Poll: Can you hate gay culture and not be homophobic?

[Thistlehart]

To be honest. I'm gay, and I hate the majority of the "Gay Community." They're obnoxious and seriously need to rein themselves in a bit.

To reinforce my point, here's a little something by my favorite angry bird (because he says it so much better than I can).
http://ranting-gryphon.com/Audio/Rants/2rant-gay_pride.mp3

 

[Neko Pounce]

Yeah, I think so.

I'm gay as all hell, but I don't go around yelling " I WANT BUTTSEX " at people.
And those gays that do, well, it irritates the hell out of me.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

Yeah, sure you can, doesn't mean they have to stop though. I used to be like you and think 'being straight doesn't play a large part of my character' but it does, it actually plays a massive part. I can imagine a gay person would become quite uncomfortable with how I act.

We're both allowed to complain about how we don't like each other's personality.

 

[bluepotatosack]

I don't know if there's really one all encompassing gay culture. A friend of mine was working on a documentary a while back about the clash between the gay communities on Fire Island. Which were pretty much divided along class lines.

And I'm pretty sure all the gay punk rockers don't go in for the club scene that the media seems to love.

 

[LilithSlave]

I'm not sure about such a thing, because it strattle a fine line. In general such a thing will resemble it far too much, though. The question is essentially like asking "can you hate African-American culture and not be racist?". Well, maybe technically, but...

Especially since the word "hate" is involved. And it involves an entire culture. Making, not just an aspect or two, making one think that the only reason one hates it because it is gay or black or ect.

but I still think it's obnoxious to flaunt your sexuality

That's not homophobic. And it certainly doesn't sum up the gay culture.

 

[dead.juice]

I can live with this, this is somebody preference:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQue9zNqLGR9wGU25Dno32ySLy01-cDMFQAVn8V2qd91RS8n0c6


But this shit is stupid. It hurts the gay image. I believe this is part of the reason society hasn't been able to accept gays. It's looks like a fetish, not a choice.
http://www.seanbaby.com/news/images/glaad02.jpg

 

[MadmanHobart]

Can't believe the thread that caused me to make a profile was this one, oh well it was going to happen eventually.

I do believe it is possible to hate those extreme offsets of the gay community without hating gays as a whole, however that stance will not be taken seriously by people who strongly defend or oppose the homosexual community only see in black and white. Strangely enough this is how I see a lot of minority rights movements, I have no problems with these people but I have a problem with you trying to say that a minority should have more power than a majority, how does that make any sense? But I digress

My personal philosophy towards gays is be as gay as you want, as long as you don't hit on me or insult me we are cool.

My job forces me to deal with a lot of homosexuals for long periods of time so I treat them based of there merits as individuals. However first impressions are always key and I don't always have time to chit chat when working to get to know all of my passengers so a bit of generalizing based off of prior experience is done to save my time, its not right but I do what I must so everyone can have a safe and comfortable trip.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Well, as you're not hating them for being gay, then no.

I hate anybody, regardless of gender and sexuality, flaunting their sexuality. Keep it to yourself, people, we don't give a shit.

 

[FarleShadow]

I don't hate gay people anymore than I hate straight people.

I hate the gay people who make it their entire identity, like nothing else in their life has any meaning aside from which gender they like to stick in their dicks in.

But then I hate everyone who does that, I mean seriously, one guy introduced himself like this:

"Hi my name's David and I'm a vegan!"

No, my friend, you are a fucking tool.

 

[ace_of_something]

Well my older brother is gay and he constantly says how much other gay people annoy him. specifically the kind who feel they need to be oppositional about it. (specifically mean) he's a very quiet, reserved, and not very sarcastic... Most people don't think he's gay unless he tells them. So people don't believe him either. I think it's because he's 7 feet tall but who knows?

 

[Grospoliner]

Obviously yes. Because you can still love German culture and hate Nazis, because you can hate German culture without hating Nazis, and because you can do everything in between.

 

[AlAaraaf74]

You must be talking about the stereotypical gay guy. I only know about 10 gay guys at my school, and only one of them flaunts his gayness around. Here's an interesting skit we saw in Drama class today, by coincidence.


@0:45

 

[getarealhaircut]

Hating African Tribal music doesn't make you a racist so no hating gay culture doesn't make you homophobic.

Its like not liking a dress style or cats.

 

[TJC]

"Hi my name's David and I'm a vegan!"

No, my friend, you are a fucking tool.

Thank you for summarizing my opinion in these neat little two lines.

same goes for out-and-proud furries or gamers (especially these HARDCORE gamers). Being obnoxious about something that is but a tiny part of you (hopefully... if being a gamer, or a furry, or gay is all that there is to you then you don't deserve my scorn but my pity) is just plain dumb.

That being said, CSDs are fucking crazyawesome parties whether you're gay or straight.

 

[Jegsimmons]

i dont mind gay people, but i hate the metrosexual/flameing crap. I thought it was a sexual preference, not a fashion, and honestly, it looks stupid. The lisp is forced and annoying, the 'walk' looks ridiculous, and they look stupid wearing all pink with scarves (in spring mind you) and the bad hair style.

cant you be gay and act like a normal person? Not likes its that hard, and it will make people more sympathetic to your cause because you draw attention like a weirdo.

The gay people that do act normal, you'd never know they were gay unless it was your business. And I'd say that's the case for the majority. Of course it's only the ones that stand out and make themselves obvious that are noticed.

and unfortunately, they become the stereotype, because, well, they're the only ones that let people outright know. and that cause a domino effect to where it just sucks for everyone

 

[girzwald]

I'd say that "hating it" would be going a bit too far... But I don't think anyone should have to like it. I mean, I'm grateful that the pride-movement exist and remind certain people that they will never be able to oppress them back in the closet, but I don't actually like the culture very much.
But honestly, not every gay person does act like advertised. The vast majority are completly "normal", which is something that often fails to be mentioned. You don't morph into a rainbow-coloured stereotype the moment you come out.

So all in all, I wouldn't say it would be homophobic in the least to dislike the culture, at least the more irritating elements of it.

Yes, you in fact can. And in fact, most people are NOT homophobic.

The whole homophobic thing is been blown WAY out of proportion. Anything and everything that does not either 100% accept or praise homosexuality is deemed "homophobic".

I don't like homosexuality, I think its wrong. HOMOPHOBE!

I think gay pride parades have turned into disgusting displays of debauchery. HOMOPHOBE.

I think 2 dudes making out in public is a disgusting and unappealing sight. HOMOPHOBE.

It's all just political correctness and therefor bullying into accepting a lifestyle that most people don't approve of. They don't want tolerance. They already have that. No, they want acceptance. And bullying people into acceptance, when they already tolerate......only pushes more people away.

Perhaps. But I can't really see what it is that is so unthinkable to accept... Furthermore, what type of tolerance are we speaking of? "We will not outright kill and persecute you" or "We will grant you the same rights and treat you just like any regular citizens"? There is a difference there.

If I asked you a bunch of questions.......I'll bet I could find a bunch of people and lifestyles you do not accept, yet merely tolerate. And don't insult my intelligence by saying "I accept everyone". BS.

And besides marriage, which is debatable whether that's a "right" or not. Name a right gays are denied.

Certainly. Quite a few, and I can't remember saying that I accept everyone, myself. But I do tend to base what I accept and what I don't on merit beyond tradition or an initial sense of unease.

And to name one right that is often denied in several countries is the right to exist as a homosexual, where that is punishable with fines, prisontime or the death penalty in the more extreme cases.

Of course, that is (not anymore) not the case in most Western nations. But still, in many nations (and states, in the case of the U.S.) it is not possible to have a recognized relationship if it's same-sex. Now, this is not marriage, as I'm barred from taking that up.
And then, there is the question of adoption. Apparently, it makes all the difference in the world if a couple who wishes to adobt a child happen to be of the same sex.
And additionally, many countries don't have legislation against discrimination based on sexual orientation.

And that is the legal side of the matter. The fact remain that pressure is constantly put to revoke the rights that have already been secured, to say nothing of increasing them. And then, there is the simple issue that you can be beaten down (and possibly murdered) by a complete stranger because of your orientation.

Adoption is not a right.

And nice strawman, aside from fringe groups, there is no massive movement, hell or even ANY movement of any significance whatsoever that is trying to "revoke the rights" of gays in the US. Even groups like the westboro baptist church don't talk about taking away gays rights or killing them.

And yes, you were barred, yet mentioned anyway. Marriage or "having a recognized relationship" is debatable whether its a right or not. Since their is no federal documentation guaranteeing or prohibiting such things. Which is why you were barred.

So, did you have a right that gays were being denied or not?

You sound just like those jackasses who were opposed to interracial marriage all those years ago. Some things never change I guess. And while you are right that adoption and marriage being a right is debatable, do you want to know what is a right? How about the right to not be discriminated? How about the whole "...created equal" thing? Right now gays are being discriminated against simply because they choose to be a certain way, and if you cannot accept that then congratulations on being an idiot. There are actually laws in some states in the USA which makes it OK for gays to be bullied and ridiculed. The most obvious example is that law in Michigan which makes it OK to bully homosexuals if you also happen to be Christian. If you do not know about these things then I think its high time to step out of that privileged bubble enveloping around you and open your eyes.

Edit: forgot to add, maybe you should learn what a straw-man actually is. Its an informal fallacy, and logical fallacies are replacements of an arguments, not additive to one. So no those are not straw-mans you idiot. In fact, the way you invoked the straw-man fallacies is in itself a straw-man. How about bringing a real argument on why it is OK for homosexuals to be discriminated against when it comes to marriage, adoption or anything else? After all you have said that there are no rights being denied so I guess free of discrimination is not a right according to you. What document can you provide me that it is OK to discriminate when it comes to marriage? Can I provide a document which says marriage and adoption should be free of discrimination? Oh yes I can it is THE US CONSTITUTION, and just like it was used to defend interracial marriage, the same can be applied to homosexuals.

On-topic: Yes those overly flaming homosexuals are annoying, but are a by product of an important movement, and thus a necessary evil I guess you can say. Just like when blacks fought against discrimination there were some overly assertive black people, and just like when women in general fought against discrimination there were what you would call Fem-Nazis. Going by the trends of other movements before them I'd say the gay pride thing is working.

Also Ive read several people here comment on how "...I wouldn't flaunt my heterosexuality and make parades and stuff.." (paraphrased, obviously), and to this I say: Really? Of course you wouldn't flaunt it, you don't have to since its ALREADY ACCEPTED. Your way of life is the norm and no one is going to discriminate against you for it so you do not feel the need to express a sort of pride for it. I bet you anything if the tables would turn you would be right smack dab in the middle of hetero pride parades.

Wow. What a huge crock. There's a law in Michigan that says "Its ok to bully gays". Theres a difference between "I think homosexuality is wrong, and a hell worthy tresspass"(which no doubt someone would say is "bullying") and "You are a disgusting fag". Which is quite irrelevant anyway, since as unsavory as it might be. This is an issue of free speech. And besides. I don't see such protections for other groups. Its still legal to call kids "four eyes" or make fun of the kid named "Dan Druff". Where are those laws and protections and why aren't you outraged about them? And before you say "gay kids commit suicide over things like that". Well, so do other kids for the reasons they get picked on which have nothing to do with homosexuality.

And no, it is NOT debatable whether adoption is a right or not. Is is NOT a right. You do NOT have the right to adopt a child. Adoption is a privilege.

And thats a stupid reason to "flaunt your homosexuality" in a parade. So wait, people don't accept it, therefore, flaunting it in some of the most disgusting manners possible, will make people accept it? Wow, superior logic there. No, gay pride parades are one the BIGGEST reasons people don't "accept gays". If being homosexual is normal and great, why do you need to "flaunt it" at all? Its not like nobody is aware of your existence or that you are "proud to be gay". Which is another puzzler. If its normal and great. Why are you "proud" of it? I've never been "proud" of my heterosexuality, which is considered normal. I don't define who I am as a person, by my sexuality.

Maybe homosexuality would become more mainstream or even "accepted" if gays started acting like regular citizens, and only mentioning their sexuality when it comes up in relevant conversation. "Are you seeing anyone?" "Yes, I have a boyfriend". Instead of WOOHOOO LOOK AT ME, I'M GAY, DEAL WITH IT WORLD, *dances on float with ass-less chaps on*.

 

[Smeggs]

There really isn't a "culture" I don't think. Someone is gay or they aren't, just like someone is straight, or someone is black or white. What OP is talking about sounds more like a bunch of attention whores who just happen to be gay.

"LOOK AT ME! I'M PART OF A GROUP THAT IS CONTROVERSIAL IN THE PUBLIC EYE! NOTICE ME!"

 

[FernandoV]

I hate the LGBT community; never has the popular representation of a group been so embarrassing. I am therefore part of the "Gay Tribe"; it sounds much cooler.

 

[Jennacide]

Of course you can. It's basically hating the people that are in your face about something. Like how I had insane sports fans, or the deaf culture. (As in, the actual culture from deaf people, it infuriates me) I don't instictively hate people for liking sports or being deaf, but if they're in my face about it, I will hate them for that. Just like if I went around going "YEAH, I'M A GIRL GAMER, SO WHAT?" I'd expect people to punch me for it.

Oh yeah, that should be on the list to. Insane sports fans, deaf culture, and 'grrl gamerz' morons. I'd probably actually enact violence on the last group for giving people like myself a bad name and causing lame stigmas.

 

[girzwald]

Please point to the document that says being able to marry is a right. Which is why I said beside that, name a right gays are being denied. But you conveniently ignored that part of what I said.

Also. Nice strawmen arguments.

Would I consider the westboro baptist church fringe? Uhh ya. Seeing how pretty much their entire "church" is made up of family members and almost nobody else. Thats pretty fringe.

The mormon church? You mean the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? They are fighting to deny gays rights? Musta missed that one. Source? Wont hold my breath.

And the biggest strawman.......the republican party. OOOOOO BOOGYMAN!!!!!!!! Won't dignify the ridiculousness of this statement.

I'm not sure you can accuse someone of using a strawman and then come back with "OOOOO BOOGYMAN" in the same breath. I'm fairly certain the logical fallacy police take away your credentials for that.

Yes I can. Because blaming "the republican party" is blaming a boogyman. Since "the republican party" includes every single person who is a registered republican or claims to be a republican. And like every single one is in lock step and doing whatever said person the "republican party" claims they are doing. And its just an excuse to blame and demonize some mysterious powerful force to rally against.