I'm a pacifist. I would never intentionally kill another human being. I may shoot him in the foot, but I'm not going to kill them.
Poll: Could You Pull the Trigger?
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Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Probably, it depends on the situation, I think, and if I were in that situation, I probably wouldn't be able to shoot them from far away because I'd be to freaked out, but I could probably point it at them and get a bullet in, maybe killing them, most likely not.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd probably shoot faster, because if he gets past me, then he can get to them too.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I suppose it would, I mean if I stabbed someone, I'd have the full force of their body, and it would take a lot longer, whereas with a gun, it's just a small movement of your finger.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Again, I'd shoot faster, but if it were a "My life or theirs" situation, I'd probably try to save them, my life isn't hugely important to me.
Probably, it depends on the situation, I think, and if I were in that situation, I probably wouldn't be able to shoot them from far away because I'd be to freaked out, but I could probably point it at them and get a bullet in, maybe killing them, most likely not.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd probably shoot faster, because if he gets past me, then he can get to them too.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I suppose it would, I mean if I stabbed someone, I'd have the full force of their body, and it would take a lot longer, whereas with a gun, it's just a small movement of your finger.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Again, I'd shoot faster, but if it were a "My life or theirs" situation, I'd probably try to save them, my life isn't hugely important to me.
Q: Do you think you could take a life to defend your own.
A: Yes I think I could, but I have doubts it would sit well with me afterwords, no matter how much they deserved it.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
A: A little. I'd probably kill them faster and not feel as bad about it later.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: If I had to, I would honestly prefer to shoot someone than to stab them. A lot less traumatic to myself, and probably the victim as well since I am not trained in any form of melee weapons, and wouldn't really know where to hit for an instant kill.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: As much as it sucks to say it, I value no stranger's life above my own. If I possessed the means to save them I would, but if I only had the means to save myself, I would.
A: Yes I think I could, but I have doubts it would sit well with me afterwords, no matter how much they deserved it.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
A: A little. I'd probably kill them faster and not feel as bad about it later.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: If I had to, I would honestly prefer to shoot someone than to stab them. A lot less traumatic to myself, and probably the victim as well since I am not trained in any form of melee weapons, and wouldn't really know where to hit for an instant kill.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: As much as it sucks to say it, I value no stranger's life above my own. If I possessed the means to save them I would, but if I only had the means to save myself, I would.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own?
Quite easily.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd just make it hurt more before I killed him.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
None at all beyond which it closer to hand.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
I don't honestly know.
Quite easily.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
I'd just make it hurt more before I killed him.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
None at all beyond which it closer to hand.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
I don't honestly know.
For those of you making the argument that "if you incapacitate someone they will sue you" you do realize that killing someone is murder, which carries a high cost. Self defense is such a convuluted mess it'll be thrown out of court quickly and it probably won't happen. I'd much rather incapacitate someone and maybe get sued then have someones blood on my hands and end up in prison.
Shocked at the amount of responses of "In a heartbeat I could care less about anyone else" quite disturbing. Acting like every threat is a legitimate excuse to maim and kill.
Shocked at the amount of responses of "In a heartbeat I could care less about anyone else" quite disturbing. Acting like every threat is a legitimate excuse to maim and kill.
WEll i am going to confess something with you guys... i have no mental block against killing people. its not that i have an urge to or anything (and i never would unless in self defense or defense of others) but i don't really have a problem with it... does this make me weird? i mean i can imagine the sorrow i would feel i would be sad that i ended something as beautiful as life but it wouldn't be like a trauma or anything i would trouble myself over
flat out answer yes, I could kill. For some reason My logic is skewed and I know it. I would have no second thoughts. If someone threatens me of my family, they will die.
As far as ranged weapon vs. close up, It wouldnt matter. The result would be the same.
As far as ranged weapon vs. close up, It wouldnt matter. The result would be the same.
Q: Do you think you could take a life to defend your own?
A: Yes.
Q: The bad guy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
A: Depending on the family members in question, not really.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: No.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: Most likely not.
A: Yes.
Q: The bad guy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
A: Depending on the family members in question, not really.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: No.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: Most likely not.
It all depends.
If its for me, then yes
If its for one of my friends, yes again
If its for my girlfriend, without another thought, and i wouldent feel bad about it either.
other then that, like a bank robbery or somthing, i just dont know.
If its for me, then yes
If its for one of my friends, yes again
If its for my girlfriend, without another thought, and i wouldent feel bad about it either.
other then that, like a bank robbery or somthing, i just dont know.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Yes. It's all about fight or flight and I choose fight. It's just how I react to things. I don't like running away.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
That would make it worst for the Bad Guy. You don't threaten someone I love and just get away with it.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
No. I would want to look at my enemy in the face. I like things Up-Close and Personal.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Of course it would. It would add motivation. Just seeing someone getting hurt makes me react in their defense. Is it supposed to be normal to let people get hurt? To walk away when someone is suffering? Fuck that.
Yeah I like taking action as opposed to just sitting there and observing. Killing each other is a filthy thing but if I think it is right or in self defense I will do so without a second thought.
Yes. It's all about fight or flight and I choose fight. It's just how I react to things. I don't like running away.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
That would make it worst for the Bad Guy. You don't threaten someone I love and just get away with it.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
No. I would want to look at my enemy in the face. I like things Up-Close and Personal.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
Of course it would. It would add motivation. Just seeing someone getting hurt makes me react in their defense. Is it supposed to be normal to let people get hurt? To walk away when someone is suffering? Fuck that.
Yeah I like taking action as opposed to just sitting there and observing. Killing each other is a filthy thing but if I think it is right or in self defense I will do so without a second thought.
This is the threat of you dying. It is natural instinct for humans to fight to live. It's them or you. Would you die and let the person kill again? Do you think that's right?Codeman90 said:
Interesting to see the amount of people convinced it would be them doing the killing rather then them being killed for trying to "be a hero" not everyone with a gun is a mindless incompetent thug.
Oh well, I suppose that isn't the question asked in this thread.
Oh well, I suppose that isn't the question asked in this thread.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Yes. Not much of a doubt to be honest. I'm not emotional about killing, I have no issue with it. I wouldn't kill an innocent simply because I don't think it would be right. My amusement should not top someone's right to live. If they attack me then, I have a reason.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
Then it's no longer a matter of IF, just how. Even if they dropped the gun/bat/whatever, they signed their own death sentence.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I'd enjoy more "physical" means more. But objectively both would do.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No. Not unless I had reason to think they had a relevant "back history". It's still threatening an innocent. From the point where you threaten an innocent person's life for your own profit or amusement, you give up your own.
I don't get the whole ordeal about taking a life. I've though long and hard about it. I'm fully aware of the consequences, and I'm not some religious nut who'd rather ignore the reality of consequences (i.e.: Death. The end of existence.) in lieu of some soothing fantasy. I'm extremely aware I'd be ending a life forever, I'd be destroying a universe of possibilities... I've thought of every possibly horrifying detail. Of the blood, of the guts, of the despair and extreme decadence of it all... And I don't care. In fact I want to do it, for years I've been wanting it. I want to see the blood, and the life going away, and the result of all those synapses just shutting down. I just never had a reason.
I live by a code of logic. Logically, my amusement should not outrank someone's life. Nothing should outrank someone's life. Once you take an innocent life, you're implicitly accepting that kind of behavior as acceptable, you're accepting that it's all free game, you're giving up your own life.
Yes. Not much of a doubt to be honest. I'm not emotional about killing, I have no issue with it. I wouldn't kill an innocent simply because I don't think it would be right. My amusement should not top someone's right to live. If they attack me then, I have a reason.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
Then it's no longer a matter of IF, just how. Even if they dropped the gun/bat/whatever, they signed their own death sentence.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
I'd enjoy more "physical" means more. But objectively both would do.
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
No. Not unless I had reason to think they had a relevant "back history". It's still threatening an innocent. From the point where you threaten an innocent person's life for your own profit or amusement, you give up your own.
I don't get the whole ordeal about taking a life. I've though long and hard about it. I'm fully aware of the consequences, and I'm not some religious nut who'd rather ignore the reality of consequences (i.e.: Death. The end of existence.) in lieu of some soothing fantasy. I'm extremely aware I'd be ending a life forever, I'd be destroying a universe of possibilities... I've thought of every possibly horrifying detail. Of the blood, of the guts, of the despair and extreme decadence of it all... And I don't care. In fact I want to do it, for years I've been wanting it. I want to see the blood, and the life going away, and the result of all those synapses just shutting down. I just never had a reason.
I live by a code of logic. Logically, my amusement should not outrank someone's life. Nothing should outrank someone's life. Once you take an innocent life, you're implicitly accepting that kind of behavior as acceptable, you're accepting that it's all free game, you're giving up your own life.
I have a working medieval crossbow,Koeryn said:
OT:
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
A: yes, in a dead/live situation I do everything.
Q: The BadGuy is threatening not just your life, but your family's. Does this alter your reaction?
A: hell yes, now I not only "pull the trigger" now I'm going to make it a painful dead, my family is everything for me.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
A: no, the close kill will probably be more painful
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
A: no
You'd be surprised that we're all horribly little monsters capable of the most astoundingly horrifying things in the right circumstances. No exceptions. It's just a matter of being pushed in the right direction, some are just easier to "stimulate" than others.Codeman90 said:
Yes. I can only guess how I'd feel about it in retrospect, having to kill someone isn't the kind of thing you take lightly or forget, but I would do it if I had to.Koeryn said:
No.Koeryn said:
No.Koeryn said:
No.Koeryn said:
To those who say they would make an effort to only injure/incapacitate their attacker, not kill them, I have something to say:
If, as the OP's question suggests, the situation has degenerated to the point where your life is in danger and your only option is force, you're asking to be killed if you "go easy" on the attacker and use anything less than lethal force to stop them. If you shoot someone in a "non-vital" area, there's no guarantee that it will incapacitate them right away, just as there's no guarantee it won't kill them a few minutes later, after they've shot back and killed you. There are good reasons police don't "shoot people in the leg just to stop them".
1: There is no safe place to shoot someone. Shoot someone in the shoulder in real life and it's unlikely that it'll just incapacitate them for a while, and they'll be up and about the next day with their arm in a sling like in the movies. Depending on where it hits, the bullet could destroy the ball-and-socket joint in the shoulder, leaving the subject's arm useless, or it could ricochet off of the scapula and end up in the chest cavity, or it could nick a major blood vessel. In any case you could still kill the person.
2: It's easy to miss. A bullet is a small thing and it's very easy to miss your target, especially in an adrenaline-charged, "kill or be killed" kind of scenario. Soldiers and law enforcement officers are trained to aim for center of mass (i.e. the torso) for a reason, it gives the highest chance of hitting and incapacitating the target.
You might try to shoot an attacker in the leg, hoping to just incapacitate them. Assuming you don't miss, the bullet may sever the femoral artery. That gives your attacker a few minutes to live, in which time they may retaliate and fire back. Result: You're both dead.
I would kill someone in self-defence. If there was no other easy way to do it, and there was a serious risk of me dying, I would kill the person. If it is unnecessary to kill them, I likely wouldn't, but if push came to shove, I could do it.
I've decided that in the future, if someone molested my hypothetical child, I would murder them. Sometimes things need to be done. I'm not being the classic edgy, detached 'badass' that so many on these forums try to be. I'm quite the humanitarian, but I can honestly say that I would do it.
I've decided that in the future, if someone molested my hypothetical child, I would murder them. Sometimes things need to be done. I'm not being the classic edgy, detached 'badass' that so many on these forums try to be. I'm quite the humanitarian, but I can honestly say that I would do it.
Q: Do You think you could take a life to defend your own.
Yes. Though that doesn't mean it would neccessarily be easy for me to do or that I wouldn't feel some amount of regret afterward.
Q: Would having a friend or family member's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
This changes things if it wasn't just me and the others on the line were friends/family. I'd kill the fucker in a heartbeat and be far less likely to feel any remorse.
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
only in that I'd be likely to get sick to my stomach afterwards if the damage done to the newly deceased was obvious(ie lot of blood on the ground or blatantly visible damage to the persons face or where ever the bullet struck)
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
horrible as this may sound it might depending on age and or noticeable things about the persons outward appearance
Yes. Though that doesn't mean it would neccessarily be easy for me to do or that I wouldn't feel some amount of regret afterward.
Q: Would having a friend or family member's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
This changes things if it wasn't just me and the others on the line were friends/family. I'd kill the fucker
Q: Would the difference between the up-close kill, and the point and click of a ranged weapon have a difference on you?
only in that I'd be likely to get sick to my stomach afterwards if the damage done to the newly deceased was obvious(ie lot of blood on the ground or blatantly visible damage to the persons face or where ever the bullet struck)
Q: Would having a stranger's life on the line with yours make you change your reaction?
horrible as this may sound it might depending on age and or noticeable things about the persons outward appearance