Poll: Boycott Rage

[WaruTaru]

You're coming off as an asshole here because in when the PS2 age and back. People were able to take a game they had and play with a friend's console which should be a viable practice today. Yet with people like you money is more important so developers really shouldn't care about who plays their game its all about the transfer of funds. Since I think you still have your head in your ass the difference between piracy and the used market at lease the used market has some sort of cash flow going on. that means the money stays in the gaming market.

And its people like me that keeps developers alive. Imagine if everyone bought second hand. Who would buy first-hand? No one. Exactly. Developers are supported by people who gives them direct support. Retailers are screwing both consumers and developers. I have no pity for retailers, and wish for the death of all retailers and all the second-hand market. That way, digital distribution rules and I can get games for cheaper anyways. Again, this is the kind of shit retailers can pull. Developers tried providing players with cheaper alternative but they are thwarted by retailers. So yeah, retailers screwing with consumers and developers. To bypass that, developers tried to be nice and removed some minor stuff from the game to encourage you to buy first-hand. Here you are bitching about contents that you may not even need to play the game. What bullshit.

The ironic thing about this is that you think you're better then those that buy something 2nd hand. Why should they respect your choice when in turn you don't respect theirs and there's nothing wrong with buying something used. IF you been to a Gamestop, EB games or Funcoland they let you see the disk your buying to see the quality you're getting when buying used. I got Okami got 20 bucks used that was a great deal because I enjoyed the experence. So I got what I paid for. I got Shinobi, Nightshade, Zone of the Enders 2 used all under 10$ in great condition. I got what I paid paid for in truck loads of enjoyment.

You don't have to respect my choice, but I don't have to respect yours either. Deal? Yes, that is contract law. You can check the stuff out before you buy, but you are still taking risks with it, especially if you did not detect the flaw when you check. So whatever complaints you have against the disc, you take it to the game shop, who sold you the game. Its the shop's fault for not telling you "oh, you need to pay extra $10 to get some other stuff" when you buy. That is their problem. If they told you and you still bought? The problem is all on you. You can blame no one for it.

Or you can choose not to buy the game that locks content off. Its not like someone is pointing a gun at you and force you to buy it. You have a choice. Its either you buy or you don't. Simple?

 

[Vidi Kitty]

So are you going to answer my questions? Here they are again:

Would you be happy if Gamestop severely undercut publishers by making the used price HALF of the new price? So what is it that you are against exactly? People making choices or Gamestop making money?

So you would rather know about my personal opinion about something irrelevant to the discussion? You would rather distract people from the matter at hand with a completely different train of thought that still relates favorably to your chosen side of the other topic? This is highly misleading to people who are here for the main topic, and you should stick to that instead.

Also don't get rude and pushy. It does not help your image at all.

But to humor you, I think that if Gamestop undercut the publishers by half, they would have more sales, but they wouldn't be able to keep the product in stock. All of the profit from turning over the used game would still be just that, profit. People would still go buy the game new when Gamestop ran out unless they are low on money, and then they would just have to wait.

I am against people feeling entitled to get what they want, when what they want costs someone time and money. I am against people throwing up their arms and stomping off when do don't get what they feel they are entitled to. I am against people spouting their opinions to others, and then getting upset when they do not share the same opinion. I think its great that people have so many choices. Like choosing weather or not they want an extra bit of content in a game. And frankly I don't care if Gamestop makes money or not.

As far as me being happy, I will leave that just off screen for you to think about.

 

[Epona]

And its people like me that keeps developers alive. Imagine if everyone bought second hand. Who would buy first-hand? No one.

This is an impossible scenario.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

I don't know why people are always getting so upset by this. Developers are simply supporting those who support them. They aren't punished those who buy the game pre-owned, they are rewarding those who buy it new, and I think it's time that people realised that.

What's the difference? You can't give something extra to one group without the other group missing out on something. In fact, isn't the whole point of giving something extra to the group who buys new designed to discourage from buying used?

I wish gamers would stop supporting companies who openly declare war on consumer ownership rights by trying to devalue a product the moment you try to resell it.

BTW, I am sure you do KNOW why people are getting upset about this. You did read the thread right?

The difference? ID are only restricting a very small amount of content in a 20 hour game. Content that ID even said most gamers will overlook and ignore anyway, I just think it's cool that developers are giving us small freebies for giving something back to them. But I'm also annoyed that it has gotten to this point where developers feel that they have to de this to make money from their games. This clearly shows that used sales are a massive problem for developers. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that developers have done to prevent used sales (CAPCOM's one save system), because this makes the product almost useless for people that do decide to buy the games used.

Also, I do not understand why people are getting upset about this. Yes I did read the thread, but it just don't understand why people think they can pretty much "steal" from developers and be expected to get treated as equally as those who buy the game new.

Well, it can't be both ways. You can't say "it's not a big deal since it's such a small, insignificant amount of content" and also say "it's great that they are doing this for new buyers". If the first is true then it isn't much of a bonus and not even worth considering buying new for which makes the second statement meaningless.

Publishers are getting greedy, it isn't that they HAVE to do this, it's that they want more money. The game industry isn't in a position to need government bailouts, they are just getting greedy.

Buying used is stealing now? Don't you see how brainwashed you have become? Try to put yourself on the other side, what if someone told you that buying a used car was grand theft auto?

I think it's for the player to decide whether or not the content is worth it or not, sure it's a very small portion of the game, but I still want the content because I like to explore games as much as I can.

I did use the term stealing very loosely, just as a way to say that what you are doing means that the developers aren't getting any money from your purchase. Though I can see it had the completely wrong affect on you.

So you think it's for the player to decide but you don't know why some players are complaining yet you WANT that extra content. Wow!

You can't use the word steal and then pretend you didn't really mean it. Developers don't get any money from used sales because they aren't entitled to it. Why is that so damn hard to understand? No other industry gets to double dip in the second hand market and contrary to the bleeding hearts beliefs, the game industry is not special.

I fail to see your point. I will buy the game new regardless of the content, yes I do want it, but it's not going to be the reason to justify my new purchase. Sure developers aren't entitled to the money from pre-owned sales, but what makes you think the people who buy the games used are entitled to the additional content? Not my point, but it's really for the developers to decide.

As for you second point, read my previous post.

I'm sure that none of us are going to come to any sort of conclusion here because we're both completely on either end of the court and I don't think anything either of us say is going to make the other person think otherwise.

It's not additional content, it's content pulled from the game to punish used game buyers.

Quit acting like they are out to punish people. Its selfish of you to think that they are doing this just to make people suffer. They want to see more money for a game they put time and effort into, so they added an extra bit to the game that they control. The used retailers can't get you this piece of the game, only the makers, which promotes you to get a fresh game.

They are trying to discourage used sales, are they not?

That is one effect of what they are doing. The other is having a a way for people to get that extra bit of game if they want to buy a used game and still get everything.

A huge part of this is that the additional content is entirely optional. If you want to buy the game used, go do it and enjoy your game. If you think that a little more of that game would be nice, then go and buy the extra content. They are not forcing you to buy the game new. They are not forcing you to buy the extra content.

So there you have it, that is an effect of what they are doing so they are indeed punishing used buyers. Thanks

You are confusing discouraging and dissuading and twisting people's words. Stop that.

You can buy a new car, or you can buy this used car for a little less. The previous owners only drove it once before deciding they didn't like it, but they used the air freshener. If you want an air freshener in your used car, you will just have to go buy one yourself, as we don't feel obligated to provide one for you in this used car.

This is a metaphor for Gamestop by the way.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

Imagine if everyone bought second hand. Who would buy first-hand? No one. Exactly.

How exactly can people buy second hand if no-one buys first hand? How do you get a used game when no new copies are sold?

What the fuck?

See that's how you know who to avoid and not talk to, people with backwards logic .

 

[Epona]

So are you going to answer my questions? Here they are again:

Would you be happy if Gamestop severely undercut publishers by making the used price HALF of the new price? So what is it that you are against exactly? People making choices or Gamestop making money?

So you would rather know about my personal opinion about something irrelevant to the discussion? You would rather distract people from the matter at hand with a completely different train of thought that still relates favorably to your chosen side of the other topic? This is highly misleading to people who are here for the main topic, and you should stick to that instead.

Also don't get rude and pushy. It does not help your image at all.

But to humor you, I think that if Gamestop undercut the publishers by half, they would have more sales, but they wouldn't be able to keep the product in stock. All of the profit from turning over the used game would still be just that, profit. People would still go buy the game new when Gamestop ran out unless they are low on money, and then they would just have to wait.

I am against people feeling entitled to get what they want, when what they want costs someone time and money. I am against people throwing up their arms and stomping off when do don't get what they feel they are entitled to. I am against people spouting their opinions to others, and then getting upset when they do not share the same opinion. I think its great that people have so many choices. Like choosing weather or not they want an extra bit of content in a game. And frankly I don't care if Gamestop makes money or not.

As far as me being happy, I will leave that just off screen for you to think about.

Ok so let me get this straight. You can complain about Gamestops prices but when questioned about it, Gamestops prices are suddenly off topic?

You are apparently not against corporations feeling entitled though as publisher seem to have the largest sense of entitlement and you defend that.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

Imagine if everyone bought second hand. Who would buy first-hand? No one. Exactly.

How exactly can people buy second hand if no-one buys first hand? How do you get a used game when no new copies are sold?

What the fuck?

See that's how you know who to avoid and not talk to, people with backwards logic .

But if you think about it, that is another way of saying that more used sales means less new sales. Less new sales means less money for publishers, which means they don't put out as many or as high of quality games.

 

[Epona]

I don't know why people are always getting so upset by this. Developers are simply supporting those who support them. They aren't punished those who buy the game pre-owned, they are rewarding those who buy it new, and I think it's time that people realised that.

What's the difference? You can't give something extra to one group without the other group missing out on something. In fact, isn't the whole point of giving something extra to the group who buys new designed to discourage from buying used?

I wish gamers would stop supporting companies who openly declare war on consumer ownership rights by trying to devalue a product the moment you try to resell it.

BTW, I am sure you do KNOW why people are getting upset about this. You did read the thread right?

The difference? ID are only restricting a very small amount of content in a 20 hour game. Content that ID even said most gamers will overlook and ignore anyway, I just think it's cool that developers are giving us small freebies for giving something back to them. But I'm also annoyed that it has gotten to this point where developers feel that they have to de this to make money from their games. This clearly shows that used sales are a massive problem for developers. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that developers have done to prevent used sales (CAPCOM's one save system), because this makes the product almost useless for people that do decide to buy the games used.

Also, I do not understand why people are getting upset about this. Yes I did read the thread, but it just don't understand why people think they can pretty much "steal" from developers and be expected to get treated as equally as those who buy the game new.

Well, it can't be both ways. You can't say "it's not a big deal since it's such a small, insignificant amount of content" and also say "it's great that they are doing this for new buyers". If the first is true then it isn't much of a bonus and not even worth considering buying new for which makes the second statement meaningless.

Publishers are getting greedy, it isn't that they HAVE to do this, it's that they want more money. The game industry isn't in a position to need government bailouts, they are just getting greedy.

Buying used is stealing now? Don't you see how brainwashed you have become? Try to put yourself on the other side, what if someone told you that buying a used car was grand theft auto?

I think it's for the player to decide whether or not the content is worth it or not, sure it's a very small portion of the game, but I still want the content because I like to explore games as much as I can.

I did use the term stealing very loosely, just as a way to say that what you are doing means that the developers aren't getting any money from your purchase. Though I can see it had the completely wrong affect on you.

So you think it's for the player to decide but you don't know why some players are complaining yet you WANT that extra content. Wow!

You can't use the word steal and then pretend you didn't really mean it. Developers don't get any money from used sales because they aren't entitled to it. Why is that so damn hard to understand? No other industry gets to double dip in the second hand market and contrary to the bleeding hearts beliefs, the game industry is not special.

I fail to see your point. I will buy the game new regardless of the content, yes I do want it, but it's not going to be the reason to justify my new purchase. Sure developers aren't entitled to the money from pre-owned sales, but what makes you think the people who buy the games used are entitled to the additional content? Not my point, but it's really for the developers to decide.

As for you second point, read my previous post.

I'm sure that none of us are going to come to any sort of conclusion here because we're both completely on either end of the court and I don't think anything either of us say is going to make the other person think otherwise.

It's not additional content, it's content pulled from the game to punish used game buyers.

Quit acting like they are out to punish people. Its selfish of you to think that they are doing this just to make people suffer. They want to see more money for a game they put time and effort into, so they added an extra bit to the game that they control. The used retailers can't get you this piece of the game, only the makers, which promotes you to get a fresh game.

They are trying to discourage used sales, are they not?

That is one effect of what they are doing. The other is having a a way for people to get that extra bit of game if they want to buy a used game and still get everything.

A huge part of this is that the additional content is entirely optional. If you want to buy the game used, go do it and enjoy your game. If you think that a little more of that game would be nice, then go and buy the extra content. They are not forcing you to buy the game new. They are not forcing you to buy the extra content.

So there you have it, that is an effect of what they are doing so they are indeed punishing used buyers. Thanks

You are confusing discouraging and dissuading and twisting people's words. Stop that.

You can buy a new car, or you can buy this used car for a little less. The previous owners only drove it once before deciding they didn't like it, but they used the air freshener. If you want an air freshener in your used car, you will just have to go buy one yourself, as we don't feel obligated to provide one for you in this used car.

This is a metaphor for Gamestop by the way.

They are discouraging used sales by pulling content from the game and giving it only to new buyers. So yeah, punishing used buyers.

 

[WaruTaru]

And its people like me that keeps developers alive. Imagine if everyone bought second hand. Who would buy first-hand? No one.

This is an impossible scenario.

Yes I exaggerated, but it is possible. It just means the games is shite and not worth buying at all, thus the developers crash and burn while people waiting for some other suckers to try out that shite game and resell it.

 

[Dectomax]

Well, luckily for me the nice people at GAME are happy to give out DLC codes with used games. So, I'll just pop down, get a used copy and ask for the content code and walk home happily knowing that ID have fucked themselves in the public image and not a penny of mine went towards their stupid idea.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

There is no reason to punish people who buy the game used. People who buy your games used are people who become faithful buyers of your products. That's how I got to the point where I'll shell out over 70 dollars to pre-order Skyrim: buying Morrowind used. It's also how I became a loyal fan to Lionhead. A used copy of Fable I picked up at Gamestop.

When developers penalize legitimate used buyers, they ostracize a demographic. It all sort of reminds me of "my friend". There are devs that "my friend" would rather pirate from than buy from because of their business practices. However, when devs treat their consumers well, "my friend" is willing to pay for their used games, try them out, and shell out seventy dollars of his hard-earned dosh to buy their future games brand new if he likes it.

They are not punishing the "used" buyer. They are further rewarding people who buy new.

Everyone screams and kicks and shouts "REWARD US FOR GIVING YOU OUR MONEY!" -- but when something comes around that actually does that (by adding additional content that you would not even miss if it wasn't there), the same people cry "YOU ARE EVIL AND GREEDY, I WILL NO LONGER BUY FROM YOU! RARRRGH!"

They are not giving people extra content for buying it new. They are locking content that is present on the disc you buy for people who do not buy used.

If they were to make their DLC free or at a significant discount for people who bought new, that would be awesome. Me and "my friend" would both buy their games brand new so that we could get the extra content they put out for the game in the future at no cost or a reduced cost. That's the carrot.

However, when content on the game disc is locked if you don't buy the game brand new, the stick, both of us are put off of buying the game. I, of course, just don't play the game because that's the law. "My friend" occasionally will acquire the game in alternative methods.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

I don't know why people are always getting so upset by this. Developers are simply supporting those who support them. They aren't punished those who buy the game pre-owned, they are rewarding those who buy it new, and I think it's time that people realised that.

What's the difference? You can't give something extra to one group without the other group missing out on something. In fact, isn't the whole point of giving something extra to the group who buys new designed to discourage from buying used?

I wish gamers would stop supporting companies who openly declare war on consumer ownership rights by trying to devalue a product the moment you try to resell it.

BTW, I am sure you do KNOW why people are getting upset about this. You did read the thread right?

The difference? ID are only restricting a very small amount of content in a 20 hour game. Content that ID even said most gamers will overlook and ignore anyway, I just think it's cool that developers are giving us small freebies for giving something back to them. But I'm also annoyed that it has gotten to this point where developers feel that they have to de this to make money from their games. This clearly shows that used sales are a massive problem for developers. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that developers have done to prevent used sales (CAPCOM's one save system), because this makes the product almost useless for people that do decide to buy the games used.

Also, I do not understand why people are getting upset about this. Yes I did read the thread, but it just don't understand why people think they can pretty much "steal" from developers and be expected to get treated as equally as those who buy the game new.

Well, it can't be both ways. You can't say "it's not a big deal since it's such a small, insignificant amount of content" and also say "it's great that they are doing this for new buyers". If the first is true then it isn't much of a bonus and not even worth considering buying new for which makes the second statement meaningless.

Publishers are getting greedy, it isn't that they HAVE to do this, it's that they want more money. The game industry isn't in a position to need government bailouts, they are just getting greedy.

Buying used is stealing now? Don't you see how brainwashed you have become? Try to put yourself on the other side, what if someone told you that buying a used car was grand theft auto?

I think it's for the player to decide whether or not the content is worth it or not, sure it's a very small portion of the game, but I still want the content because I like to explore games as much as I can.

I did use the term stealing very loosely, just as a way to say that what you are doing means that the developers aren't getting any money from your purchase. Though I can see it had the completely wrong affect on you.

So you think it's for the player to decide but you don't know why some players are complaining yet you WANT that extra content. Wow!

You can't use the word steal and then pretend you didn't really mean it. Developers don't get any money from used sales because they aren't entitled to it. Why is that so damn hard to understand? No other industry gets to double dip in the second hand market and contrary to the bleeding hearts beliefs, the game industry is not special.

I fail to see your point. I will buy the game new regardless of the content, yes I do want it, but it's not going to be the reason to justify my new purchase. Sure developers aren't entitled to the money from pre-owned sales, but what makes you think the people who buy the games used are entitled to the additional content? Not my point, but it's really for the developers to decide.

As for you second point, read my previous post.

I'm sure that none of us are going to come to any sort of conclusion here because we're both completely on either end of the court and I don't think anything either of us say is going to make the other person think otherwise.

It's not additional content, it's content pulled from the game to punish used game buyers.

Quit acting like they are out to punish people. Its selfish of you to think that they are doing this just to make people suffer. They want to see more money for a game they put time and effort into, so they added an extra bit to the game that they control. The used retailers can't get you this piece of the game, only the makers, which promotes you to get a fresh game.

They are trying to discourage used sales, are they not?

That is one effect of what they are doing. The other is having a a way for people to get that extra bit of game if they want to buy a used game and still get everything.

A huge part of this is that the additional content is entirely optional. If you want to buy the game used, go do it and enjoy your game. If you think that a little more of that game would be nice, then go and buy the extra content. They are not forcing you to buy the game new. They are not forcing you to buy the extra content.

So there you have it, that is an effect of what they are doing so they are indeed punishing used buyers. Thanks

You are confusing discouraging and dissuading and twisting people's words. Stop that.

You can buy a new car, or you can buy this used car for a little less. The previous owners only drove it once before deciding they didn't like it, but they used the air freshener. If you want an air freshener in your used car, you will just have to go buy one yourself, as we don't feel obligated to provide one for you in this used car.

This is a metaphor for Gamestop by the way.

Was the air freshener built into the car? If not it's not a good metaphor. This seems better suited for something outside of the game all-together, like a game manual or box-art.

It could have been. Honestly since the 'air freshener' in question is part of the 'car', you shouldn't have had to ask that. Either way it is part of the experience of driving that car. It doesn't make the car faster or make it run better.

 

[TheDooD]

It's DLC. People are flipping their lids over optional DLC that is included with the game. Go out and buy Dead Space 2 used and check for that Dragon Age 2 armor code. You wont find it. Is it going to ruin your experience of either Dead Space 2 or Dragon Age 2? Didn't think so. This is the same thing. You want the DLC? You are going to have to pay for it through a new copy or a separate purchase, just like all DLC that is included with a game. DLC people...

Just to make sure you understand. DLC.

DLC...

It isn't DLC it's shit that's already on the disk. Years down the road people aren't gonna be able to play it because the service is gonna discontinue unlocking older games. Don't forget Pirates are gonna have the full game without deal with any bullshit so who's really the worse person here. The person buying a used game that's getting parts cut out or a pirate that can play a full game?

But for all intents and purposes it is DLC. It's not a large part of the game or an important one either. Its an extra bit of fun you get to have, their treat. They could have made it its own actual DLC that gets released along side the game and charge everyone, but they decided that they would be cool about it and promote sales of fresh copies.

They are trying to be nice and add something bonus in, but everyone is going nuts thinking that they aren't going to get what they paid for and they are being ripped off and they should get what they deserve.

Pirates are never in the right, and what they do with and get from a game has no impact on people who want to legally acquire their games. If you think the people who steal the game have it so much easier, then go pirate the game. Go download your crack to get the DLC for free. And then you will go complain some more when you get busted for it.

Still its something on the disk something that pirates can crack and get their hands on easily. That somebody pulling cash out their pockets period is gonna get punished for. They can't take this game and play it different console because they'll be missing content that they paid for. Why publishers need a game to be cracked just so content be played honestly. When piracy makes all that pointless, basically their pushing for more people to get into piracy. People are gonna get sick and tired of being treated like shit eventhough they come out their pickets with cash. If I play 60$ for Rage I should be able to play that with a friend's console yet I'll only be able to play half because eventhough I paid for the game I'm being punished or playing on a different console what kinda bullshit is that.

1. Yeah, I realize Gamestop has to buy the game from the person. But I've seen Gamestop give a person $4 for a brand new game and sell it used for $50 an hour later. My wife worked there for two years. That is a 92% profit. This happened 6 days after the game's release. It was an Assassin's Creed game.

You realize that's how a pawn shop works right? I don't really see people bitching about those places. Shoot Pawn Shops now have to buy cheap, sell cheap because normally they have too much stuff they can't sell in stock. GameStop has this problem too if you ever get a chance to dumpster dive the trash bins outside of them you'll find a lot of stuff they just couldn't sell.

3. I explained at the beginning of my post that I posted in anger and admitted that my post was flawed but had some key points. MAINLY that developers need to find a way to recover from used games sales without screwing over the customer. Right now consumers are losing, developers are losing, and although Gamestop is profiting right now... eventually Gamestop will suffer as this bad economy drives more people to buy used and the game industry falls apart. Gamestop relies on the success of the game industry to survive, and the game industry is being smothered by the ratio of new sales to used sales. The ratio needs to be corrected, that is all. The car industry recovered from the same problem, I'm confident the game industry can too if they pull their heads out of their asses and get over the idea that they are being cheated. I sympathize with WHY they feel that way, but as long as they screw the customer this will only get worse.

Games have to be sold cheaper so more people can buy them. 60$ is craziness if they sold for 30-40$ then more people can justify buying and keeping a game because those that dealt with selling used games the turn around isn't as good when the game is cheaper. Of course publishers need to stop punishing people that keeping a cash flow moving. Buy it new or used you're still a valued consumer and they should be happy that they didn't pirate the damn thing from the get go. To the publishers like it or not pirating is getting easier and easier. I agree they need to pull their heads out their asses. I'm always for making money yet I can't honestly treat people who put trust in my product like they're lesser then me. That's something developers and publishers need to learn that without them they're nothing.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

I don't know why people are always getting so upset by this. Developers are simply supporting those who support them. They aren't punished those who buy the game pre-owned, they are rewarding those who buy it new, and I think it's time that people realised that.

What's the difference? You can't give something extra to one group without the other group missing out on something. In fact, isn't the whole point of giving something extra to the group who buys new designed to discourage from buying used?

I wish gamers would stop supporting companies who openly declare war on consumer ownership rights by trying to devalue a product the moment you try to resell it.

BTW, I am sure you do KNOW why people are getting upset about this. You did read the thread right?

The difference? ID are only restricting a very small amount of content in a 20 hour game. Content that ID even said most gamers will overlook and ignore anyway, I just think it's cool that developers are giving us small freebies for giving something back to them. But I'm also annoyed that it has gotten to this point where developers feel that they have to de this to make money from their games. This clearly shows that used sales are a massive problem for developers. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that developers have done to prevent used sales (CAPCOM's one save system), because this makes the product almost useless for people that do decide to buy the games used.

Also, I do not understand why people are getting upset about this. Yes I did read the thread, but it just don't understand why people think they can pretty much "steal" from developers and be expected to get treated as equally as those who buy the game new.

Well, it can't be both ways. You can't say "it's not a big deal since it's such a small, insignificant amount of content" and also say "it's great that they are doing this for new buyers". If the first is true then it isn't much of a bonus and not even worth considering buying new for which makes the second statement meaningless.

Publishers are getting greedy, it isn't that they HAVE to do this, it's that they want more money. The game industry isn't in a position to need government bailouts, they are just getting greedy.

Buying used is stealing now? Don't you see how brainwashed you have become? Try to put yourself on the other side, what if someone told you that buying a used car was grand theft auto?

I think it's for the player to decide whether or not the content is worth it or not, sure it's a very small portion of the game, but I still want the content because I like to explore games as much as I can.

I did use the term stealing very loosely, just as a way to say that what you are doing means that the developers aren't getting any money from your purchase. Though I can see it had the completely wrong affect on you.

So you think it's for the player to decide but you don't know why some players are complaining yet you WANT that extra content. Wow!

You can't use the word steal and then pretend you didn't really mean it. Developers don't get any money from used sales because they aren't entitled to it. Why is that so damn hard to understand? No other industry gets to double dip in the second hand market and contrary to the bleeding hearts beliefs, the game industry is not special.

I fail to see your point. I will buy the game new regardless of the content, yes I do want it, but it's not going to be the reason to justify my new purchase. Sure developers aren't entitled to the money from pre-owned sales, but what makes you think the people who buy the games used are entitled to the additional content? Not my point, but it's really for the developers to decide.

As for you second point, read my previous post.

I'm sure that none of us are going to come to any sort of conclusion here because we're both completely on either end of the court and I don't think anything either of us say is going to make the other person think otherwise.

It's not additional content, it's content pulled from the game to punish used game buyers.

Quit acting like they are out to punish people. Its selfish of you to think that they are doing this just to make people suffer. They want to see more money for a game they put time and effort into, so they added an extra bit to the game that they control. The used retailers can't get you this piece of the game, only the makers, which promotes you to get a fresh game.

They are trying to discourage used sales, are they not?

That is one effect of what they are doing. The other is having a a way for people to get that extra bit of game if they want to buy a used game and still get everything.

A huge part of this is that the additional content is entirely optional. If you want to buy the game used, go do it and enjoy your game. If you think that a little more of that game would be nice, then go and buy the extra content. They are not forcing you to buy the game new. They are not forcing you to buy the extra content.

So there you have it, that is an effect of what they are doing so they are indeed punishing used buyers. Thanks

You are confusing discouraging and dissuading and twisting people's words. Stop that.

You can buy a new car, or you can buy this used car for a little less. The previous owners only drove it once before deciding they didn't like it, but they used the air freshener. If you want an air freshener in your used car, you will just have to go buy one yourself, as we don't feel obligated to provide one for you in this used car.

This is a metaphor for Gamestop by the way.

They are discouraging used sales by pulling content from the game and giving it only to new buyers. So yeah, punishing used buyers.

They are persuading people to buy new copies of the game by adding an extra bit on. You really should stop being so pessimistic.

As I said before, if they had wanted to, they could have charged everyone for this piece of the game. But if you buy a new copy of their game, assuring that they see some money back for all their hard work, you get this extra bit of the game at no additional charge.

 

[Vidi Kitty]

I don't know why people are always getting so upset by this. Developers are simply supporting those who support them. They aren't punished those who buy the game pre-owned, they are rewarding those who buy it new, and I think it's time that people realised that.

What's the difference? You can't give something extra to one group without the other group missing out on something. In fact, isn't the whole point of giving something extra to the group who buys new designed to discourage from buying used?

I wish gamers would stop supporting companies who openly declare war on consumer ownership rights by trying to devalue a product the moment you try to resell it.

BTW, I am sure you do KNOW why people are getting upset about this. You did read the thread right?

The difference? ID are only restricting a very small amount of content in a 20 hour game. Content that ID even said most gamers will overlook and ignore anyway, I just think it's cool that developers are giving us small freebies for giving something back to them. But I'm also annoyed that it has gotten to this point where developers feel that they have to de this to make money from their games. This clearly shows that used sales are a massive problem for developers. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that developers have done to prevent used sales (CAPCOM's one save system), because this makes the product almost useless for people that do decide to buy the games used.

Also, I do not understand why people are getting upset about this. Yes I did read the thread, but it just don't understand why people think they can pretty much "steal" from developers and be expected to get treated as equally as those who buy the game new.

Well, it can't be both ways. You can't say "it's not a big deal since it's such a small, insignificant amount of content" and also say "it's great that they are doing this for new buyers". If the first is true then it isn't much of a bonus and not even worth considering buying new for which makes the second statement meaningless.

Publishers are getting greedy, it isn't that they HAVE to do this, it's that they want more money. The game industry isn't in a position to need government bailouts, they are just getting greedy.

Buying used is stealing now? Don't you see how brainwashed you have become? Try to put yourself on the other side, what if someone told you that buying a used car was grand theft auto?

I think it's for the player to decide whether or not the content is worth it or not, sure it's a very small portion of the game, but I still want the content because I like to explore games as much as I can.

I did use the term stealing very loosely, just as a way to say that what you are doing means that the developers aren't getting any money from your purchase. Though I can see it had the completely wrong affect on you.

So you think it's for the player to decide but you don't know why some players are complaining yet you WANT that extra content. Wow!

You can't use the word steal and then pretend you didn't really mean it. Developers don't get any money from used sales because they aren't entitled to it. Why is that so damn hard to understand? No other industry gets to double dip in the second hand market and contrary to the bleeding hearts beliefs, the game industry is not special.

I fail to see your point. I will buy the game new regardless of the content, yes I do want it, but it's not going to be the reason to justify my new purchase. Sure developers aren't entitled to the money from pre-owned sales, but what makes you think the people who buy the games used are entitled to the additional content? Not my point, but it's really for the developers to decide.

As for you second point, read my previous post.

I'm sure that none of us are going to come to any sort of conclusion here because we're both completely on either end of the court and I don't think anything either of us say is going to make the other person think otherwise.

It's not additional content, it's content pulled from the game to punish used game buyers.

Quit acting like they are out to punish people. Its selfish of you to think that they are doing this just to make people suffer. They want to see more money for a game they put time and effort into, so they added an extra bit to the game that they control. The used retailers can't get you this piece of the game, only the makers, which promotes you to get a fresh game.

They are trying to discourage used sales, are they not?

That is one effect of what they are doing. The other is having a a way for people to get that extra bit of game if they want to buy a used game and still get everything.

A huge part of this is that the additional content is entirely optional. If you want to buy the game used, go do it and enjoy your game. If you think that a little more of that game would be nice, then go and buy the extra content. They are not forcing you to buy the game new. They are not forcing you to buy the extra content.

So there you have it, that is an effect of what they are doing so they are indeed punishing used buyers. Thanks

You are confusing discouraging and dissuading and twisting people's words. Stop that.

You can buy a new car, or you can buy this used car for a little less. The previous owners only drove it once before deciding they didn't like it, but they used the air freshener. If you want an air freshener in your used car, you will just have to go buy one yourself, as we don't feel obligated to provide one for you in this used car.

This is a metaphor for Gamestop by the way.

Was the air freshener built into the car? If not it's not a good metaphor. This seems better suited for something outside of the game all-together, like a game manual or box-art.

It could have been. Honestly since the 'air freshener' in question is part of the 'car', you shouldn't have had to ask that. Either way it is part of the experience of driving that car. It doesn't make the car faster or make it run better.

I would like to argue that entire sections of gameplay aren't akin to your car smelling a certain way. To me it would be akin to not getting part of the car body. "Buy used, we remove the spoiler."

Exactly. You don't get that piece, but it is not going to change how the car runs. You can still enjoy driving your car around all you want, and you never have to go and buy a new spoiler for it if you don't want one.

 

[Novokane]

i won't

 

[ender214]

This is entirely pointless. Game boycotts never work. Remember when MW2 got rid of dedicated servers on PC and a boycott group was created? Well check the boycott groups Steam page. Over half of them bought the game anyway, and MW2 achieved huge sales success. The only people that care about these issues are the people that really want the game and feel like they're getting cheated out of something from their dream game. They might not pre-order, but once they realize that nothing is going to be done in response to their boycott and the game releases, they'll be buying the game anyway.

Anyway, I really don't see what any of the boycotters are complaining about. It's basically free day 1 DLC that is neither pre-order exclusive nor retailer exclusive. Isn't that what people wanted? It's not like the DLC is a crucial part of the story, it's merely an extra area with some sidequests to do in it.