Poll: Do soldiers deserves the title of hero?

[Altorin]

depends on what makes a hero. Hero is an ambiguous word, and what may be considered heroic by one culture may be deplorable by another. Suicide bombers for instance are considered Heroes by people who support suicide bombers - they pay the ultimate price for their cause.

Being a hero in the western mindset includes being selfless, and fighting for people who cannot fight for themselves. I think being a soldier pretty much sets you up for being a hero. I don't think every single soldier is a hero, but they certainly have a leg up.

 

[Jaranja]

Ooh, touchy subject.
Yes, very. Without the army I quite literally would not exist right now, it is the same reason why I blow up at people who claim that D&D is satanic.

Don't you think that if there were no armies, it would be more peaceful?
It would be, however there is no possible reason why at least one country wouldn't have an army. As long as someone else has an army you gotta at least have one started up, at least just in case.

I guess you're too blinded by the media
This doesn't even make sense. The media right now is against us being in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess there's Fox News; but it seems it would be difficult to be blinded by a candle.

and the good that's come out of war to realise
Again, the whole me not existing thing. I'm half black, so I think the whole "one step closer to equality thing" was a pretty big deal.

That millions of innocent people are killed and millions more lives are destroyed by it.
You don't even need armies or a war for that, you can just hire mercenaries. All it takes is a dictator and some people willing to get paid for ethnic cleansing.

P.S: I know you think that swearing adds emphasis to your rant but it just makes you seem more moronic.
The last Go Fuck Yourself was quite literal, repeatedly shoving a dildo in and out of your asshole seems like it would be a better use of your time. Coming from a military family, seeing someone claim that the only way to be involved in the military is to be a cold-blooded murderer is upsetting. My parents both basically had IT jobs, with my dad continuing his, while my mom left to raise me and my brother. Lumping them in the same boat as people who commit war times is frankly quite insulting.

Responses in bold.

Ok, to start: I don't give a shit if you were born because of the army. Literally, I couldn't care less. Dictators wouldn't rise to power, as we have hindsight and would clearly see what is happening. I'll admit, I was wrong about the media part but you are blinded by the good that comes out of war. You refuse to see the negative areas because you're afraid of them.

I couldn't read passed the first sentence of your final response as it was just too vulgar for my liking.

 

[Jaranja]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

You know what is really ignorant and idiotic? Assuming that people want to join the armed forces because they want to kill people. Assuming that the majority of military personnel have ever been in combat, and assuming that every job in any of the armed forces requires shooting people.

Fuck you, for being a hippie ****. Fuck you for standing against the establishment that facilitated the meeting of my parents, and fuck you for judging one of my only viable choices for college funding left without fully considering the reasons why people join the armed forces.

tl;dr Go. Fuck. Yourself.

Ooh, touchy subject. Don't you think that if there were no armies, it would be more peaceful? I guess you're too blinded by the media and the good that's come out of war to realise that millions of innocent people are killed and millions more lives are destroyed by it.

P.S: I know you think that swearing adds emphasis to your rant but it just makes you seem more moronic.

goddamn report that asshole. hed kill 20 arabs just so he can have some apple pie.

Which one?

jaranja report rokar

Way ahead of ya.

i sent him very angry message. it was like this. >>>>>

I think I said enough in my response to him but YEAH!

I side with the man/woman with the Lelouch avatar.

Even though what I say is completely going against Zero's idea on war. Oh well. Still an amazing anime.

 

[Coaxill]

To me, A hero is defined by an exception. An army on the other hand, is defined by uniformity. Soldiers brave death as do we all, but the few that perform exceptional acts of sacrifice for the benefit of others can be qualified heroes to me.

 

[Captain Blackout]

I support what you say. But still, Rokar could have found a better way than saying "fuck you" repeatedly, and referring to his opponent as a "hippie ****". I think that was what got him called moronic, not his stance on the subject.

Jaranja put the troll flag out with the word idiotic before Rokar had anything to say at all. Along comes a troll, Rokar. Jaranja wants to seem all cool and above it, so he beats down the troll a bit. Normally the trolls espouse retarded opinions to go along with their over-the-top statements but I get where Rokar is coming from. Finally, I'm a hippie and Jaranja is giving people like me a bad name. Hopefully someone of Rokar's leanings will point out to Rokar where his challenges lie.

 

[Mrsoupcup]

Yes becuase I love my Troops and my country. I also love the U.S. becuase they keep Canadians safe. (Someday we may even share are Dinosaur technology with them : P )

 

[Shadowkire]

I think this discussion needs some definitions, like the definitions of hero, heroic, and murder.

Hero: noun, a person who is admired for his/her brave or noble deeds, a defender or protector.

Heroic: adjective, having the characteristics of a hero, very brave

Murder: noun, the unlawful killing of a person
verb, to kill unlawfully

So there you have it, soldiers are not murderers, not unless the governments(you know, that thing that makes laws) of the people who the soldiers kill declare it murder.

Also if a soldier is brave/does something bravely/protects someone he or she is officially a hero by the rules of English(other rules may come into play if using alternative languages).

 

[awsome117]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

You know what is really ignorant and idiotic? Assuming that people want to join the armed forces because they want to kill people. Assuming that the majority of military personnel have ever been in combat, and assuming that every job in any of the armed forces requires shooting people.

Fuck you, for being a hippie ****. Fuck you for standing against the establishment that facilitated the meeting of my parents, and fuck you for judging one of my only viable choices for college funding left without fully considering the reasons why people join the armed forces.

tl;dr Go. Fuck. Yourself.

why do you think its okay for thousands of innocent people to die just because alot of people are poor and stupid. how many people would you kill to save yourself? howmany fathers would you slaughter before you know what war is. killing someone is never the answer. so go and die you nazi piece of filth.

An odd response if I may say so.

 

[Rokar333]

I was admittedly upset when I first came to this thread and should have thought my way through before posting. I've edited out the cursing in my original post, and will try to restate my main purpose again.

I have nothing against your beliefs on war, I am against your negative sweeping generalization that the only people who enlist in the army are in it for the killing. There is even more to the Army than just front-line infantry.

Even after going through the Religion and Politics section of the board, your post is still the only one that makes me quiver in rage.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

I remember hearing somewhere once that being a hero means knowing where the danger is, and going towards it. So yea, soldiers are heroes. I'd like to see how many of those haters would go down a road in a unarmored humvee knowing that a roadside bomb can be just up ahead, day and day out. Soldiers protect there right to say the things they say, soldiers have the right to not give a f%^k what they say.

 

[Jaranja]

People that live through many wars are still not heroes. They are survivors.

People that join the army because they want to are idiotic, in my opinion. You know there's a chance you're going to get shot and that you're going to kill someone. You're a murderer, not a martyr.

You know what is really ignorant and idiotic? Assuming that people want to join the armed forces because they want to kill people. Assuming that the majority of military personnel have ever been in combat, and assuming that every job in any of the armed forces requires shooting people.

Fuck you, for being a hippie ****. Fuck you for standing against the establishment that facilitated the meeting of my parents, and fuck you for judging one of my only viable choices for college funding left without fully considering the reasons why people join the armed forces.

tl;dr Go. Fuck. Yourself.

Ooh, touchy subject. Don't you think that if there were no armies, it would be more peaceful? I guess you're too blinded by the media and the good that's come out of war to realise that millions of innocent people are killed and millions more lives are destroyed by it.

P.S: I know you think that swearing adds emphasis to your rant but it just makes you seem more moronic.

You have an issue with his swearing, but you made a negative blanket statement regarding the intelligence of those who willingly join the military. If you don't want swearing, watch who you say is idiotic.

You do come across as an immature hippie. War sucks, killing is wrong, so on and so forth, all true. Now welcome to the real world, where we have had war and killing since we first started as humans. Sure, it would be nice if everyone smoked a doobie and no one showed up to fight. In the real world, it doesn't work that way. I look forward to a day when wars are obsolete, but until then I recognize the sacrifice of those who put on the uniform for what it is.

If you don't like war, work to end it. Live simply so others can simply live, as many wars are over the huge disparities in living standards globally or can be tied to said disparities, and quit calling people idiotic for trying to do their best to improve the world.

What you've said is pretty accurate and I respect your opinion. It wont change my views on soldiers but it's good stuff, nonetheless. Just because there is war and always has been war doesn't mean it can not be changed. I'll admit, you're correct in saying that it probably wont change because it is just human nature to be savage and want power. I have a little bit of hope that it can change and that was the point I was arguing.

Don't worry though, that small bit of hope will vanish in the years to come.

 

[yankeefan19]

I'm from a military family so I know lots of people who are in the army or who have served in the army and not one of them likes or wants to be called a hero.

Military family high fives! but yeah ^^^ that

Military family high fives yay! I personally believe that soldiers are not heroes, but deserve to be congradulated for defending our country.

 

[Rokar333]

why do you think its okay for thousands of innocent people to die just because alot of people are poor and stupid. how many people would you kill to save yourself? howmany fathers would you slaughter before you know what war is. killing someone is never the answer. so go and die you nazi piece of filth.

I honestly don't even know how to respond to this, it doesn't even make sense in the context of what I was saying because I didn't even say anything about war just about enlistment in the armed forces.

I am glad that there is an option for people to enlist in the armed forces, I am not happy that there is war.

 

[ElTigreSantiago]

Hell yes! While not every serviceman is a hero, to go as far as that group is rediculous. They all had the courage to sign up and make it through training, and do something to actually make a postive impact rather than just sit on the sidelines complaining. If there weren't people that enlisted we would all be screwed. These are men that travel to far away countries in horrible conditions and lose there lives for people who aren't even thankful. There are some who sit behind a desk all day, but then there are some who go through years of training and give their lives for their country. They risk their lives every day while professional atheletes and celebrities get showered with unimaginable amounts of money for playing with a ball or acting. It amazes me how ungrateful people are.

And this whole murdering civilians thing is equally rediculous. All these people know is what the news feeds to them. There are these things called Rules of Engagement. You can't fire on a guy until you know he is an enemy. Soldiers have died because of these rules. If it were up to the enemy the entire western world would be dead. We loose more people from accidents here than we kill innocents there.

Once I get my bachelors degree I'm joining the USAF to be a pilot, and I would hate to seen as some kind of criminal.

 

[paragon1]

No, putting on a uniform does not make you a hero. What you do while your in that uniform can make you a hero. I would like to point out two things.
1.Becoming a volunteer soldier requires a great deal of personal sacrifice and a risk of life and limb, and I think people should respect that sacrifice, even if they disagree with a particular conflict or war in general. Remember, a soldier does not choose where they get to be deployed.
2.Not all soldiers get to pick whether or not they are reactivated. A soldier may find themselves called upon to rejoin the armed forces many years after they finish what they thought would be their last tour.

 

[God's Clown]

As it were "The Clothes do not make the man." A person should be based on their actions, not how they look. So no, just being a soldier does not make you a hero.

 

[Pegghead]

Brave men and women putting their lives on the line for the safety of us all, having to see and do horrible things to the Nth degree in the name of keeping their country secure. That's a hero.

 

[RatRace123]

Unfortunately, a few soldiers seem to view the uniform as a government blessing to commit atrocities. These people are most definately not heroes, but the majority of soldiers fight for what they believe in, and they inspire and lead. So I would consider that heroic, I picked I don't know, though.

 

[Rokar333]

Ok, to start: I don't give a shit if you were born because of the army. Literally, I couldn't care less. Dictators wouldn't rise to power, as we have hindsight and would clearly see what is happening. I'll admit, I was wrong about the media part but you are blinded by the good that comes out of war. You refuse to see the negative areas because you're afraid of them.

I couldn't read passed the first sentence of your final response as it was just too vulgar for my liking.

I realize that dictator was the wrong word. I was trying not to undermine my point by saying "military regime" but it looks like I shot myself in the foot there. My example being the conflict in Burma between the new Burmese regime and the various minority ethnic groups.(which I refuse to call Myanmar because that recognizes the authority of the military regime)

I'm pretty sure what the Burmese are doing against the Karen right now isn't war.

 

[Captain Blackout]

You have an issue with his swearing, but you made a negative blanket statement regarding the intelligence of those who willingly join the military. If you don't want swearing, watch who you say is idiotic.

You do come across as an immature hippie. War sucks, killing is wrong, so on and so forth, all true. Now welcome to the real world, where we have had war and killing since we first started as humans. Sure, it would be nice if everyone smoked a doobie and no one showed up to fight. In the real world, it doesn't work that way. I look forward to a day when wars are obsolete, but until then I recognize the sacrifice of those who put on the uniform for what it is.

If you don't like war, work to end it. Live simply so others can simply live, as many wars are over the huge disparities in living standards globally or can be tied to said disparities, and quit calling people idiotic for trying to do their best to improve the world.

What you've said is pretty accurate and I respect your opinion. It wont change my views on soldiers but it's good stuff, nonetheless. Just because there is war and always has been war doesn't mean it can not be changed. I'll admit, you're correct in saying that it probably wont change because it is just human nature to be savage and want power. I have a little bit of hope that it can change and that was the point I was arguing.

Don't worry though, that small bit of hope will vanish in the years to come.

So you're sticking with your view that those who put on the uniform by choice are idiotic? Just checking.

Don't give up hope that we can make war obsolete. We can. It won't happen because no one joins a military. It will happen because we look for ways to bring justice to the world that work. It will happen because we look for ways to simplify our lives so others can have lives. It will happen because we look for better answers than the ones we have. Don't take the low road to peace (name calling, having little hope). It will never get you there. The high road will. It will take lifetimes, but it can happen if people like you and I up our game in dealing with these kinds of challenges.