Poll: DC's Catwoman Comes Out as Bisexual
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So... Are they going to use this in any other way than to have her make out with women as well? Because if not, they can just flock off. I honestly don't think it's surprising that this happened to one of the most sexually charged characters in the DC roster. I mean it's FINE if they don't want to explore her sexuality much deeper and instead just have her... live and love I suppose, but I feel they're just trying to sex her up even more.
And about the backslash? The "pandering?" It's beautifully ironic that the only reason media makes a big deal out of these things is that there are people still getting angry over it and arguing against it. If people like that would just keep silent and mind their own business, there would be no visible opposition and the stories would become much less interesting, loosing their newsworthiness. So they would become... just things that happen. Normal, in another words. People are going to make noise about this as long as they feel there's a fight to be had.
And about the backslash? The "pandering?" It's beautifully ironic that the only reason media makes a big deal out of these things is that there are people still getting angry over it and arguing against it. If people like that would just keep silent and mind their own business, there would be no visible opposition and the stories would become much less interesting, loosing their newsworthiness. So they would become... just things that happen. Normal, in another words. People are going to make noise about this as long as they feel there's a fight to be had.
...Is this supposed to be a surprise?
I mean, i don't even read comics and it felt obvious to me she was into girls.
I mean, i don't even read comics and it felt obvious to me she was into girls.
Wasn't that always kinda the case?
I don't follow the comics or any new shows or nothing, but didn't Harley and Poison Ivy also have a thing at some point as well?
I don't follow the comics or any new shows or nothing, but didn't Harley and Poison Ivy also have a thing at some point as well?
How is this news?
A writer, *just now*, figured this out?
Now, the real question is will this overall "meh" reaction be described as "internet goes nuts!" or "internet blinked and said ... 'and?' "
A writer, *just now*, figured this out?
You ... don't read very much Batman fanfic, do you?jademunky said:
Now, the real question is will this overall "meh" reaction be described as "internet goes nuts!" or "internet blinked and said ... 'and?' "
Even better....Batman is Bi, the Joker is gay and they have an incredibly abusive S+M relationship with each other.jademunky said:
Which explains where the Joker got those scars.
Yeah, I know a couple of fanfictions have no doubt beat me to the punch, even without looking.
I'm not up on the current status, but from what I remember the animated series version of Ivy wasn't bi or a lesbian. She's hetero but misandryst. She calls men weak and useless because they're so easy to control. Harley was basically a project of hers, somewhere between pity, friendship, and a comparatively less destructive version of the co-dependent psychopath pairing Harley had with the Joker. There were definitely overtones, but it was played more as intimate friendship than anything else. As far as the state of undress goes, along with the single bed, it doesn't automatically mean sex has happened - it just implies a level of comfort with each other that most people don't achieve, specifically men.Gearhead mk2 said:I'm against this. It certainly fits her character and explains a lot, but given DC's recent track record with writing minority characters (and writing characters, and just writing anything at all really) I don't think they'll do it anything close to well.It wasn't directly said in the show, but they were a on/off couple in the DCAU cartoon. There was even a scene of them in a crappy motel room with one bed wearing nothing but shirts and talking about how useless men were.Casual Shinji said:
For the record, I'm not saying you're wrong. In fact, you are probably correct here. The easiest interpretation of what's portrayed is that they are a fairly casual bisexual couple, and while I wouldn't put it past the writers to be deeper than that, experience has taught me that same gender friendships on TV are most often interpreted as romantic relationships by the viewers.
Wasn't it explicitly stated in the Arkham games that their particular version of the Joker was gay, or at least Bat-sexual? And the way Batman reacts to the events at the end of Arkham City...I guess that 'ship' has sailed, though.Dalisclock said:
OT: This news is a resounding 'meh' to me. It's not anything for diversity,or rounding out the character. It's fan service from start to finish, and it's pretty adolescent when it comes down to it. That's my first impression, anyway. Maybe there'll be some really impressive story out of it, but I have little faith in comics these days.
On the one hand, yes, there's a lack of LGBT characters in mainstream comics. The fact that adding one is big news and pisses people off so much sorta hints that there's a problem there.
On the other hand, they pick a fanservice villainess to be bi. Because of course they did. Now, make Superman bi, but have him be in a committed relationship with Lois (or that mermaid) anyway, and that's news.
On the other hand, they pick a fanservice villainess to be bi. Because of course they did. Now, make Superman bi, but have him be in a committed relationship with Lois (or that mermaid) anyway, and that's news.
They'd have real balls if they had Batman (even if people have been making dumbass jokes about the 60s TV show and Robin and 'bat-nipples' since forever) or Superman 'come out' as gay or bi. (And not have it be some 'alternate incarnation from Earth-333' bullshit.)
Were they experiencing a dip in sales or something? Not enough racy figurines selling?
Unless they are going to do a story with her engaging in a lesbian relationship then it is not even worth saying.
Maybe they could write an interesting storyline instead of just spouting fanboy pleasing shit.
Unless they are going to do a story with her engaging in a lesbian relationship then it is not even worth saying.
Maybe they could write an interesting storyline instead of just spouting fanboy pleasing shit.
You may want to read/watch The Dark Knight Returns.Dalisclock said:
Come to think of it, the only version of the Joker that wasn't obsessively in love with Bats is probably the Nolan version. Well, that and whatever Joker was back in ye olden days when he first showed up.
Korra is the perfect example of waht you are describing, LOK was a great show but that doesn't matter when it comes to people writing about it, it's write-ups where almost none-existent. Throw in some quick homosexual subtext at the end and then you get articles that can't stop singing it's praises for that alone, it feels so cheap.Aerith said:
And the world have a collective shrug and went back to what it was doing. Seriously, you're about 30 years too late to call this groundbreaking.
This feels more like geek pandering then an actual progressive stance. I just assumed all female comic book characters were lebians (except when they fall for the uber macho hero, of course). That way they can put more half naked women making out on their covers, and when people complain, they can say that their breaking down barriers, man!. It reminds me of that awful Russian band, tattoo. There was all this fanfare about a lesbian music couple. Of course, the members were straight, and just pretended to be lesbians so that more men would buy the records. It worked until the members got bored and quit. Honestly, if you want to be pervs, DC, fine, but don't act like your heroes for it. When you write a story about a fat, 40 year old woman whose a lebian, and the prejudice she has to endure, give me a call. A hot fictional supermodel making out with other supermodels isn't news.
This feels more like geek pandering then an actual progressive stance. I just assumed all female comic book characters were lebians (except when they fall for the uber macho hero, of course). That way they can put more half naked women making out on their covers, and when people complain, they can say that their breaking down barriers, man!. It reminds me of that awful Russian band, tattoo. There was all this fanfare about a lesbian music couple. Of course, the members were straight, and just pretended to be lesbians so that more men would buy the records. It worked until the members got bored and quit. Honestly, if you want to be pervs, DC, fine, but don't act like your heroes for it. When you write a story about a fat, 40 year old woman whose a lebian, and the prejudice she has to endure, give me a call. A hot fictional supermodel making out with other supermodels isn't news.
Many of us guys would not mind if our girlfriends experimented with other women. Hell I bet a few would even encourage it. Why? Multiple reasons. The small hope of a possible threesome in the future? Maybe some of us feel competitive against other men for a girl's affection, but not competitive with other women. Maybe it's pride thing? Like "Okay I understand her sleeping with other women because I am physically incapable of satisfying that particular urge because I lack a vagina", while the thought that a woman would sleep with anther man besides him makes us think "Am I not good enough? What does he have that I don't have?". Maybe it's a sense of understanding and comradely because both the man and the bisexual both appreciate touch of a woman?CrystalShadow said:
As a guy, if my girlfriend told me she wanted to sleep with another man, I wouldn't be happy. If she told me she wanted to sleep with another women? I would give a high five and tell her to go for it!
The only romance Catwoman is allowed to pursue is Batman. Its a great idea for a tragic story because they can't really be together, as Batman exists to stop crime and she lives for thieving, but they aren't so polar opposite that they won't flirt with the idea of a romance. As Batman won't kill people and although she's often a villain Catwoman isn't a murder either.
Making her a Lesbian would a be a lame idea. She already has a interesting romance possibility with Batman.
To me Marvel and Dc making all these 50'70's characters homosexual means something. They don't have faith in homosexuality as an interesting character trait, they think its too out there and they feel it needs to be shoehorned into already popular characters so people will accept it. If they had faith that homosexuality could be good for a story, they would create a new character who is gay and take it from there.
Making existing Comic book characters gay has not rocked the world. It may be pushing a few sales right now but no one will look back on this era of comics and say YES that was a truly fantastic and interesting time for comic book stories. You may disagree I'm not really to interested in love in comics anyway, I read them to see people shoot lasers and fight robots.
Saying Catwoman is bisexual is lazy and you know it. Making a brand new super heroine who happens to be bisexual, now that could be interesting.
Making her a Lesbian would a be a lame idea. She already has a interesting romance possibility with Batman.
To me Marvel and Dc making all these 50'70's characters homosexual means something. They don't have faith in homosexuality as an interesting character trait, they think its too out there and they feel it needs to be shoehorned into already popular characters so people will accept it. If they had faith that homosexuality could be good for a story, they would create a new character who is gay and take it from there.
Making existing Comic book characters gay has not rocked the world. It may be pushing a few sales right now but no one will look back on this era of comics and say YES that was a truly fantastic and interesting time for comic book stories. You may disagree I'm not really to interested in love in comics anyway, I read them to see people shoot lasers and fight robots.
Saying Catwoman is bisexual is lazy and you know it. Making a brand new super heroine who happens to be bisexual, now that could be interesting.
While this particular instance is not a problem, it generally is because they aren't adding new, good characters, they're leeching off existing characters. The new Thor isn't a new female superhero, she's being sold on the real Thor's credibility. On the other hand, Scandal Savage is a new lesbian character - she has a famous relative, but she was never just Vandal Savage with tits.thaluikhain said:
