Poll: Camping In Online Games.

[shootthebandit]

what i always say is: "its not a noob tactic if theyre is a counter to it"

eg, the riot shield has a counter as it leaves you exposed, with no range and restricts vision/movement

the counter to camping is that people remember where you are, if you sit in the same spot or put your claymores in the same spot people are gonna own you. Shotgun Corner Campers have a major weakness, stun grenades, everyone has 2 so why not use them i think shotgun corner campers are annoying for 2 kills but after that just throw a flash and then shoot them in the face

one thing that annoys me worse than campers is the knife runners with marathon, lightweight commando and tac knife. And the noob runner who uses marathon lightweight commando and akimbo rangers

basically (interms of MW2) shotguns are bad

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

This is it. The best campers are the ones who find a hidey hole with one, possibly two easily controled chokepoints, and wait. The biggest issue lies in how many people will pass you. If it's been one person in two mins, you best move on. If it's been the entire team, you ain't got long to live. Honestly, if you can get a nuke by sitting in one spot on COD, you must be pretty good, or up against a team of morons.

Epic avatar as well. Gotta love Dad.

Your the first person to recognise it...thank you so much watcher of epic animations. I couldnt agree with you more, i play against and with pretty good players (i have a hardcore friend whos ratio is conistantly 2.9) and campers are not usualy a problem. We agree to take him out with grenades and shotguns and work together to butcher him mercilessly. Camping never beats tactics.

 

[blood77]

This is it. The best campers are the ones who find a hidey hole with one, possibly two easily controled chokepoints, and wait. The biggest issue lies in how many people will pass you. If it's been one person in two mins, you best move on. If it's been the entire team, you ain't got long to live. Honestly, if you can get a nuke by sitting in one spot on COD, you must be pretty good, or up against a team of morons.

Epic avatar as well. Gotta love Dad.

Your the first person to recognise it...thank you so much watcher of epic animations. I couldnt agree with you more, i play against and with pretty good players (i have a hardcore friend whos ratio is conistantly 2.9) and campers are not usualy a problem. We agree to take him out with grenades and shotguns and work together to butcher him mercilessly. Camping never beats tactics.

That seems to be the real issue, people have a tough time dealing with campers one on one. I know it can be kind of annoying some times dealing with campers if your the only one trying to deal with it. I guess then what I am trying to say is that if you have a problem with campers, find a buddy to help you.

Also I am a big fan of Dad as well

 

[oreopizza47]

This is it isnt it. The "scrub" debate. This is what it comes down to. Why do you hate campers. Really think about it. Is it because they beat you? More thank likely, i personally think camping is ok in well balanced games because theres always a rock to their scissors as someone aptly said before, its an effective strategy and it works but expect to get hit by some rocks. However in games where for example there is only one entrance to a room or a ladder to an objective the camper has no way of being defeated. This makes the game unfair.

To clarify i employ what i like to call the "humming bird" strategy. I will hold a room for 1 or 2 kills then move to a different room or position to watch my first position. When someone comes to kill me in position one i kill them then move to position three while covering position two. See how this works? Its pretty fool proof assuming the enemy doesnt catch on.

in all fairness, when a single person can sit and contribute nothing, and then wipe a squad of people out of luck with a high-powered weapon, it's really not cool. i hate campers and i will admit it's partially because they kill me, but also because it ruins the game for others. it's like hacking, but more easily acessible. actually, i've used your hummingbird tactic, quite effective.

 

[Zannah]

Every halfdecent game (read: all shooters I've played so far) provides you with some kind of a) explosives b) grenades or c) flash/stun/smoke grenades, all of which can easily be utilized to overcome a camper sitting in one spot, assuming he got you, because you passed by an common camping spot without proper caution.
In addition, most rooms in most games have more than one entrance.
If you cannot overcome someone, even with all those tools readily available, you deserve it.
If someone continues to change his position in a limited area with lots of cover - that's not camping, that's strategy.
And even in those two cases, no one forces you to keep running into that room / down that corridor (assuming the map isn't total shite).

So we conclude - if you get killed by a camper (more than once): It's your own bloody fault.

 

[Malyc]

Certain kinds of camping are okay, like sniping. You can't snipe efficiently unless you have a spot where it is somewhat difficult for people to sneak up on you, or if you have to move after every shot.

Now spawn camping, on the other hand, is an offense that should be punishible by death, or at least being banned from the game. If you can't get out of the place you spawn in, how can you expect to have any chance of winning the match? I guess this is why, in most fps games, i will personally hunt down, kill, and force to ragequit people who spawn camp.

 

[oOPandemoniumOo]

Not in my opinion, very little campers manage to hold out for long. Tactics or teamwork can take down a camper, I have never played halo but I'm pretty sure it has grenades, If all he does is camp round a corner then throw one round there to either kill him or make him panic enough for you to shoot him easily.

 

[Kanima423]

To me some camping is alright, such as to defend your objective. However if it turns into something like driving a vehicle behind a base and gunning everyone down as they spawn, then its not cool. Thats my two cents anyways.

 

[Bloodstain]

I like to camp.

Look at it this way: If the game was reality, you would do everything to survive, wouldn't you? Including camping. I like to look at games in a "How would it be if it was real" way (even in single player games, in my way of gaming there's a lot of role play involved).

In order to defeat a camper, how about simply throwing a grenade? Th camper will run away.

 

[rippd5]

I like to camp.

Look at it this way: If the game was reality, you would do everything to survive, wouldn't you? Including camping. I like to look at games in a "How would it be if it was real" way (even in single player games, in my way of gaming there's a lot of role play involved).

In order to defeat a camper, how about simply throwing a grenade? Th camper will run away.

How I play exactly, even playing a game like say.. Cod4 single player, I try to completely imagine myself as a soldier for a side, my training, ideals, attitude, fitness, etc.

 

[Snotnarok]

It's a strat, if you don't like what it is then figure a way around it.

In MW2 you find a player camping or you know there's a popular spot to camp, throw a stungrenade in there followed by a grenade. He can't move out of the way of it and he's dead, problem solved take point. Hell in MW2 if you KNOW someone is around a corner there's at least 10 guns that can SHOOT HIM THROUGH THE WALL. So if you're whining that it's unfair it's not, just shoot the bastard and when he goes back (because he will go back and you and I know it) you do it again.

It was hilarious in Bad Company 2, I shot a sniper behind a rock near his spawn, I called a mortar strike on the rock and lo, he ran BACK to the spot and got killed again. Campers are predictable, campers will be in corners or high windows, and they will ALWAYS go back. So just wait for them to come back, put a claymore in his chair, stand in a spot off to the side with your favorite knife and wait for him to take his spot back.

Whining about a camper lets them win, constantly killing them and laughing about it lets YOU win.

 

[sephiroth1991]

Camping is only for the new players who are still getting a feel for the game. As a legit tactic it pretty much shows that the player is too scared to actually play properly. Defending is different as long as your under constant attack they you may stay in the area, just don't sit in the corner sucking your thumb, you big baby.

 

[-Samurai-]

I think in a TDM mode, it's just lazy. Get your ass up and move. In an "attackers vs defenders" kind of mode, it's ok, as long as it isn't that whole "sit in a corner and never take a step" kind of camping. There is no reason the attacking team should ever camp. That's the kind of shit that makes me sick. Especially when I'm on the attacking team, we have a time limit to complete an objective, and my team hasn't taken a step from their spawn.

As far a sniping, people are dead wrong when they say you have to camp. If people knew the first thing about sniping, they'd know that you're supposed to shoot, then move. Not sit in the same place all day. Having a scope doesn't justify sitting in the same spot all day.

I like to camp.

Look at it this way: If the game was reality, you would do everything to survive, wouldn't you? Including camping. I like to look at games in a "How would it be if it was real" way (even in single player games, in my way of gaming there's a lot of role play involved).

In order to defeat a camper, how about simply throwing a grenade? Th camper will run away.

How I play exactly, even playing a game like say.. Cod4 single player, I try to completely imagine myself as a soldier for a side, my training, ideals, attitude, fitness, etc.

Your training wouldn't tell you to sit in a corner, would it? No.

 

[Thomas Drake]

I understand why people get annoyed by camping and I will admit to getting pissed when I get killed by a camper but I accept it and consider it completely respectable. The simplest arguement is made that it wors and requires a person to take use all possible advantages to win (without cheating, hacking, and that crap) If you are a good sniper or just good at ambushing rather than running and gunning then by all means camp away, whether your on my team or not.

 

[Xanadu84]

Camping is never, never, NEVER an unfair style of play. It's a competition. It is fun based on the premise that you are trying to win. In order to work as a game, you have to have people trying to figure out strategies that will help them succeed. Camping is potentially one of those strategies. In fact, unless you are hacking, useing exploits, or in other ways breaking the rules, you are not doing anything unfair. Ever.

Legitimate criticism of camping comes in 3 flavors. One is game design. If camping is an overpowered strategy that gives one side an extreme advantage, or if it is a strategy that destroys the flow of the game, that is the designers fault. They should have made it so it is not such a powerful strategy which distracts from the fun. Complaining that a camper is useing an unfair strategy, as opposed to lack of foresight on the developers part, is in many ways akin to telling a person that their aim is too good, and it is unfair that they acquire a target and fire that fast. In fact, such a complaint would be slightly more legitimate, since its a criticism of a person useing twitch aiming, which can be effected by factors like lag, as opposed to camping's utilization of strategy. Putting blame on a player, and not a designer, is nothing more then telling the person that they shouldn't try to win.

The second legitimate complaint is that the camper is useing a strategy that is unfair TO THEM. The best example I can think of is a heavy use of Snipers in TF2. The player is getting a pretty decent K/D ratio I will bet. However, they are doing nothing to advance the objectives, essentially dooming the side to a slow death. It makes sense to tell your teammate to stop camping, in the same way you would criticize them for being a noob. When your opponent complains about camping, well, frustrating your opponent is the whole point, isn't it?

The last complaint regarding camping is one that puts the fault cleanly on the shoulders of the complainer. Lets take a hypothetical Counterstrike player. He is having a good time on the CT team, when suddenly, he is switched to the Terrorists. He moves into the area to bomb, and finds the entire CT team camping the objective. Laments and curses of, "F-ing Campers" follow. Now, games are supposed to be fun, and it is clear that this player is not having fun. Camping is to blame, certainly. However, the reason it is not fun is because the complainer simply doesn't like the game mechanic. Lots of other people are having a blast, which is exactly what the developers wanted. They can't please everyone, and sometimes, you are in the minority who is dissatisfied. It happens. If I didn't like building structures, I wouldn't play a RTS. If I didn't like shooting, I wouldn't play a FPS. If copious amounts of gore bothered me, I wouldn't play Mortal Kombat. And if balancing risk and reward for assaulting a defensive position wasn't my cup of tea, well I would be aware of those games where camping might lesson my fun. But that's my taste, not something to whine about.

 

[Flying-Emu]

the Spys knife in TF2

What.

How is the Spy's knife "poorly implemented?" It's in place for the exact reason you bring up; countering other strategies I.E. Hoovy Rush. The knife isn't "OP," because if your team has competent pyros, the Spy can't get close enough.

 

[Chappy]

I thought Campers made themselves more vulnerable at times on Halo because camping and using a scope on a weapon negates your ability to check your radar without zooming back out, so someone could get the drop on you if you aren't careful.

The alternative of camping with close range weapons I personally don't like that but people will do what they have to if they want to win and you can get past it on a second attempt if the camper isn't to smart or if you are clever about it. For example I believe on Reach you have a special ability you can have like cloaking or a EMP shield? why not use Cloaking and crouch walking to sneak past without appearing on radar or the EMP blast after the shield to knock the camper over and finish him off?

Also same goes for spawn camping I don't think that is a fair trick to use.

 

[ClunkiestTurtle]

I think camping is really only a game breaking problem in MW2 as like the OP says other games or more accurately other games just as popular like TF2 are well balanced to account for these problems but no amount of careful planning can avoid the fact that some people will always want to play this way and always look for ways to exploit the map to get easy cheap kills so they always win.

 

[PauL o_O]

Congradulations. It took you until now to realize how badly campers have fucked online games.