It's the thin skin combined with the "you know what hate crime people like me could do to people like you?" line that struck me.Jack the Potato said:
Poll: Daniel Tosh threatens Woman with Gang Rape
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Why are the only options "no"? Please change the poll so that there is more than one opinion that is able to be reflected.SadakoMoose said:
As for what Daniel Tosh did, he's a comedian. He tells jokes that push peoples comfort zone [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euayc_HqMbY]. As the women he made jokes about, she seems like a heckler.
The context is that someone in a position of privilege is bringing up a hate crime to get a person not in a position of privilege to shut up. It's pretty slimy, when you think about it.Hal10k said:
"Privilege" has nothing to do with it. A full audience had paid to hear Tosh's comedy, knowing full well that his style of humour involves things like rape jokes. An audience member heard a specific joke that happened to offend her in particular. Instead of doing the mature thing and leaving the show or waiting until afterwards to bring it up, she chose to interrupt the show to interject her opinion on the matter. Tosh, being somebody well-experienced in this sort of thing, choose to respond to the interjection by making a joke perfectly in line with the style of humour he was using in his show. He did not single this woman out, she singled herself out when she tried to interrupt the act. This isn't even an uncommon occurrence; making jokes about hecklers is a well-honoured tradition in stand-up comedy.Kahunaburger said:
Skip to about four minutes in for an example of what I'm talking about. Patton Oswalt responds to an interruption in his act with an extended hyperbolic rant chronicling exactly how much of a douchebag he thinks the guy who interrupted is, because that's the sort of thing people find funny about him. Daniel Tosh did the exact same sort of thing. Except, being a shock comedian, his response involved rape.
"Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet. Eating her curds and whey. Along came a spider, he sat down beside her and said:Treeinthewoods said:
Eh! What's in the bowl *****?" XD
OT: From what I've seen of Tosh, he seems pretty funny. Although he probably could have handled the situation a bit better I guess.
Want to know something relevant to that video you posted? Louise C.K. along with a lot of other comedians are supporting Daniel Tosh in this whole thing. I'm not adding anything to this I just thought it was interesting.Spot1990 said:
When you have a man singling a woman out (in a room mostly full of men) and saying how "funny" it would be if she got raped, privilege has quite a bit to do with it. Once again, it basically boils down to "you know what hate crime people like me could do to people like you?"Hal10k said:
So you've got a thin-skinned man leaning on his position of power to silence criticism. Pretty slimy, not particularly funny.
Okay, first off, he was perfectly in line to try and "silence criticism". She was a heckler. People paid a great sum off money to listen to Tosh's ramblings, not to hear somebody criticize him. If she had kept at it, she would likely have been asked to leave by security. That isn't a matter of the trying to keep the little guy down, it's just making sure that the audience gets what they paid for. As a comedian, the most professional thing you can do in that situation is make a joke about it and try to move on, which is exactly what Tosh did. He made the joke about rape because he was in the middle of a set about rape, and the woman made an interjection involving rape. If he had brought up rape out of nowhere I would agree with you. As it stands, Tosh just made an off-colour but on-topic joke.Kahunaburger said:
Would you say the same thing about the black man the guy who played Kramer directed similar hate at? If not, why not?Hal10k said:
EDIT: And, FYI, the context of the comedy club doesn't do anything to erase the context of privilege, and I'm not sure why you think it would.
I agree.MetalDooley said:
Especially as others have already stated, when you're dealing with Tosh. He's there to say shocking things and delve into really uncomfortably dark subject matter.
It's like someone going to a GWAR concert not wanting to get soaking wet with every variety of fluids.
As a female who has laughed at a few rape jokes, I'm inclined to agree with everyone else who said that you can make jokes over anything. Hell, to me, dead baby jokes are more offensive than rape jokes but my thing is to ignore them.
The thing about this being blogged on tumblr is that there are just as many people reblogging just for the sake of calling this female out, supporting Tosh or somewhere in a more milder middle.
One of them said something I think makes a lot of sense.
And that is what the hell did she expect? When she interrupted, it wasn't just because she was offended, it was also to call Tosh out and humiliate/shame him in public. What, she think he was just gonna take that with no issues? Hell, in the blog, she even uses the word "disruptive" when describing what she did! She knew it was basically rude and didn't give a shit because she wanted to speak her mind.
It was a risk she took that backfired hard. Sucks that she was so traumatized but I gather she'll be more cautious now when it comes to just blurting shit out without ponder the possible consequences.
But the main thing here is that this is fucking Daniel Tosh. This kind of stuff defines him. Now she already said she'd never heard of him before so that was a risk in of itself. I could understand her being surprised but anyone who knows him and how he works shouldn't be.
The thing about this being blogged on tumblr is that there are just as many people reblogging just for the sake of calling this female out, supporting Tosh or somewhere in a more milder middle.
One of them said something I think makes a lot of sense.
And that is what the hell did she expect? When she interrupted, it wasn't just because she was offended, it was also to call Tosh out and humiliate/shame him in public. What, she think he was just gonna take that with no issues? Hell, in the blog, she even uses the word "disruptive" when describing what she did! She knew it was basically rude and didn't give a shit because she wanted to speak her mind.
It was a risk she took that backfired hard. Sucks that she was so traumatized but I gather she'll be more cautious now when it comes to just blurting shit out without ponder the possible consequences.
But the main thing here is that this is fucking Daniel Tosh. This kind of stuff defines him. Now she already said she'd never heard of him before so that was a risk in of itself. I could understand her being surprised but anyone who knows him and how he works shouldn't be.
Privilege? Privilege?! What, do you think rape is a crime that only happens to women? Men are automatically in a position of power over women and can rape any woman if they chose to? Women are the only rape victims ever and men are never traumatized by rapes from women? What the fuck is wrong with you?! Not only are you making a completely retarded point, but you're also comparing two completely different situations that have very, VERY little do with each other! Stop typing. Please. You've already proven you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.Kahunaburger said:
Yeah, he was a heckler too. The difference is that Michael Richards handled it poorly. Now, don't get me wrong, he had been presented with an incredibly difficult situation to get out of. The audience was against him, and rebuffs to hecklers work best when they're on your side. For example, the instance of Oswalt's grandstanding that I posted earlier only works when the audience is on your side, otherwise they just get annoyed. But Richards still made the worst possible decision. When the majority of audience is disgruntled and somebody starts to heckle, you have to try and move on to a fresh set of material as quickly as possible, perhaps making a pithy remark about the heckler in the process. This is the best chance you have to get the audience laughing again. Richards tried to do this, but he failed in that he tried to make the shift into shock humour in the process. Shock humour is a delicate tactic, one that should only be employed when the audience is ready to laugh at it, something Richard's audience was in no state to do, even if he was emotionally able to approach it with any degree of sophistication.Kahunaburger said:
In short, Richards let himself get angry and played his audience the wrong way.
Back in the real world, rape is, yes, a hate crime primarily directed against women by men. And male privilege is very much a thing in our society.Jack the Potato said:
Fake edit: on a side note, is it just me or has the Escapist been getting a little r/mensrights around the edges these last few weeks?
Yep. And I think tosh did the same thing, as we're seeing with the unfolding backlash. Humor is best when it's subtle, not as a blunt instrument for people with privilege to use to get other people to shut up.Hal10k said:
You're a Men's Rights activist, aren't you?Jack the Potato said:
Please, tell me what it feels like to be a woman walking down the street at night when all of a sudden you see a man walking towards you. Describe the feeling of tension, and suspicion. The feeling you get when you realize that you cannot even walk down the street and have a sense of security, simply because you were born a woman.
When you hear your own mom describing these feelings, it begins to hit home.