level.

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

Edit: And yes, sinking to his level. A death is never something to celebrate.

Edit edit: Also, please tell me you just compared Saddam to Osama, and didn't get them confused.

You strike me as a smart person. Smart enough to know that the only difference between a war hero and a war criminal is who won the war.

"I have broken every law I have sworn to uphold, I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!" -- Elliot Ness, "The Untouchables"

 

[Worgen]

meh, hes meat now, do with it what you will

I suppose giving meat some "honor" in death is just as well since not giving it "honor" will just piss off other people who we might end up needing to make meat out of at some point

besides, being able to show your the bigger man tends to give you points

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I wouldn't say he has deserved the dignity, but it's all about showing yourself as the better man, I guess.

This. All this rejoicing at his death? Anybody remember the rejoicing around the world at 9/11? How can we claim to be better if we sink to that level? Besides, mistreating the remains would be needlessly provocative, like smoking in the room with the powderkeg.

I know, right? Let's mourn Saddam now, let's not celebrate his death in the slightest. The problem with your logic that being happy about the death of someone who's brought about the death of hundreds of people is hardly sinking to his level.

I'm sorry, I just can't bring myself to be happy about it. Now if we gave him a trial, and then threw him in jail to rot for the rest of his natural life...

Edit: And yes, sinking to his level. A death is never something to celebrate.

Edit edit: Also, please tell me you just compared Saddam to Osama, and didn't get them confused.

You strike me as a smart person. Smart enough to know that the only difference between a war hero and a war criminal is who won the war.

"I have broken every law I have sworn to uphold, I have become what I beheld and I am content that I have done right!" -- Elliot Ness, "The Untouchables"

Which is why I think there are very few legitimate reasons to go to war, but that's another story for another thread.

Edit: That wasn't a categorical "all soldiers are war criminals" so much as a recognition that war is a terrible thing in which people do terrible things to one another, and that it shouldn't be entered into lightly. There's a pretty big difference between putting a bullet in your enemy and defacing his corpse.

 

[Mr. Underson]

Sew him up in a pig's skin and bury him upside-down facing away from Mecca.