Thats like saying your 3rd grade daughter's macaroni picture is better than the mona lisa because not everyone can afford the mona lisa. Its a flawed argument.williebaz said:
Poll: Console RTS >PC RTS
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That was my reaction too up until reading the part where he says consoles have better graphics than PC's. I am starting to think that he may be a troll, because nobody in their right mind would dispute that PC's have superior graphics, especially when it comes to a genre such as RTS.Trivun said:If anyone's a troll, it's you. Stop posting stupid pictures that contribute nothing to the thread. If anyone else reads this, please report this guy too. He's just trying to flame the OP because he disagrees with what the OP thinks. I hope you learn your lesson, mate.lordlee said:
This is really an argument between the comparative virtues of the keyboard/mouse can console controller set-up. This is especially obvious when you remember that you can buy a console control for you computer.
Keyboard/mouse wins every time. It just has more buttons. Furthermore, typing has made it so that these buttons are in intuitive locations. If you can word process, you can pick up gaming controls on a computer. I would venture to suppose that the best console control RTS player would get the stuffing beaten out of him by an adequate player interfacing with a keyboard and a mouse.
As said before, we are only talking of the peripheral controlling device; we are not talking about the core system. Go find the touch-table/vocal interface for Warcraft III on Youtube. That kicks ass. While it is designed for a computer, it can easily be adapted for a console.
Keyboard/mouse wins every time. It just has more buttons. Furthermore, typing has made it so that these buttons are in intuitive locations. If you can word process, you can pick up gaming controls on a computer. I would venture to suppose that the best console control RTS player would get the stuffing beaten out of him by an adequate player interfacing with a keyboard and a mouse.
As said before, we are only talking of the peripheral controlling device; we are not talking about the core system. Go find the touch-table/vocal interface for Warcraft III on Youtube. That kicks ass. While it is designed for a computer, it can easily be adapted for a console.
Generally, Gaming-quality PCs are more powerful than consoles; however, console games are optimized specifically for a certain console, whereas PC games ahve to work across a wide range of hardware - saying "x graphics > y graphics" is pretty stupid in and of itself because, well, an XBox 360 is an XBox 360, but a PC can be a netbook, an average Joe's desktop, or a multi-thousand dollar god-in-a-box. Games like GTAIV work better on consoles simply because they were terribly optimized for the PC; similarly, the Orange Box wasn't very well done for the PS3 so the PC version tends to work a little better.
I've never played a console RTS, so I'll withhold judgment. Especially since I'm more of a PC gamer than a console gamer so I'll probably have a biased opinion anyway.
I've never played a console RTS, so I'll withhold judgment. Especially since I'm more of a PC gamer than a console gamer so I'll probably have a biased opinion anyway.
I fix't that for you.Machines Are Us said:That was my reaction too up until reading the part where he says consoles have better graphics than PC's. I am starting to think that he may be a troll, because nobody in their right mind would dispute that PC's have superior CONTROLS, especially when it comes to a genre such as RTS.Trivun said:If anyone's a troll, it's you. Stop posting stupid pictures that contribute nothing to the thread. If anyone else reads this, please report this guy too. He's just trying to flame the OP because he disagrees with what the OP thinks. I hope you learn your lesson, mate.lordlee said:
It depends on the PC. I have a laptop and the graphics are terrible, and I would agree that when playing games on my laptop the graphics are really bad, while they're brilliant on my Xbox 360. However, when playing games on my PC at home (i.e. the family PC), then the graphics are really good and are superior to consoles. I've experienced this so I should know. So there's no evidence at all to suggest that the OP is a troll, especially given he actually has a lot of posts and I've only ever seen the OP post valid points on this site up to now.Machines Are Us said:That was my reaction too up until reading the part where he says consoles have better graphics than PC's. I am starting to think that he may be a troll, because nobody in their right mind would dispute that PC's have superior graphics, especially when it comes to a genre such as RTS.Trivun said:If anyone's a troll, it's you. Stop posting stupid pictures that contribute nothing to the thread. If anyone else reads this, please report this guy too. He's just trying to flame the OP because he disagrees with what the OP thinks. I hope you learn your lesson, mate.lordlee said:
I usually say one version is just as good as the other (I still believe that with any shooter), but even I have to admit that consoles just don't have enough buttons to allow effective control of RTS units. On a posistive note, fighting games are way better on consoles so it evens out.
Hey, are you that guy who made that thread about halo wars a while ago?Trivun said:If anyone's a troll, it's you. Stop posting stupid pictures that contribute nothing to the thread. If anyone else reads this, please report this guy too. He's just trying to flame the OP because he disagrees with what the OP thinks. I hope you learn your lesson, mate.lordlee said:
Anyway, back on topic. I played Halo Wars and it's one of my favourite RTSs, I feel that Halo Wars is a prime example of a console RTS done right. The controls work pretty well and they definitely fit the genre. However, I started playing PC RTSs with Total Annihilation years ago, and after AoE, DoW and Total War, I still much prefer the PC RTS. I have no doubt that console RTSs can be done well, Halo Wars and Red Alert 3 (apparently, I've seen it but never played it) are proof of this. It just depends on the developer and how exactly they can make the transition from PC based to Console based.
Haven't played Halo Wars, would like to though but not worth getting a console for.
I can't see how you could manage the amount of things you need to quick enough to play the game well, with a controller. I find it hard enough to keep on top of everything quick enough even after I know all the shortcuts and that with my keyboard. I had a RTS game for PS1 and it was alright, but it wasn't good enough to take me away from RA2 for very long.
I can't see how you could manage the amount of things you need to quick enough to play the game well, with a controller. I find it hard enough to keep on top of everything quick enough even after I know all the shortcuts and that with my keyboard. I had a RTS game for PS1 and it was alright, but it wasn't good enough to take me away from RA2 for very long.
I disagree, RTS' have always been more of PC thing than consoles. I just think they work better on the PC.
I'm gonna have to say you're wrong on this one, but by technicalities.
As for controls, thats obviously choice. I prefer click and drag, and the amount of hotkeys available on a keyboard, as well as just how much more fluid a high sensitivity mouse can be.
As for graphics, if you want to compare a console to PC for graphics, compare a console to a PC built for gaming, if even on the lower end, instead of a random PC you install games on but is primarily for internet access and work. In that case, the PC will win most of the time, or come very close if it is on the low end. Not to mention, especially in the RTS area, mods are an amazing thing, that happened to get restricted to PC, removing any value from the console RTS for me.
As for controls, thats obviously choice. I prefer click and drag, and the amount of hotkeys available on a keyboard, as well as just how much more fluid a high sensitivity mouse can be.
As for graphics, if you want to compare a console to PC for graphics, compare a console to a PC built for gaming, if even on the lower end, instead of a random PC you install games on but is primarily for internet access and work. In that case, the PC will win most of the time, or come very close if it is on the low end. Not to mention, especially in the RTS area, mods are an amazing thing, that happened to get restricted to PC, removing any value from the console RTS for me.
And not everyone has enough money to buy the consoles.williebaz said:
People seemed to think that a PC that can run the console games just as well if not better, are going to cost very high, but you can get a decent PC running high-end games for about as much as an Xbox 360 cost when it was first released.
Plus, the PC games have mods. Console games don't. I still play console games, I just prefer PC.
I love those games but my computer is crap so it wont run them for more than 4 minutesYuheJi said:
On topic I prefer the computer RTS Because they seem more diverse and deep than the consoles