Poll: Do musicians have to beautiful?

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Ziadaine_v1legacy

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It can help, but its not required. .... Now that I think about it, that's really the only reason mainstream musicians are that over-hyped like Beiber, Timberlake, Rhianna etc. the looks.

But who cares, high-school wise, if your in a band or can pull off Solo's your guaranteed a banging off stage later. (At least @ my old HS that's how it worked)
 

BonsaiK

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A-Heart-Of-Gold said:
I have been thinking about this for a while. Most artists and singers who have record deals are beautiful, gorgeous, cute... whatever you want to call it.

So is it possible if you look like nothing special?

Is it possible to create a career when you don't look like Taylor Swift or one of Girls Aloud and will it make it harder for you to do that?

Or is it nothing to do with looks in the Music business and more to do with the fact that you can sing or not?
As the resident music industry corporate whore on this place I suppose I should say something about this:

Someone who looks good enhances the ability of any music attached to them to be marketed more effectively. Their face (or body) becomes something equivalent to the logo by which you can market something.

Ever wondered why metal bands always have those fancy logos and the bands tend to keep them the same for every album? It's because the guys in the band are usually ugly across the board, so rather than using their faces for marketing, they use something else as a visual identifier. Thus, a change of the logo in heavy metal music often corresponds to a directional shift in the music - it's an attempt at "rebranding".

When you've got someone pretty like Taylor Swift, you don't need a logo - your fonts and text can change from album to album and nobody cares - her face is the brand identifier. If Taylor Swift wanted to rebrand herself, she wouldn't write her name in a diffrerent font, she'd wear different makeup and different hair. Of course, as she gets older, nature will "rebrand" her... and her music will also change and mature in correspondence with the image (if she wants longevity as an artist).

Now, is it possible to be successful without this brand? Well yes, but what happens more often than not is that the lack of a visually pleasing identifier is eschewed for something else entirely, and then THAT becomes the brand. If you're just that fucking talented or unique that people are more than happy to completely overlook the image, or you're able to play to the edges with your image a bit, well, you still have a brand - Amy Winehouse, Peaches and even The Escapists' favourite, Lady Gaga, are all fine examples of artists who really aren't that attractive in the traditional sense but brought something musically interesting and new to the table, with a unique aesthetic and stupendously huge creative talent. Image is still important to these artists, but it's their image, not the rubber-stamped industry image. This is the most effective type of branding IMHO.

Abe_Z said:
Oh, and no matter how "pretty" your face is, you have to be thin to be "sexy". Name one over-weight pop icon. Didn't think so...
Beth Ditto theoretically shouldn't exist in the industry but the fact that she does anyway is testament to the power of branding. Who can think of The Gossip and not think of THOSE photos? In fact, at this point I think that if Beth lost weight she'd be less marketable, because that look is part of her brand. Not that she would care either way - having cut her teeth in the punk scene she's as grounded as they get, no pun intended.

In summary, what I'm trying to say is that beauty is not important, however image is very important, and any artist that can't come up with a visual image of some sort to go with their music (whether it's a logo, a dress style, a face, or even a unified graphic design/visual concept idea as in the case of something like Pink Floyd) had better get one, or... well what are we going to PUT on their adverts?
 

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PureIrony said:
El Poncho said:
Susan Boyle.

She became pretty big and she looks like an -enter text here-
Susan Boyle is famous because she is an exception to the rule.

Otherwise, yeah pretty much.
The problem with Susan Boyle is, she isn't actually that good. She seems to be a double exception to the rule. People are blinded by beauty and this makes up for lack of talent (take Britney, who can't actually sing that well when you really listen to her, and neither can Rihanna. At all), where as ugly people have to work harder to be seen as talented. This wasn't the case for Susan Boyle. She had a *good* voice, sure, but it wasn't amazing. People were shocked that her voice could come from somebody that looked like that and that's why she's famous. Problem is, if that voice came from somebody who looks stunning, the judges would have said, "I've heard better. I'm not putting you through." Compare Susan Boyle to Katherine Jenkins, without looking at them. Who is better? Katherine Jenkins by far. And strangely, who is more attractive? But that's beside the point. If you took how Katherine Jenkins looks and put Susan Boyle's voice on there, nobody would listen.
And what really annoys me, is the shock factor thing worked before. Paul Potts. Remember him? Looked like crap, sang brilliantly? Actually won the bloody show?
 

DALEKK

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Well most of those beautiful singers become so beautiful only after a bunch of stylists start making them look at their best. So it's not all about the looks but how you wrap them up.
 

ENKC

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The OP has clearly had limited exposure to metal. Therein you will find many thousands of artists who make a living on anything but their good looks. This is my second favourite band:


And there you have it.
 

Dimbo_Sama

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A-Heart-Of-Gold said:
I have been thinking about this for a while. Most artists and singers who have record deals are beautiful, gorgeous, cute... whatever you want to call it.

So is it possible if you look like nothing special?

Is it possible to create a career when you don't look like Taylor Swift or one of Girls Aloud and will it make it harder for you to do that?

Or is it nothing to do with looks in the Music business and more to do with the fact that you can sing or not?
Shane McGowan certainly isn't much to look at, and he's one of the most influential and successful musician's in the world.

If you want to be hugely successful in mainstream pop music, well, yeah if you're really good looking they're going to be more willing to take you on, because with younger audiences you can market them purely on looks.

But look at Devin Townsend, look at Thom Yorke, look at Lemmy for god's sake!

You can easily, easily make a career out of music if you're nothing special to look at. Not everything in the industry, certainly as a musician, is in mainstream pop, mainstream pop is a very kind of niche position, the same as metal and rap and dance et cetera.
 

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I only have one thing to say to this topic: meatloaf
I still find it funny that he is a vegetarian
 

BonsaiK

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ENKC said:
The OP has clearly had limited exposure to metal. Therein you will find many thousands of artists who make a living on anything but their good looks. This is my second favourite band:


And there you have it.
Ouch. Saxon could crack mirrors. I think this thread has a winner.
 

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BonsaiK said:
ENKC said:
The OP has clearly had limited exposure to metal. Therein you will find many thousands of artists who make a living on anything but their good looks. This is my second favourite band:


And there you have it.
Ouch. Saxon could crack mirrors. I think this thread has a winner.
Oh, really?


It's been said that Rob Halford has a three-and-a-half octave vocal range (D2-B5.
And his songs kick ass. But he's no looker.
 

Latinidiot

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that would be pop-music, which is popular partly because the person on the screenis physically attractive. God, I've seen ugly dudes on stage, but they aren't popular.
 

WolfThomas

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I assume there's a reverse effect happening to a lot of people, they prove to be good at singing, get picked up by a label. There hair, clothing and makeup people work a few miracles. Add people editing their pictures in magazine and edited movie clips.
 

WaffleGod

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Ranorak said:
BonsaiK said:
ENKC said:
The OP has clearly had limited exposure to metal. Therein you will find many thousands of artists who make a living on anything but their good looks. This is my second favourite band:


And there you have it.
Ouch. Saxon could crack mirrors. I think this thread has a winner.
Oh, really?


It's been said that Rob Halford has a three-and-a-half octave vocal range (D2-B5.
And his songs kick ass. But he's no looker.
Ah, metal. How I love you soo much :D.

IMO, I never care about how a musician looks like. Having a pretty face is a plus, sure. But at the end of the day, I listen to Metal and the general rule there is that usually the ugliest guys play the best music.

edit: also, Nicko Mcbrain clearly wins the price for ugliest musician :p

 

Reynard Wrecce

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If one listens to gutless brainless soulless corporate product, then yes of course you should be pretty; you are a commodity, the visible facet of a larger unseen machine which employs the music industry to make money for itself, and nothing more. It is simple common sense to make that high-profile element as attractive as possible.
But if you actually make music, then you are an artist. You are part of a millennia-old tradition, and it couldn't matter less what you look like. No one cares whether Mozart or Apollodorus or Goya were beautiful - they created beauty. They served a larger imperative than themselves.
But by all means, let's remove all music made by people who do not appear attractive to us. Of course, it'll be a strange scene without Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Nina Simone, Robert Johnson, 2 or 3 of The Beatles, most of The Beach Boys, a couple of The Ramones, at least half of Led Zep...
(takes calming breath)
 

LandoCristo

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I don't even know what half of the artists on my ipod look like. (Mostly classic rock, like Led Zepplin, ACDC, and the only "new" stuff I have is the Killers.)
 

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Charisma is way more important than beauty. Musical genius helps as well, look at these guys, incredible band.

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