Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape

[Fappy]

Just as I'll continue to post, retweet, and tweet this story to everyone I can until Tosh either apologizes or suffers monetary losses as the result of people no longer wishing to support him by consuming his product.
Glad to see that you'll stand behind a guy that thinks gang rape is funny.

Tosh has apologized. Does this thread get to be over now?



https://twitter.com/danieltosh/statuses/222796532653629441?tw_i=222796532653629441&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

https://twitter.com/danieltosh/statuses/222796636559130624?tw_i=222796636559130624&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

You can stop now he apologized several hours ago.

Edit: Also you should problem realize there is a difference between a guy that finds rape jokes funny and a guy that would willing rape someone or actually allow someone to be raped.

Those Twitter comments on those tweets make me sad. I've never understood why so many people just use it as a platform to attack others.

Because 99% of the population are self severing jerks at will use what ever means necessary to make their lives seem better or more important then they actually feel.

I suppose.

The best part is that using social media as your platform to spew nonsense renders you helpless when others point out how much of an utter dolt you are. These people have their full names and pictures connected to what they're saying after all. Makes you wonder.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

but Tosh does not know this woman. She could have been a gang-rape survivor for all he knew. It was incredibly inappropriate, unprofessional, and whatever 'wrong' she may have committed interrupting his show is like taking a cup of water out of a lake compared to the disaster he turned it into by being a tool.

Disaster? lol come on now. There was no "disaster".

 

[springheeljack]

Seems as though he is trying to repeat George Carlins joke about rape being funny but just really sucking at it

 

[itsthesheppy]

My problem is that rape is no worse than murder or torture and that is fair game so rape is no different. Yes rape is horrible however anything can be funny so long as it is executed properly. Dark comedy uses many different techniques to create reactions such as subverting expectations, creating stark contrast between reaction and delivery, detachment from reality, hyperbole and of course plain old shock.

Rape is offensive to plenty of people, mainly victims. However totally shutting it down on the sole premise it's offensive and insensitive isn't the fair or right thing to do.

Like I said before. If you read the entire article, got to the end of it, and still don't see why rape jokes and rape language should go away, then there is no point in talking to me about it because I fundamentally disagree with you and nothing I say is going to make a difference; I don't really think there is a way for me to make an appeal to your sense of empathy stronger than what's in that article.

Considering that this is a fundamental disagreement I think we'll have to agree to disagree. I simply don't think it is society's responsibility to omit all humour or language regarding rape for the sake of a sensitive victim so much as it is the victim's responsibility to adapt to and cope with society.

You know... I know I said that we fundamentally disagree and that there probably isn't much profit in belaboring points you and I are just not gonna reach together, but I have to say that it's particularly cold to say that the onus is not on you to prevent yourself from offending people, and rather that the onus is on victims to get over their trauma, so that you don't have to inconvenience yourself. I mean... stone cold, man.

I'm a rape victim and I use dark humor as a coping mechanism, specifically rape jokes. Certainly it's not healthy, but it's better than drinking myself to an early grave or many of the alternatives. Does that suddenly make rape jokes okay? Or just rape jokes by me? I didn't comment on that article because I felt that they had a certain amount of a point when it came to online games, as you can't really choose who you're playing with a lot of the time, but it seems odd to apply the same standards to comedians and darker media which can easily be avoided.

If that is your coping mechanism, then I welcome you to explore it to the fullest potential it has to help you heal. However, you must understand that not everyone copes like you do, and for some people, it has the opposite effect; it's like, if healing your broken arm is done through kicking it, that doesn't mean you should walk around kicking other people's broken arms on the off chance it works for them to.

Ah, so his personal experience can be used to set a wide precedent for how rape should be handled in any public manner while mine can only apply to myself personally. If I were a more selfish man I would suggest it should be the other way around. As I am a more selfish man, I demand that we all make more rape jokes. I demand that every post in the rest of this thread be accompanied by a rape joke, as it is only the least you can do to help me deal with my issues. All this direct confrontation of the issue is making me dizzy (which is true, if I have a trigger it's probably taking rape seriously) and more humor should calm me down. Or I could just find them myself or make them myself to calm myself down, just like other victims can try to avoid things they know will upset them. Tosh makes rape jokes, people who get triggered by that should avoid him, while I should make certain to watch more of his stuff when I'm feeling a bit down in the dumps about the whole penis having been in my ass thing.

It's a simple fact that you just coping personally with your trauma has zero potential to cause unnecessary harm, whereas spreading around your personal coping mechanism does have that potential. I really think it's as simple as that.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Just as I'll continue to post, retweet, and tweet this story to everyone I can until Tosh either apologizes or suffers monetary losses as the result of people no longer wishing to support him by consuming his product.
Glad to see that you'll stand behind a guy that thinks gang rape is funny.

Tosh has apologized. Does this thread get to be over now?



https://twitter.com/danieltosh/statuses/222796532653629441?tw_i=222796532653629441&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

https://twitter.com/danieltosh/statuses/222796636559130624?tw_i=222796636559130624&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

You can stop now he apologized several hours ago.

Edit: Also you should problem realize there is a difference between a guy that finds rape jokes funny and a guy that would willing rape someone or actually allow someone to be raped.

Those Twitter comments on those tweets make me sad. I've never understood why so many people just use it as a platform to attack others.

Because 99% of the population are self severing jerks at will use what ever means necessary to make their lives seem better or more important then they actually feel.

I suppose.

The best part is that using social media as your platform to spew nonsense renders you helpless when others point out how much of an utter dolt you are. These people have their full names and pictures connected to what they're saying after all. Makes you wonder.

Yes yes is does, make you wonder.

 

[SadakoMoose]

Where's a "yes" poll option? I thought it was funny and I will continue to watch Tosh.0 and any future comedy specials involving Daniel Tosh.

Just as I'll continue to post, retweet, and tweet this story to everyone I can until Tosh either apologizes or suffers monetary losses as the result of people no longer wishing to support him by consuming his product.
Glad to see that you'll stand behind a guy that thinks gang rape is funny.

Oh.. glad to see you think it's fine to censor things you personally don't agree with. Cause that's what you doing. You ever stop to think about that? Congradulations you are now officially part of the whole fucking problem with the human race. I'm hope you feel happy for yourself.

Get the fuck over yourself. Ok? So you also going to go retroactively censor George Carlin too? He does a whole monologue about rape and how it can be funny. But hey he's dead so you can't push your morals and beliefs on him now can you?

Is the act of rape funny? No. Rapists should be executed. But to simply say "Rape is not a topic for comedy" well this is where I say go fuck yourself.

Also, do I think Tosh was a idiot for how he handled the heckler? yes. He could have handled her much better than "Oh, hope she gets gang raped" That's just immature and asinine.

EDIT: Basically hate the comedian, but stop trying to censor things because it's not something you don't like. Yes rape is fucking horrible but censoring it isn;'t the way to stop it. This is one of the few times I actually see a proper use of slippery slope.

More people who think I want to censor comedy.
I don't, I'm just making my opinion known. Besides, HOW could I possibly censor Daniel Tosh? I'm just some guy on the internet. Just because my opinion is opposite doesn't mean that I'm actively trying to keep others from opposing me. I couldn't, even if I wanted to.
Also, it's just a freaking poll on the escapist. It means about as much as a joke on a Popsicle stick...

 

[mirasiel]

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast him till the wee small hours and then dump him bleeding and crying into the back alley.

I'm sure he'd just laugh it off.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

It's a simple fact that you just coping personally with your trauma has zero potential to cause unnecessary harm, whereas spreading around your personal coping mechanism does have that potential. I really think it's as simple as that.

There are any number of types of speech that have potential harm or benefit of any sort. Using solely the two sources that we have to go by at the moment, my account and the account of the anonymous writer of that article, there's a fifty fifty chance that just randomly blurting out a rape joke at a rape victim will either cause them to go on a drinking binge or calm them down substantially (this part is obviously just a critique of the use of anecdotal evidence, not an actual argument for rape jokes to be used on victims).

Now to put this in more realistic terms, there are potential losses and gains to any type of speech, but using these types of speech in a controlled environment dramatically changes what these potentials are. Tosh made his joke in an environment where anybody who was even mildly informed knew that there was a potential for this kind of humor. Those for whom this would be a personal net negative could avoid him, while those for whom it would be a personal net positive could go to the show. I think that on the whole his joke could quite likely have been a net positive considering all involved had this woman's friend not written up the blog post that she did.

 

[itsthesheppy]

Participating in threads like this depresses me to no end. so I'll just finish with a few quick points for the people who don't seem to really get it.

1) If you say something and it makes someone feel bad, you're the bad guy and you owe them an apology. If you demand that they go and not be offended by the things you say, it betrays your lack of compassion, and shows that you don't really understand communication. I'll demonstrate.

Elephant. You thought of an elephant, didn't you? Now stop. STOP THINKING ABOUT ELEPHANTS. What, are you an idiot? How hard is it to stop thinking about elephants?

When you say words, you put ideas into peoples heads that sometimes cannot control. If you trigger a person's trauma in doing so, you owe them an apology and should be more careful about that in the future. I don't understand how a truly moral person could think otherwise.

2. It's not a freedom of speech thing. If you think it is, stop. You're not helping. Nobody is saying he should be arrested. So many people get this wrong it baffles me.

Free speech is being able to speak your mind without fear of suffering physical harm or duress. It does NOT mean people can't hear what you say and decide that you're a pillock and should be made into a social pariah and lose all your friends and become a poster child for a terrible human being. It only means you can't be arrested for speaking your opinions, or prevented through force from speaking your opinions.

So go, run free. Be a total jerk. Have a ball. But don't start crying "1st amendment" when everyone starts demanding you give an apology. You can refuse. And you may become unpopular and scorned for it. But as long as you remain un-punched and un-arrested, the 1st amendment is working as intended.

3. You must never forget that rape jokes do not exist in a vacuum. Sexist feelings and tropes do not exist in a vacuum. "But I'm not sexist, and I hate rapists!" you may say. That's fine. But I will quote something from a very well-written piece I think all dudes should read:

To all those who don?t think the rape joke was a problem, or rape jokes are a problem.

I get it, you?re a decent guy. I can even believe it. You?ve never raped anybody. You would NEVER rape anybody. You?re upset that all these feminists are trying to accuse you of doing something or connect you to doing something that, as far as you?re concerned, you?ve never done and would never condone.

And they?ve told you about triggers, and PTSD, and how one in six women is a survivor, and you get it. You do. But you can?t let every time someone gets all upset get in the way of you having a good time, right?

So fine. If all those arguments aren?t going anything for you, let me tell you this. And I tell you this because I genuinely believe you mean it when you say you don?t want to hurt anybody, and you don?t see the harm, and that it?s important to you to do your best to be a decent and good person. And I genuinely believe you when you say you would never associate with a rapist and you think rape really is a very bad thing.

Because this is why I refuse to take rape jokes sitting down-

6% of college age men, slightly over 1 in 20, will admit to raping someone in anonymous surveys, as long as the word ?rape? isn?t used in the description of the act.

6% of Penny Arcade?s target demographic will admit to actually being rapists when asked.

A lot of people accuse feminists of thinking that all men are rapists. That?s not true. But do you know who think all men are rapists?

Rapists do.

They really do. In psychological study, the profiling, the studies, it comes out again and again.

Virtually all rapists genuinely believe that all men rape, and other men just keep it hushed up better. And more, these people who really are rapists are constantly reaffirmed in their belief about the rest of mankind being rapists like them by things like rape jokes, that dismiss and normalize the idea of rape.

If one in twenty guys is a real and true rapist, and you have any amount of social activity with other guys like yourself, really cool guy, then it is almost a statistical certainty that one time hanging out with friends and their friends, playing Halo with a bunch of guys online, in a WoW guild, or elsewhere, you were talking to a rapist. Not your fault. You can?t tell a rapist apart any better than anyone else can. It?s not like they announce themselves.

But, here?s the thing. It?s very likely that in some of these interactions with these guys, at some point or another someone told a rape joke. You, decent guy that you are, understood that they didn?t mean it, and it was just a joke. And so you laughed.

And, decent guy who would never condone rape, who would step in and stop rape if he saw it, who understands that rape is awful and wrong and bad, when you laughed?

That rapist who was in the group with you, that rapist thought that you were on his side. That rapist knew that you were a rapist like him. And he felt validated, and he felt he was among his comrades.

You. The rapist?s comrade.

And if that doesn?t make you feel sick to your stomach, if that doesn?t make you want to throw up, if that doesn?t disturb you or bother you or make you feel like maybe you should at least consider not participating in that kind of humor anymore?

Well, maybe you aren?t as opposed to rapists as you claim.

Here is the link to the article. Sources are linked in the text on the site. [http://dbzer0.com/blog/feminists-dont-think-all-men-are-rapists-rapists-do]

There. I've said all I can, and I've nothing more. Now to go and play a single-player game and pretend for a moment that just maybe I've reached ONE person and made this community a little less disgusting.

 

[Fappy]

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast him till the wee small hours and then dump him bleeding and crying into the back alley.

I'm sure he'd just laugh it off.

If this were a hypothetical situation that had good delivery he probably would laugh.

 

[spartan231490]

There is never anything wrong with a joke. NEVER. Stuff like this makes me feel sick, literally sick. People who fear humor are a scourge, literally a scourge on humanity.

"Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh."
George Bernard Shaw

"Humor is the only test of gravity, and gravity of humor; for a subject which will not bear raillery is suspicious, and a jest which will not bear serious examination is false wit."
Aristotle

humor is one of the many ways we examine serious issues in order to deal with them and learn about them.

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing. The minute it crops up, all our irritations and resentments slip away and a sunny spirit takes their place."
Mark Twain

"Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious."
Peter Ustinov

This is how it should be. Humor should be a way to laugh at things that scare us to help us feel better and deal with our fears, not a divisive force to make us angry at and fight with each other.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Well Daniel Tosh's main category of comedy is dark humor. Sometimes it delves into incredibly dark areas. Being offended at what he does is like being offended at Lisa Lampanelli for calling any man that looks even slightly effeminate a ******.

Its just what they do.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean people should stand for this kinda bullshit if he said it to a woman's face who clearly wasn't finding it funny and was uncomfortable. When someone pays you money to be entertained you don't then single out that person just because you think its funny, you move on and continue the comedy routine.

Lisa Lampanelli does it. For christ sakes she uses the N word more times than Republicans say trickle down economics.

Hardly worth singling out Tosh, who is meant to make the rest of the room laugh AT OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPENSE. That's what Dark Humor is.

The woman was an idiot for not only disrupting the show for everyone else, but not researching who she is listening to. Comedy is not all uniform. It mas many flavors, and many of them are not nice. You research before you throw down money on ANYTHING.

Dark humor is one of the more off beet flavors that doesn't happen to be anti-humor. Its very Niche, its not for everyone.

Okay you know what fine, your right. She was disruptive, you're right in all but one thing. His response wasn't funny or witty, it was fucked. Taking the piss out of her is all well and good. Fuck, now that I think about it I condone him for responding by taking the piss out of her. But saying it would be funny if this woman in this room right here was raped is fucked up. You just don't do that. And I dont know who Lisa Lampanelli is but did she ever single out an individual black person in a room?

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast him till the wee small hours and then dump him bleeding and crying into the back alley.

I'm sure he'd just laugh it off.

See that wasn't funny, let me edit it for you.

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast like the squealing little pig that he is till the wee small hours and then dump him weeping with joy and crying for more into the back alley where he would proceed to have his car stolen by the black folks.

That is a rape joke. And a racist one. I gave you a twofer. You owe me.

 

[hydroblitz]

OP, apparently you think we should outlaw ALL COMEDY because SOMEONE GOT OFFENDED GAIZ, SRSLY. It is comedy, if it offends people, too bad. Rape is a horrible thing, but as long as there is a stigma that nobody is allowed to talk about rape no matter what, then we will have issues.

And the way you are going about this is immature and silly. I assumed that a rational person would have a yes option on the poll, but I accidentally clicked no because of it. this just tells me that you expect everybody to agree with you and if someone has a different opinion, you cover your ears and accuse them of liking rape.

OP, Get over yourself.

 

[mirasiel]

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast him till the wee small hours and then dump him bleeding and crying into the back alley.

I'm sure he'd just laugh it off.

If this were a hypothetical situation that had good delivery he probably would laugh.

Does his rapists giving him a reach around count as good delivery?

 

[mirasiel]

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast him till the wee small hours and then dump him bleeding and crying into the back alley.

I'm sure he'd just laugh it off.

See that wasn't funny, let me edit it for you.

I just think it would be funny if Daniel Tosh went back stage and found 5 big burly men waiting for him who would then proceed to spitroast like the squealing little pig that he is till the wee small hours and then dump him weeping with joy and crying for more into the back alley where he would proceed to have his car stolen by the black folks.

That is a rape joke. And a racist one. I gave you a twofer. You owe me.

How the fuck was it racist?