I have yet to get my drivers license, but when I will get it I will take my driving lessons in manual car.
Recently, yes, European cars started building cars that have advanced collision systems and still be efficient vehicles. Before the 90s, that wasn't the case. In America, we all know the bigger vehicle wins. Bigger means heavier, and heavier means bad gas milage.SakSak said:Funny way of showing that. To me it looked like you were trying make excuses. I'm not trying to one-up you, I'm trying to tell the truth of the situation and it seemed like you didn't know it.paypuh said:I was trying to agree with you, but you seem to want to one-up me for some reason.
True. And that is the major part of the problem: America has had way too cheap fuel for far too long. There has been no economic force pushing for diesel engines or higher fuel efficiency or lowered weight/retained safety. And as you said, a few decades back the situation regarding safety would have been different. But we are looking at the current day.paypuh said:Recently, yes, European cars started building cars that have advanced collision systems and still be efficient vehicles. Before the 90s, that wasn't the case. In America, we all know the bigger vehicle wins. Bigger means heavier, and heavier means bad gas milage.SakSak said:Funny way of showing that. To me it looked like you were trying make excuses. I'm not trying to one-up you, I'm trying to tell the truth of the situation and it seemed like you didn't know it.paypuh said:I was trying to agree with you, but you seem to want to one-up me for some reason.
So I do agree with you, but I am also looking beyond just this decade. As long as vehicles pass emission testing in certain states, there was no reason to raise the efficency when gas was only $0.80 or less a gallon. That's why General Motors is failing.
well just like america, other countries have cities and then have long open roads...scumofsociety said:..and of course Europe is nothing but empty, open country roads.Gruthar said:I don't think it's quite that simple. I think it has more to do with how roads are typically laid out in the US. Americans in general do quite of bit of driving, thanks to sprawl. Most of that driving is stop-and-go driving, in traffic, from stoplight to stoplight. Driving with a manual transmission can get old real fast when you're crawling along from light to light in a straight line.
my car weighs over 4000 pounds. and is most definitely RWD.Nutcase said:I prefer manual transmission simply because it's more fun. Learned to drive on a heavy RWD car with something like 60/40 balance, manual trans, no ABS brakes and naturally no traction control. We have snow and ice six months a year. I had a couple of close calls (most of them on steep ice-covered hills), but never had an accident.
can't beat american muscle for that delicious loud ass grumble that real cars make.Wyatt said:scumofsociety said:Wyatt said:yeah? well if it wasnt for our major firms building tanks 60 years ago you all would be speaking German today
(Jesus dont spam quote me, its a friggen joke)Awesome! We'd have those cool uniforms and...er, I mean:
Well if it wasn't for us colonising the East coast you'd be FRENCH! HA! Beat that!
(I was well aware of that from first comment, the "" did clue me in, although I suppose you are writing that for the benefit of others)
you got me, i quit *snicker* id MUCH rather be German than French.
and yeah it was more or less for others, i had like 3 or 4 replys of 'DEWD Euro cars RULEEE!!11!!' to my first comment.
even had a PM from some nitwit giving me all the reason that the Euro car makers will take over the world and free us oppressed Americans from the evil Big 3 ............ eventualy ..... sometime in the next 2,000 years anyhow.
Is that with or without taxpayer bailouts?Wyatt said:even had a PM from some nitwit giving me all the reason that the Euro car makers will take over the world and free us oppressed Americans from the evil Big 3 ............ eventualy ..... sometime in the next 2,000 years anyhow.
Well yes, of course...my point was there is a fuck of a lot of stop start traffic in Europe, probably just as much as the US, so that doesn't necessarily explain why automatic is preferred in the US but manual is preferred in Europe...perhaps you just weren't catching the slightly sarcastic tone of my statement. What I meant by that was 'we (Europe) are very urbanised and densely pupulated with an overcrowded road network'.la-le-lu-li-lo said:well just like america, other countries have cities and then have long open roads...scumofsociety said:..and of course Europe is nothing but empty, open country roads.Gruthar said:I don't think it's quite that simple. I think it has more to do with how roads are typically laid out in the US. Americans in general do quite of bit of driving, thanks to sprawl. Most of that driving is stop-and-go driving, in traffic, from stoplight to stoplight. Driving with a manual transmission can get old real fast when you're crawling along from light to light in a straight line.
so i really don't think that applies. i think if you lived in the city anywhere, where there's lots of stop and go traffic, an automatic would be far more convenient.
perhaps not, as it can sometimes be difficult without the inflection of voice to gauge it by.scumofsociety said:Well yes, of course...my point was there is a fuck of a lot of stop start traffic in Europe, probably just as much as the US, so that doesn't necessarily explain why automatic is preferred in the US but manual is preferred in Europe...perhaps you just weren't catching the slightly sarcastic tone of my statement. What I meant by that was 'we are very urbanised and densly pupulated with an overcrowded road network'.